OT Texas

[ABM]

You’re a world champion shadow boxer. No wonder you’re never able to land an actual “punch”………

Some stuff just ain't worth fightin' over.

 

[Mediocre Man]

My position is that I'm an asshole.

I think the real question is can you alone determine you’re an asshole, or do the courts get to decide

 

[Phatguysrule]

I've come to realize that a certain type of person is not at all interested in solving societal problems, but rather see laws and punishments as a shortcut to distinguishing "bad people" from "good people" (in their mind). They couldn't care less if criminalizing *insert activity* doesn't actually reduce *insert activity*, because the entire point for them is "*insert activity* is bad [in their opinion] so those engaging in *insert activity* ought to be punished for being a bad person." The punishment is the end goal, it does not go further than that.

They might dress up their opinion by saying they actually care about reducing harm, but that shell of faux-utilitarianism cracks at the slightest prod and then you realize all they actually care about is punishing people they don't like.

 

[Orion Bailey]

No. My position removes nobody's right to their own body. Yours does. Not only that, it gives another individual the right to control what somebody else does with their own body.

It's not the same. It's despicable and shows a complete disrespect for every woman. And there is no benefit to society.

So there is no positive side to your proposal. Only misery and pain.

No, your position removes any ability for fatherhood unless a woman allows it.

Your position denies an innocent victim life because a mother cant handle the responsibilities of her actions. complete side step of personal responsibility. Completely despicable and a stance that drives us into a more and more uncaring society where we feel we can do whatever the fuck we want with no repercussion.

Casual sex? Cool. Kill off all unwanted offspring.

Completely moral. Not.


You may want that. I certainly dont. Most people acknowledge we are watching in real time, humans dumb down.
your position enhances thar by removing responsibility from the choices people make.

we shall have to agree to disagree on our moral stances. You can belittle mine all you want but don't think it means a thing. Just like my opinion of yours means nothing either.

whats truly despicable are those who are sooo stubborn they refuse any type of compromise other than a complete subordination of their ideals.

 

[barfo]

There is probably a combination of drugs and medical procedures that could be given to a man that would simulate the pregnancy experience: very distended belly, morning sickness, needing to pee constantly, etc, followed at the end of nine months by an extremely painful procedure that involves lots of bleeding and probably stitches in the nether regions. I think we have the technology to do that. And then we can give the man a baby that he must care for for the next 18 years.

So to make OB's idea fair, if a couple has sex, either party should be able to mandate that the other person go through all that, if they want.

It might cut down on other people having sex, which I suspect is the real underlying goal here.

barfo

 

[RR7]

No, your position removes any ability for fatherhood unless a woman allows it.

Your position denies an innocent victim life because a mother cant handle the responsibilities of her actions.

I asked previously, but if a man wants the baby and the woman does not, who decides?

 

[Orion Bailey]

I asked previously, but if a man wants the baby and the woman does not, who decides?

both. The woman can birth it and then hand it over. They both made a choice to engage in an act that creates life. The father took it serious and is wanting the opportunity of fatherhood and that should be denied because the woman didn't take it serious?
yeah. Thats fair.

 

[RR7]

both. The woman can birth it and then hand it over. They both made a choice to engage in an act that creates life. The father took it serious and is wanting the opportunity of fatherhood and that should be denied because the woman didn't take it serious?
yeah. Thats fair.

LOL, that's not both deciding. That's the man deciding. You feel that men should have ultimate say over what happens with a woman's body, essentially. Fuck that. If the man wants to have a child, he can find someone who shares that view.

 

[Orion Bailey]

LOL, that's not both deciding. That's the man deciding. You feel that men should have ultimate say over what happens with a woman's body, essentially. Fuck that. If the man wants to have a child, he can find someone who shares that view.

If im saying that, then you are saying a woman can decide if im ever to be a father or not. Fuck that too.
See how this non-compromising stance works?

Two consenting adults should discuss prior to having sex and take proper precarioms or end the relationship, if they arent in agreement on what to do if a pregnancy comes to be.

Its called being responsible.

if the woman didnt want a child, she never should have had unprotected sex with someone she didnt previosuly discuss not wanting. Child with.


Its time we hold adults being accountable for their actions.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Gas is $2.89 a gallon.

 

[e_blazer]

Here's an interesting article on the issue of when life begins:

https://slate.com/human-interest/20...-christian-right-the-answer-is-over-time.html

 

[RR7]

If im saying that, then you are saying a woman can decide if im ever to be a father or not. Fuck that too.
See how this non-compromising stance works?

Two consenting adults should discuss prior to having sex and take proper precarioms or end the relationship, if they arent in agreement on what to do if a pregnancy comes to be.

Its called being responsible.

if the woman didnt want a child, she never should have had unprotected sex with someone she didnt previosuly discuss not wanting. Child with.


Its time we hold adults being accountable for their actions.

Until you can figure out how to have kids on your own, then yes, you will absolutely need a woman's consent before becoming a father. Or, you can go and adopt one of the many children needing homes. Tough shit. That's how things work.

Yeah, yeah, it'd be great if everyone was as responsible as you desire, but that's so far from reality that actually expecting it is comical. 2 people hook up and a condom breaks. Man has control over the woman's decision, even though they took proper precautions? People get horny and have sex. They're not pausing for a drawn out discussion before hand.
DOes a woman have to ask her rapist if he wants the child?

It's a clear men should have more say than a woman on what she does with her body stance, and that's fucking disgusting to me.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Until you can figure out how to have kids on your own, then yes, you will absolutely need a woman's consent before becoming a father. Or, you can go and adopt one of the many children needing homes. Tough shit. That's how things work.

Yeah, yeah, it'd be great if everyone was as responsible as you desire, but that's so far from reality that actually expecting it is comical. 2 people hook up and a condom breaks. Man has control over the woman's decision, even though they took proper precautions? People get horny and have sex. They're not pausing for a drawn out discussion before hand.
DOes a woman have to ask her rapist if he wants the child?

It's a clear men should have more say than a woman on what she does with her body stance, and that's fucking disgusting to me.

first. Nonconsensual sex was never part of this discussion. Were talking two consenting adults. Ive said that many times. Your rape question is irrelevant.

its not more say. Its equal say. Equal rights.
Except when its not convenient. I get it.


Listen. I will never vote against abortion, but i can still hold my moral stance that its a copout on responsibility.

 

[RR7]

first. Nonconsensual sex was never part of this discussion. Were talking two consenting adults. Ive said that many times. Your rape question is irrelevant.

its not more say. Its equal say. Equal rights.
Except when its not convenient. I get it.


Listen. I will never vote against abortion, but i can still hold my moral stance that its a copout on responsibility.

Thats not equal say. That's a man making the decision.
If you're in a consensual relationship where neither of you want children, then, can the woman force the man to have a vasectomy? They've both decided they don't want kids, seems fair.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Thats not equal say. That's a man making the decision.
If you're in a consensual relationship where neither of you want children, then, can the woman force the man to have a vasectomy? They've both decided they don't want kids, seems fair.

wby is it forced? This idea that its forced is nonsense.
But a man can consent to a vasectomy if he is fine with that. If the woman wants him to have one and he doesnt? They arent meant for each other. The woman has a choice who she sleeps with and how. To then say they have no rights and its a forced baby, is ridiculous.

ill add that your stance, if more woman stand pat on their decision, it will push men to do as you said. Figure out how to have kin on their own.
Throughout the ages it has always been important to have offspring to continue the family name.
Once they(men) figure out how to do it on their own, what do you think the real womanizers and haters will do? Look to rid women from existence. Theirs stance will be women are now obsolete. Follow that course through. You will have evil men looking to rid the world of the lure of women like never before.

 

[RR7]

wby is it forced? This idea that its forced is nonsense.
But a man can consent to a vasectomy. If the woman want him to have own and he doesnt? They are meant for each other. The woman has a choice who she sleeps woth and how. To then say they have no rights and its forced baby is ridiculous.

ill add that your stance, if more woman stand pat on their decision only to push men to do as you said. Figure out how to have kin on their own.
Throughout the ages it has always been important to have offspring to continue the family name.
Once they figure out how to do it on their own what do you think the real womanizers and haters will do? Look to rid women from existence. Theirs stance will be women are now obsolete. Follow that course through. You will have evil mean looking to rod the world of the lure of women.

I honestly have no idea what any of this says, sorry.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I honestly have no idea what any of this says, sorry.

wow. No need to apologize for me forgetting to proofread. I know better on my phone. Lol.
Please read again. I have fixed many things in that dyslexic rant.

 

[Phatguysrule]

No, your position removes any ability for fatherhood unless a woman allows it.

This is the way it's supposed to be.

Honestly, I can't believe you posted that. Wow.

 

[barfo]

If im saying that, then you are saying a woman can decide if im ever to be a father or not.

No. We are saying that you can't decide to be a father with that particular woman without her agreement. There are other women, and you have more sperm.

If no woman in the world wants to have your baby, then maybe you aren't father material.

Its time we hold adults being accountable for their actions.

Your fixation on making others 'accountable' leads you down some very odd paths.

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

SPERM STEM CELL INSIGHTS BRING RESEARCHERS CLOSER TO INFERTILITY TREATMENT

Apr 12, 2021 11:45 AM

Author: Chris Palmer

A new study led by researchers at University of Utah Health tracing the development of human sperm stem cells to mature sperm cells has yielded the most comprehensive view of this process to date. The results, published in the journal Cell Stem Cell, expand the understanding of human testis development and point to potential treatments for male infertility.

Spermatogenesis—the production of sperm cells—involves the differentiation of spermatogonial stem cells into mature sperm through a complex process. Disruptions to this process are a common cause of male infertility, which affects one in every six couples.

https://uofuhealth.utah.edu/newsroo... production of sperm,one in every six couples.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

SPERM STEM CELL INSIGHTS BRING RESEARCHERS CLOSER TO INFERTILITY TREATMENT

Apr 12, 2021 11:45 AM

Author: Chris Palmer

A new study led by researchers at University of Utah Health tracing the development of human sperm stem cells to mature sperm cells has yielded the most comprehensive view of this process to date. The results, published in the journal Cell Stem Cell, expand the understanding of human testis development and point to potential treatments for male infertility.

Spermatogenesis—the production of sperm cells—involves the differentiation of spermatogonial stem cells into mature sperm through a complex process. Disruptions to this process are a common cause of male infertility, which affects one in every six couples.

https://uofuhealth.utah.edu/newsroom/news/2021/04/spermatogenesis.php#:~:text=Spermatogenesis—the production of sperm,one in every six couples.

Turning stem cells into sperm cells sure could change things.

 

[barfo]

So if I have unprotected sex with a woman and she fails to get pregnant, can I force her to take fertility drugs and sleep with me again?
I mean, she's consented to bear my children by having sex with me, right?

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Costco has this Mayan coffee that is just delightful. Reminds of me the coffee I got in Mexico earlier this year.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Costco has this Mayan coffee that is just delightful. Reminds of me the coffee I got in Mexico earlier this year.

If you drink Mayan coffee you consent to having their children...

Like, feel free to drink it, but you're going to have to be held accountable at some point.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Phatguysrule]

This is why men should control if and when she has babies. Obviously. I mean it's as good of a reason as we've heard thus far...

 

[Orion Bailey]

Lol. Theres that tribal mentality rearing its ugly head because someone doesn't believe what someone else believes. The typical response is to try to belittle and demean and make fun of.
The levels of arrogance of ones opinion being right or factual is beyond gross….


Arrogance is sooo unflattering. Especially when its based on opinions and not facts.
So not worthy of any type of respect or further engagement in any type of rational discussion.

but go one with your know it all selves. Lol.

Must be nice to be so narrow minded to think ones opinion of life is the only opinion of life that should matter. And anyone else with a differing thought should be made fun of.
I mean this is hilarious.


The gall, the hypocrisy. The open and blatant double standard!! lol

i demand equal rights. But fuck any potential father and their desire to be a father.

But yet dead beat dads are bad right? a woman can say i dont want a kid and kill it and the father has no say And its okay. But if a father doesnt want a child he is forced to pay child support if the woman wants the child?

women want to block men from having any say at all? Then don't play any damn deadbeat cards for fathers who dont want to be a dad.!!!!

The fucking double standard here is so obviously gross i really think some people might not be all there.
Cant have it both ways. Women cant complain about deadbeat dads, but do all the time. Where are the people saying that was his choice. He didn't want a child but it was forced on him to pay support for 18years?

oh its because he needs to take responsibility for putting his dick in her? She has no responsibility owed for spreading her legs to invite said dick????


Out of your fing minds with this distorted stance.


i just spoke with my mother and my wife on this topic and they both agreed men should have some say in whether they can be a father or not. If not then women will be the only ones controlling who comes into this world.
So not all women agree on this topic. So for a man to belittle another man for a differing view just shows how shallow some people are…

but go on with your know it all selves. I know its soo much fun to sit on a forum and try to belittle others with differing opinions. Must boost that ego up quite a bit!



Must be that moral superiority complex rearing its head again….



I mean just wow….

 

[ABM]

Costco has this Mayan coffee that is just delightful. Reminds of me the coffee I got in Mexico earlier this year.

My wife turned me on to this. Best coffee I've ever had! When we have guests, most everyone asks about it.

https://lifeboostcoffee.com/

 

[julius]

Sometimes I think we have vampires on this board.

 

[RR7]

I know people run on different schedules, but that level of anger and I don't even know what at 6 AM is astounding.