OT Texas

[Chris Craig]

How is it irrelevant when the baby can't get there without one?

Because it's the woman's body.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I don't think she is interested in discussing abortion with any man because a man's opinion on the matter is irrelevant. Don't take it personal.

but thats where i played devils advocate. Okay if she isnt interested the. Im not interested in her virws. Her views can go fickthemselvws. Shes not gonna conteol my a ility to be a dTher.

see how that works?


When people are willing to work together, regardless of history, then we will not have any improvements.

Man wants woman to allow man to have a say. Rhen woman can make her decision.
Deny man that and man will deny woman that decision. Its bow shit works and if she doesnt loke it then maybe she should ease up on her man hate.
Be ause it just creates mire woman hate


When will we leanr that love is begter than hate?

that compromise is better than lines drawn?

That listening to the opposition will go further than condemning them without allowing them a voice???

i mean isnt that what women and minorities have been fighting for? But mow are fone silencing men in return?


Blatant double standard.

 

[bigbailes]

Please don't put words in my mouth. Obviously I wasn't referring to that part of your statement. Re-read your post where you said ". . . if you don't want to go down that path, then don't have sex, it's as simple as that. Problem solved!"

Let me ask you, why is it so difficult for us to actually want to hold people accountable for their actions then? The solution if you don't want to get pregnant really is a simple one.

 

[RR7]

but thats where i played devils advocate. Okay if she isnt interested the. Im not interested in her virws. Her views can go fickthemselvws. Shes not gonna conteol my a ility to be a dTher.

see how that works?


When people are willing to work together, regardless of history, then we will not have any improvements.

Man wants woman to allow man to have a say. Rhen woman can make her decision.
Deny man that and man will deny woman that decision. Its bow shit works and if she doesnt loke it then maybe she should ease up on her man hate.
Be ause it just creates mire woman hate


When will we leanr that love is begter than hate?

that compromise is better than lines drawn?

That listening to the opposition will go further than condemning them without allowing them a voice???

i mean isnt that what women and minorities have been fighting for? But mow are fone silencing men in return?


Blatant double standard.

It just comes across really arrogant to think that men should have the right to consult with a woman before she makes a choice about HER body, when that sort of thing is not argued for in any other circumstances.
It seems worse when you seemingly justify men making laws that restrict what she can do with her body because she didn't let a man have a say in what she does with her body. Don't want to listen to what I have to say, fine, I take away your rights??! WTF?

 

[Lanny]

Can we please just go back to everyone agreeing that I'm an asshole.

@ABM you can start it off!

That was settled decades ago. But, you've gotta admit, I'm a close second. One slip up by you, just agree with someone nice one time, and the trophy is all mine, baby. I'm that close.

 

[ABM]

I'll say it again, I have absolutely zero, ZERO, problems with people believing whatever it is that they want to believe. The problem is when they try to dictate other people's lives by way of turning their religious beliefs into laws.

If you aren't doing that but believes abortion is immoral, I don't have an issue with you. But it's clear to me @ABM and those of his sorts believe that they have a special relationship to the Almighty and therefore get to lord over the rest of the people who he believes to have nothing because they don't have a relationship with this Almighty dude. You wouldn't give the double birdie (being nice with that still) to such a fucking delusional prick? You're a better man than me, I guess.

Ahem, have you been reading my posts?

 

[tlongII]

read the succession of the thread . Most everything I was said after i was labeled.

I simply plaid the flip side on the “see how that works” post . I never said that was my stance.

If people incorrectly misinterpreted my words then thats on them. Not me. They should have ask for clarification prior to condemning.

just give up. I corrected my mistakes but no one wants to correct theirs.

Bullshit. You are defending bullshit.

Dude, you really got to get a new iPhone. Your phone has the worst auto-correct I’ve ever seen.

 

[Orion Bailey]

What choice? The choice to use contraceptives and still get accidentally pregnant? The choice to get raped? The choice to have health-related reasons for aborting a pregnancy?

There are many other instances where I think the responsible choice is to have an abortion if they know they can't care for it. Do we really need more kids in foster care, in poverty, in families of abuse or mental illness, born from a mother on drugs/alcohol, etc?

go back and read what i posted without cherry picking gotcha moments. Ive addressed rape…

 

[Lanny]

Ahem, have you been reading my posts?

Me? I have strong beliefs in the holy Trinity but I'm not pushy. Why am I not pushy? Because it's counterproductive. So, my relationship with the Lord is largely private unless asked. Last, I believe God is a God of love above all else.

 

[tlongII]

What's your opinion on white rice?

It’s okay I guess. I like fried rice with some veggies and pork though.

 

[noknobs]

go back and read what i posted without cherry picking gotcha moments. Ive addressed rape…

Yeah I've seen you address rape. I'm addressing your comment that unborn embryos have no choice against "humans who already had a choice". My point is that there are TONS of reasons as to why a woman may choose to have an abortion and some are necessary, some are understandable, some are responsible. It's not possible to try to pick merely a few exceptions to the rule of no abortions (such as rape). Every situation is different. To me the answer is therefore obvious, it should simply be the woman's right to choose.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I'll say it again, I have absolutely zero, ZERO, problems with people believing whatever it is that they want to believe. The problem is when they try to dictate other people's lives by way of turning their religious beliefs into laws.

If you aren't doing that but believes abortion is immoral, I don't have an issue with you. But it's clear to me @ABM and those of his sorts believe that they have a special relationship to the Almighty and therefore get to lord over the rest of the people who he believes to have nothing because they don't have a relationship with this Almighty dude. You wouldn't give the double birdie (being nice with that still) to such a fucking delusional prick? You're a better man than me, I guess.

He has said he is more for education than laws these days.

i believe people should be given room to grow. Spiritually, physically, mentally.

Instead of giving him the bird id sit down and discuss with him what i do and dont agree with and see if i cant change his mind. But i wont tell him he cant believe what he wants to believe, just that i think its wrong to force that belief on others.
Im not going to belittle him for his beliefs though because regardless if God or an alien told him he is within his rights to believe abortions are bad.

closed ear walls do not usually improve things. Open discussions with open minds usually do improve things.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The irony of that last sentence is RIPE when no one in here wants to discuss the personal responsibilities of both man and woman that got them into this situation. It doesn't take a genius to know how a baby is made, if you don't want to go down that path, then don't have sex, it's as simple as that. Problem solved!

The irony was the point... And no. Your suggestion doesn't solve the problem at all

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yeah I've seen you address rape. I'm addressing your comment that unborn embryos have no choice against "humans who already had a choice". My point is that there are TONS of reasons as to why a woman may choose to have an abortion and some are necessary, some are understandable, some are responsible. It's not possible to try to pick merely a few exceptions to the rule of no abortions (such as rape). Every situation is different. To me the answer is therefore obvious, it should simply be the woman's right to choose.

why cant we?

we do it with murder? First degree, second degree, homicide, manslaughter, etc

thats just taking the easy way out.
Its hard to details specific situations so lets just go universal.
Oookay…

movin in now…

 

[Orion Bailey]

Dude, you really got to get a new iPhone. Your phone has the worst auto-correct I’ve ever seen.

its my callused finger. Lol. I pish on words needing corrected and the damn curser selects the whole page. Crap like that.
Im tryin though! Lol.

 

[ABM]

Really?! I made the team?!?! Looks like I got selected first, too!


Still reading through. Not expecting much.

Uh huh.

 

[ABM]

What's your opinion on white rice?


And, who better in deciding what's the best choice for the pregnant woman than you, right?

Again, read my recent posts. Geez, already.

 

[Lanny]

It’s okay I guess. I like fried rice with some veggies and pork though.

All Asians like sticky white rice including me. Fried rice is also good but I prefer beef. I like mostly vegetables with my Asian food. I especially like pea pods, tomatoes, green bell pepper, soy bean sprouts, baby bok choi, water chestnuts, celery and sometimes pineapple all in an Asian sauce. I love soy sauce with my veggies on top of the rice. A couple of the meats I enjoy are BBQ pork with lots of Chinese mustard and sweet and sour sauce and crispy Sesame Beef.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Crackhead mother wants abortion. Stable father wants to raise the baby. Does crackhead mother still have the only say?
This is the type of situation that becomes grayer for me. There is a point that can be where the womans choice for abortion is wrong and she doesnt. Know it because shes a coke fiend.
No he cant force her to have it but fuck that crackhead mother and her poor choices. Wont support her and her decisions one bit.
So to me it isn't black and white and one answer fits all.


People may disagree with me but don't belittle me. The moment you do that, all bets are off and one better expect it back tenfold.

There is no right or wrong in beliefs. Only when we try to enforce them on others.

so anyone who wants to insult me for caring about the new life along with the parents involved, can go fuck themselves.

 

[Lanny]

Are we through with this?
It's starting to get monotonous.

 

[Phatguysrule]

show me where i said id vote for stricter laws.

your wrong… again.

When did I say anything about you voting for anything?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Don't think it's an opinion that men and women having vaginal sex can and will lead to pregnancy. Pretty sure that's the most concrete fact anyone in here has shared. I never said self control is easy, in fact a lot of the time it's very difficult, but if you aren't willing to exercise that control, be willing to deal with your consequences. The concept of self control is easy, the practicing of it can be anything BUT easy..

And data and history shows that relying on that is horrible public policy.

 

[ABM]

Are we through with this?
It's starting to get monotonous.

That's only because you're monophobic.

 

[Lanny]

Would you guys please knock it off. You've all vehemently made your points and no one is budging. Time to move on to something productive.

 

[Orion Bailey]

In this sequence you supported stricter laws (restricting women's rights) and minimized the suffering of women before she said anything.

According to your timeline above, you got what you deserved.

Actions have consequences.

When did I say anything about you voting for anything?

ohh so you mean you can say support but not mean vote, but i cant say have a say, lbut not mean enforce???


Good by with your double standards.
Were done man.

 

[noknobs]

why cant we?

we do it with murder? First degree, second degree, homicide, manslaughter, etc

thats just taking the easy way out.
Its hard to details specific situations so lets just go universal.
Oookay…

movin in now…

A very poor analogy. But I guess you've taken the easy way out and moved on (again).

 

[Lanny]

They seem to care quite strongly about certain liberals brilliant idea of ‘post term’ abortions.

What is a post term abortion?

 

[Lanny]

I'd like to shift the conversation to what an asshole Sly is. Of course, that would give his race for the trophy a boost over my race. Let's discuss that.

 

[Orion Bailey]

A very poor analogy. But I guess you've taken the easy way out and moved on (again).

its not a poor anLogy. Murder is broken down into specifics. So can abortions be broken down.
Easy way out wtf?? Lol got a mirror or ? Take a hard look..
. Just takes some pause and thought to see you CAN break abortions down to categories. Fucking simple.
Rape Abortions
Insestual abortions
Underage abortions
Both party consentual abortions
One party abortion
Single parent abortion
Health risk to mother abortions
Etc
Etc
Etc

give me a fucking break im taking the easy way? ???

Why do you bother? You haven't shown any ability to have a mature conversation only pointing fingers based on partial knowledge.

Your post can fuck off like most of the others where the ONLY time you've addressed me is to ridicule me instead of ask me to clarify or anything else.
Done with you too.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

What's your opinion on white rice?

It's healthier for you before it's been milled down from brown rice (but tastes better after milling)!