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[tlongII]

OB probably has a point but many of his posts are too long. I ain’t gonna read all that!

 

[Chris Craig]

Abortion is a contentious topic.

The combativeness centers around power and choice

Around religious and moral objective

It's a hard conversation to have considering there isn't one to really have

In the end it's a women's right to choose


I get that ABM doesn't think it's right because GOD in his view condemns that. Religiously it seems he is inclined to be against abortion. I get that others share this belief.

I get that OB would like men to have a voice in whether to have the baby or not. If a man and a woman are in a relationship she will likely talk to him about it, if he is lucky. But, man has no choice in the matter because it's not his to make regardless of his desire or feeling on the matter. And OB did says this. The conflation in the matter is confusing having a choice in the matter and an opinion.

I get the moral imperative.

I get Crandc's ire at these points of view, especially with men in Texas and other places trying to make laws to control women's bodies. It's not just an argument or conversation for her. It's a fight for the rights to her own body, a war she and other women should not have to engage in but are being forced to.

If women tried to create laws to control men's bodies it would go over like a turd in a punchbowl. So, why should men be compelled to think it should go well vice versa.

These religious and moral imperatives that men have rooted themselves to in an attempt to have a stake in a conversation that was never theirs to have are moot.

It is a women's body and it is a women's choice regardless.

We can all argue. We can call each other names and hurl insults. But, it's not going to get anywhere. The fact is we could keep going and give the Melo thread a run for its money in size or we can agree to disagree.

 

[julius]

OB probably has a point but many of his posts are too long. I ain’t gonna read all that!

U R ryt.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Abortion is a contentious topic.

The combativeness centers around power and choice

Around religious and moral objective

It's a hard conversation to have considering there isn't one to really have

In the end it's a women's right to choose


I get that ABM doesn't think it's right because GOD in his view condemns that. Religiously it seems he is inclined to be against abortion. I get that others share this belief.

I get that OB would like men to have a voice in whether to have the baby or not. If a man and a woman are in a relationship she will likely talk to him about it, if he is lucky. But, man has no choice in the matter because it's not his to make regardless of his desire or feeling on the matter. And OB did says this. The conflation in the matter is confusing having a choice in the matter and an opinion.

I get the moral imperative.

I get Crandc's ire at these points of view, especially with men in Texas and other places trying to make laws to control women's bodies. It's not just an argument or conversation for her. It's a fight for the rights to her own body, a war she and other women should not have to engage in but are being forced to.

If women tried to create laws to control men's bodies it would go over like a turd in a punchbowl. So, why should men be compelled to think it should go well vice versa.

These religious and moral imperatives that men have rooted themselves to in an attempt to have a stake in a conversation that was never theirs to have are moot.

It is a women's body and it is a women's choice regardless.

We can all argue. We can call each other names and hurl insults. But, it's not going to get anywhere. The fact is we could keep going and give the Melo thread a run for its money in size or we can agree to disagree.

Incredibly well said. Except Crandc cannot agree to disagree. My daughters cannot agree to disagree. They'll have to fight for themselves if we are unwilling to stand up for them on all fronts.

Any movement to remove or further restrict their rights to their own body is despicable. History has shown that there can be no societal benefit from that kind of legislation, so society should keep it's nose out of it. Anything more strict than the combined results of Roe v Wade and Planned Parenthood v Casey should not even be considered.

And people who would move to restrict those rights, or support those who would need to hear how despicable and unproductive such laws are. Crandc has every right to respond the way she did. When people will not listen to logic, reason, or evidence there is no alternative than to fight for your rights.

If we want to offer women an alternative to abortion, like harvesting and freezing the embryo, I'd be fine with that. Heck, I'd even be fine with it if we wanted to pay them for that hassle. Though that opens up a whole new can of worms...

 

[tlongII]

I would like to clone myself. We need more me in the world.

 

[andalusian]

I’m called to invoke the power of the true creator of the universe, the drunken tolerator of all lesser and more recent gods, and maintainer of gravity here on earth, May the great Flying Spaghetti Monster rouse himself from his stupor and let his noodly appendages ground each member of this distinguished forum in his cellar.

The Church of our Durum savior position is that life starts before conception (somewhere around the point of seeing the boobs), and that sperms – as potential humans if allowed to develop – deserve the same protections as fetuses and fully grown people. Anyone who harms sperms is guilty of murder, including pushers of hot water Jacuzzi’s and tight-fitting underwears. We are all equal in the eyes of the LORD as declared by both Ragustarians and Pregostarians and even those wierdos that support Amy's natural sauce.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I would like to clone myself. We need more me in the world.

that would be true....

IF you were the person in your avatar.

FAMS!

 

[Chris Craig]

Incredibly well said. Except Crandc cannot agree to disagree. My daughters cannot agree to disagree. They'll have to fight for themselves if we are unwilling to stand up for them on all fronts.

Any movement to remove or further restrict their rights to their own body is despicable. History has shown that there can be no societal benefit from that kind of legislation, so society should keep it's nose out of it. Anything more strict than the combined results of Roe v Wade and Planned Parenthood v Casey should not even be considered.

And people who would move to restrict those rights, or support those who would need to hear how despicable and unproductive such laws are. Crandc has every right to respond the way she did. When people will not listen to logic, reason, or evidence there is no alternative than to fight for your rights.

If we want to offer women an alternative to abortion, like harvesting and freezing the embryo, I'd be fine with that. Heck, I'd even be fine with it if we wanted to pay them for that hassle. Though that opens up a whole new can of worms...

True.

And, I was going to include that in my post as an addendum after I had written the agree to disagree part.

Like I said for women it's not a conversation or argument it's a fight and it's not a fight they started.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You can start a petition to try to get a bill passed to enact heterosexual marriage illegal.

So technically, if you wanted, you can vote on any marriage as well. I thought I read an article that said there was a county that outlawed all marriage if they were going to outlaw gay marriage?

is it okay to feel a flipside though? Is it so wrong for straight people to feel the same on the reverse? And if so is it that off base to think that some of those feel the lgbtq movement is indeed pushing it down their throat?

Please dont get me wrong Crandc, when i say i have no issue with fair rights and choices. No one should be treated differently for thier companionship preference within consenting adults.
But i have had several occasions first hamd where a blatant flaunting of ones preference was fairly offending to me. Like once when i was standing in line at a club and a gay man came up and grab my ass Nd said I'm fine as they continued to walk by while looking back with a smile.
Offended in a wtf? Way. Not like, he needed to die way.

anyhow. I sometimes wonder if some peoples pushback of the lgbtq movement is because they feel it is being shoved down thier throats?

im not saying i agree with anything other than just trying to shine light on another potential angle as to the reasoning behind some peoples stance and/or opinion.

I know the instance i had, along with a couple other smaller ones, had left me feeling like if anyone is pushing themselves on anyone, its them who have pushed on me.

I guess my point is i think there is a large number of people who dont care who sleeps with who, but dont want to hear about if just the same and some feel its all gay this and gay that And get annoyed by it.
They don't care one way or a other and frankly don't want to hear about it because they already believe in equal rights for all?

I say this without full knowledge of all laws in all states but as far a i know, straight people do not have anymore rights than gay people? Gay people can vote, run for office, hold high level positions in government, etc.




FTFY!

Incredibly well said. Except Crandc cannot agree to disagree. My daughters cannot agree to disagree. They'll have to fight for themselves if we are unwilling to stand up for them on all fronts.

Any movement to remove or further restrict their rights to their own body is despicable. History has shown that there can be no societal benefit from that kind of legislation, so society should keep it's nose out of it. Anything more strict than the combined results of Roe v Wade and Planned Parenthood v Casey should not even be considered.

And people who would move to restrict those rights, or support those who would need to hear how despicable and unproductive such laws are. Crandc has every right to respond the way she did. When people will not listen to logic, reason, or evidence there is no alternative than to fight for your rights.

If we want to offer women an alternative to abortion, like harvesting and freezing the embryo, I'd be fine with that. Heck, I'd even be fine with it if we wanted to pay them for that hassle. Though that opens up a whole new can of worms...

bull shit. Read My first two posts to her above. One was a just pointing out she has the right to petition against straight marriage. Now read the second and what i bolded.
She had no right to turn on me and claim i think of women as meat a meat sack and tell me to fuck off.
I mean really…



ill so lastly say just because a man believe abortion is bad and should be illegal doesnt make them think of women as a meat sack.
It soesnt mean the person doesnt respect women

im 99% sure if men had babies @ABM woudl still be agaisnt abortion and oush for it legally.
So it has nothing to do with thinking less of women. It may have to do with limiting thier rights but it doesnt mean the person thinks less of women and that narrative really pissed me off.

If men had babies, id still be against abortion. But wouldn't enforce laws about it.
Does that mean im not for mens right or im a man hater?


This is the logic that got me going.

its wrong. Period.
Its despicable to think otherwise.


Just because someone is legally against abortion doesn't equate to them thinking less of women. Thats just a bullshit, limited stance.

 

[Phatguysrule]

bull shit. Read My first two posts to her above. One was a just pointing out she has the right to petition against straight marriage. Now read the second and what i bolded.
She had no right to turn on me and claim i think of women as meat a meat sack and tell me to fuck off.
I mean really…



ill so lastly say just because a man believe abortion is bad and should be illegal doesnt make them think of women as a meat sack.
It soesnt mean the person doesnt respect women

im 99% sure if men had babies @ABM woudl still be agaisnt abortion and oush for it legally.
So it has nothing to do with thinking less of women. It may have to do with limiting thier rights but it doesnt mean the person thinks less of women and that narrative really pissed me off.

If men had babies, id still be against abortion. But wouldn't enforce laws about it.
Does that mean im not for mens right or im a man hater?


This is the logic that got me going.

its wrong. Period.
Its despicable to think otherwise.


Just because someone is legally against abortion doesn't equate to them thinking less of women. Thats just a bullshit, limited stance.

Here you are below claiming women are wrong to not think men have rights to protect the pregnancy.

I love how a woman requires a man to create life within her body, but once conception has happened, man has no say or rights to the marriage of cells he partook in in the eyes of some women. We are just a meat stick to help them have offspring. we have no say in the development of the offspring.

if men had babies instead of women, would women's maternal instinct be denied and would society accept that?

i doubt it….

So why some women believe men have no rights to protect the embryo they helped create, is beyond me.
One baby cant grow in both parents body. Just because one carries the growing fetus does not mean the other has no say or rights to the shared creation of said fetus.

Again, stating that if she has sex, men get a "say". Looks like you're using "say" in place of "right" to me. That's how I interpreted it, and I would be surprised if others did not. This is very offensive language.

bullshit. If she didnt want us to have a say then she should have never accepted our penis in her.
See how that works?

Here you are below actually advocating for tougher laws in a post which is discussing abortion...

so children who are adopted are worse off than if they were killed as an embryo?

sorry. Not buying your opinion.

in my opinion it takes getting down to the roots.
If people. Ant accept the responsibility that can come with having casual, unprotected sex, then they shouldnt do it.
Im tired of us as a society trying to make it easier for people to not be responsible for there actions.

One of the biggest most important things in life is to create life. Im not buying into any moral compass that tries to minimize thst responsibility.

in your scenario we turn into idiocracy.
Im not for that. And if it requires stiffer laws and penalties to avoid that future, so be it.

Here you are minimizing the suffering women have to go through during pregnancy, then appearing to disregard the statistics and trends which have shown that strict abortion laws are harmful to society and individuals.

nine months of suffering is a drop in the bucket of the years of life she is denying the embryo. Short term selfishness.
Torture?

in todays modern medicine to incubate an unwanted baby for nine months to allow it to be adopted is far from torture unless the mother chooses to make it so. Humiliation? Please. A woman maintaining the life would be a hero. Putting aside her personal wants to help another life have a chance is not humilIating. Its heroism.

not buying the dramatic downsides you are portraying.

all choices come with responsibility.
Im not for making it easier to avoid these responsibilities.

over the long term it will curve in the right direction regardless of the short term messes created by those who choose not to accept the responsibility and coat hanger it up.

You made a lot of incredibly insensitive posts while disregarding logical and data based counterpoints. I think the responses you got were actually very fair.

 

[ABM]

Abortion is a contentious topic.

In the end it's a women's right to choose.

I get that. I'm getting less and less interested in the political elements of all of this and more and more interested in supporting educational efforts, as well as adoption homes.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Here you are below claiming women are wrong to not think men have rights to protect the pregnancy.



Again, stating that if she has sex, men get a "say". Looks like you're using "say" in place of "right" to me. That's how I interpreted it, and I would be surprised if others did not. This is very offensive language.



Here you are below actually advocating for tougher laws in a post which is discussing abortion...



Here you are minimizing the suffering women have to go through during pregnancy, then appearing to disregard the statistics and trends which have shown that strict abortion laws are harmful to society and individuals.



You made a lot of incredibly insensitive posts while disregarding logical and data based counterpoints. I think the responses you got were actually very fair.

read the succession of the thread . Most everything I was said after i was labeled.

I simply plaid the flip side on the “see how that works” post . I never said that was my stance.

If people incorrectly misinterpreted my words then thats on them. Not me. They should have ask for clarification prior to condemning.

just give up. I corrected my mistakes but no one wants to correct theirs.

Bullshit. You are defending bullshit.

 

[ABM]

Go back and read my initial comment amd engagement with crand on this topic not sure i could have been any nicer?
For someone so vocal about bow much she cant stande being judged for who she is was super quick to judge me and tel me to go fuck myself without even engaging im the conversation with me Nd just assuming things without My benefit of the doubt to my kindness towards her in the past.


Yall gonna be soo fucking quick to judge and condemn, its not gonna go over well when i know where my moral stance is and its high enough to repect women enough to maintain their own choice but also high enough that i believe that we should do everything we can to avoid abortions ( without creating laws) because they are not moral in thier own right.

i just need to remind myself to not post anything that might be of a different stance around here because around here some people are on here day and night waiting for that next moment to play “gotcha” see im morally superior to you, your a lesser person than me!

its a new day. Yall cancontinue to belittle me and make excuses and blame me for your quick and hasty conclusions.
Im done defending myself.
Ill let some of you now claim me as playing victim instead of looking at your own flaws with regard to hasty condemnations…

have at….

Let's crack a beer and talk about it....

 

[Chris Craig]

I get that. I'm getting less and less interested in the political elements of all of this and more and more interested in supporting educational efforts, as well as adoption homes.

The thing is at its root politics have nothing to do with a women's choice. Politics only have come into hand because of the interference of men who wish to thwart that choice

 

[Orion Bailey]

We are up waaayyy too early.


so basically, some living things matter and some dont?

Techinically the mother IS an incubator. No one is saying ONLY an incubator. But the reality is a chicken has its own life, growing and developing inside an uncracked shell. But its still living and growing, but needs the right environment. Just because the egg and shell are outside of the mother chickens body instead of inside, does not matter to the developing life in the egg, other than relying on the environment to keep it nourished and warm.

so if women laid eggs, Would you think it okay for the woman to crush said eggs in her nest?

I love how a woman requires a man to create life within her body, but once conception has happened, man has no say or rights to the marriage of cells he partook in in the eyes of some women. We are just a meat stick to help them have offspring. we have no say in the development of the offspring.

if men had babies instead of women, would women's maternal instinct be denied and would society accept that?

i doubt it….

So why some women believe men have no rights to protect the embryo they helped create, is beyond me.
One baby cant grow in both parents body. Just because one carries the growing fetus does not mean the other has no say or rights to the shared creation of said fetus.

whole heartedly disagree. Not the best solution. The best solution is for the mother to make a decision WITH the father, (unless it was a forced pregnancy, rape,etc) and everyone else to butt the F out of thier decision.
This ideal that it should be her choice and her choice alone i think is reverse bigotry against men.
All for it being a personal choice and the government has no say. But it isnt just the mothers choice, in my opinion. The father should have equal say(provided it was an up and up relationship resulting in a child, regardless if that relationship maintains or not).

A Father should have the equal right to have a say in his child growing in the mothers body.

For all things to become equal, thats the best solution.

woildnt the moral thing to do would be to accept the obligation of the responsibility took upon ones self to have unprotected sex?

to not destroy it but offer an opportunity and if the mother feels she cant or doesnt want to provide that, she should at least birth the child and then give it up for adoption so a loving couple can raise the infant properly?

isnt it immoral to accept such a responsibility to engage in actions that can create life and the. Just destroy such creation?

talk about moral. The moral thing to do is to realize the seriousness and long term ramifications of casual sex and take on the resulting effects.

i think it is hard for some to accept that ones moral gauge may not be the same as others. I, for one, disagree with tour moral line. Does that make me right? No. Does it make you right? No.
Morality is in the eye of the beholder and to state morals as a fact or right or wrong is extremely narrow minded.
Your opinion is you established life doesn't start at conception, which goes against many studies. So your opinion is not the only moral gauge we should hold our own standards too and is. Ot any type of Fact that should be a clear line of right and wrong.
Sorry.

How about holding individuals accountable for their actions instead of giving passes all the time??

says you.
My opinion is you are wrong. It wasnt a gift. It was a joining of two people who agreed to partake in actions that can create life. What the hell. A gift? Lol.

If thats the case then woman gift man the vagina. So we own the vagina and all that comes with it, the moment she gave it to us to stick our meat stick in it.

Gift… lol.

bullshit. If she didnt want us to have a say then she should have never accepted our penis in her.
See how that works?

so children who are adopted are worse off than if they were killed as an embryo?

sorry. Not buying your opinion.

in my opinion it takes getting down to the roots.
If people. Ant accept the responsibility that can come with having casual, unprotected sex, then they shouldnt do it.
Im tired of us as a society trying to make it easier for people to not be responsible for there actions.

One of the biggest most important things in life is to create life. Im not buying into any moral compass that tries to minimize thst responsibility.

in your scenario we turn into idiocracy.
Im not for that. And if it requires stiffer laws and penalties to avoid that future, so be it.

nine months of suffering is a drop in the bucket of the years of life she is denying the embryo. Short term selfishness.
Torture?

in todays modern medicine to incubate an unwanted baby for nine months to allow it to be adopted is far from torture unless the mother chooses to make it so. Humiliation? Please. A woman maintaining the life would be a hero. Putting aside her personal wants to help another life have a chance is not humilIating. Its heroism.

not buying the dramatic downsides you are portraying.

all choices come with responsibility.
Im not for making it easier to avoid these responsibilities.

over the long term it will curve in the right direction regardless of the short term messes created by those who choose not to accept the responsibility and coat hanger it up.

Bullshit. Absolute fucking misogynist bullshit.
Women in relationships usually do consult with partners. Teens usually consult with parents. But sometimes they can't. This shit about male has equal rights means giving him absolute veto power. Because if they disagree?
There are no hundreds of studies saying fertilized eggs are really people.
Just a couple of men hating the idea that a woman might make a decision without deferring to their claimed superior knowledge because having a dick makes them experts in everything, especially pregnancy.
Abortion laws are not about protecting "life", they are about punishing women. Trivializing women.

i dont get a vote on tour body. I get a vote on the future of the growing life i helped create that is in your body.
I say this only as the person who helped make the child.
Im all for both parents having to accept an aboetion and if they do, then it sbould be allowed. But if the father(not the government) doesn't consent the. He sboild be allowed the opportunity to raise the child the mother doesnt want.
How elsecwill men wver have children?


Sorry. My opinion is you aRe wrong in thinking you have sole decision making of the life you HELPED to create.
If you dont want it? Fine. But if the father does, women have an obligation to allow him that chance at fatherhood the moment they consented to letting him stick his penis in her.
Cant have it both ways. Sorry.
So my cote would be both parents must consent.
Im not for government control saying its right or wrong.

Man can have a very evil side. deny man the equal opportunity to raise a child and man will figure out a way to remove women from the equation. As sad as that would be.

Women who are forced to carry pregnancy against their will have significantly higher rates of depression and substance abuse, are more likely to be poor, much less likely to complete education. Women who choose to carry pregnancy do not suffer these effects. Problem isn't baby, problem is taking away all choice and forcing woman to have child she doesn't want.

a man who was wanting a child who is denied that opportunity from the consenting partner can also have these things happen. Depression, drug abuse, etc.


its as if you think men have no emotions…

Position is clear. Orion Bailey thinks men must be allowed to force woman to carry pregnancy. Because a woman isn't a human. Just a hole to stick it in.

Here you are below claiming women are wrong to not think men have rights to protect the pregnancy.



Again, stating that if she has sex, men get a "say". Looks like you're using "say" in place of "right" to me. That's how I interpreted it, and I would be surprised if others did not. This is very offensive language.



Here you are below actually advocating for tougher laws in a post which is discussing abortion...



Here you are minimizing the suffering women have to go through during pregnancy, then appearing to disregard the statistics and trends which have shown that strict abortion laws are harmful to society and individuals.



You made a lot of incredibly insensitive posts while disregarding logical and data based counterpoints. I think the responses you got were actually very fair.

here is the sequence. I ask questions. I provided other angles others might have. I never ones said im for forcing anything. I said in my opinion it should be this way or that way.
I never said the government or i should forced anything on her or any woman.

not until that last post by crand did i drop to the same immature level.
Context and timeframes matter…..

 

[ABM]

The thing is at its root politics have nothing to do with a women's choice. Politics only have come into hand because of the interference of men who wish to thwart that choice

They have everything to do with laws concerning it. As I mentioned, I'll be focusing my efforts on a fence at the top of the mountain, as opposed to a hospital at the bottom of it.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Orion Bailey]

The thing is at its root politics have nothing to do with a women's choice. Politics only have come into hand because of the interference of men who wish to thwart that choice

the problem is why men wish to thwart the choice. Is it bad to think that an unborn embryo that has no choice should be protected against humans who already had a choice? Why does any man against abortion automatically equate to them wanting to hold women back?
Thats a bullshit narrative.

its an opinion of belief. It has nothing to do with thinking less or trying to suppress women.
Again m if men had babies id be against abortion.
This narrative that people Agaisnt abortion are against womens rights and equality is not accurate and frankly ridiculous in most cases in my opinion.
I love my sister. She almost had an abortion. I wouldn't have tried to stop her but i certainly told her how i felt, it was wrong. She listened to what i said and had the child and he is now 11 years old and i asked her about it last year. She is soooo happy she isn't have an abortion.


It isn't as black and white as some people like to mKe it out to be.

 

[RR7]

here is the sequence. I ask questions. I provided other angles others might have. I never ones said im for forcing anything. I said in my opinion it should be this way or that way.
I never said the government or i should forced anything on her or any woman.

not until that last post by crand did i drop to the same immature level.
Context and timeframes matter…..

But if you present an opinion that men's rights are being ignored, and that they should have a say, an equal say, in the pregnancy, that is "forcing" something on the woman.

 

[Chris Craig]

bull shit. Read My first two posts to her above. One was a just pointing out she has the right to petition against straight marriage. Now read the second and what i bolded.
She had no right to turn on me and claim i think of women as meat a meat sack and tell me to fuck off.
I mean really…



ill so lastly say just because a man believe abortion is bad and should be illegal doesnt make them think of women as a meat sack.
It soesnt mean the person doesnt respect women

im 99% sure if men had babies @ABM woudl still be agaisnt abortion and oush for it legally.
So it has nothing to do with thinking less of women. It may have to do with limiting thier rights but it doesnt mean the person thinks less of women and that narrative really pissed me off.

If men had babies, id still be against abortion. But wouldn't enforce laws about it.
Does that mean im not for mens right or im a man hater?


This is the logic that got me going.

its wrong. Period.
Its despicable to think otherwise.


Just because someone is legally against abortion doesn't equate to them thinking less of women. Thats just a bullshit, limited stance.

The point is your opinion, my opinion, the opinion of men in this matter are irrelevant because a woman's body is a woman's choice.

You were hurt by what crandc said. OK. As a women she is angry and she should be. Not at you directly, but at men in general who continue to question a woman's right to her body.

Anyone who says they are against abortion is going to get lumped into that anger because they aren't seeing the bigger picture.

I don't like that women find themselves in a position to have to abort their baby. I think it should be a last resort. Give the baby up for adoption if it will be born healthy. I understand abortions in the case of rape or defects. But, guess what my opinion doesn't matter because it's not my choice. I don't take that personally.

Crandc could be angry at me for my opinions on the matter. She would be welcome too. It is her place to protect the right to her body and fight against any thought that goes against that. She has a right to take it personally.

If men were the ones that had babies, abortion would be legal everywhere and it would probably occur a lot more.

 

[Chris Craig]

the problem is why men wish to thwart the choice. Is it bad to think that an unborn embryo that has no choice should be protected against humans who already had a choice? Why does any man against abortion automatically equate to them wanting to hold women back?
Thats a bullshit narrative.

its an opinion of belief. It has nothing to do with thinking less or trying to suppress women.
Again m if men had babies id be against abortion.
This narrative that people Agaisnt abortion are against womens rights and equality is not accurate and frankly ridiculous in most cases in my opinion.
I love my sister. She almost had an abortion. I wouldn't have tried to stop her but i certainly told her how i felt, it was wrong. She listened to what i said and had the child and he is now 11 years old and i asked her about it last year. She is soooo happy she isn't have an abortion.


It isn't as black and white as some people like to mKe it out to be.

When this country started women were the property of men. They have had to fight hundreds of years for equal rights. You wonder why there is such a fuss when one of their greatest rights is being threatened. An inalienable right by the way.

 

[Chris Craig]

They have everything to do with laws concerning it. As I mentioned, I'll be focusing my efforts on a fence at the top of the mountain, as opposed to a hospital at the bottom of it.

Laws created by men.

 

[ABM]

Laws created by men.

Yes, and?

 

[ehizzy3]

I like turtles

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I like turtles

Damn, FAMS!

I usually spring into action and get on these kinda threads drag on. You beat me to it.

 

[ABM]

I like turtles

I gotta ya there....

 

[Phatguysrule]

read the succession of the thread . Most everything I was said after i was labeled.

I simply plaid the flip side on the “see how that works” post . I never said that was my stance.

If people incorrectly misinterpreted my words then thats on them. Not me. They should have ask for clarification prior to condemning.

just give up. I corrected my mistakes but no one wants to correct theirs.

Bullshit. You are defending bullshit.

I don't think so. Most of that is what Crandc responded to. Look at the time stamps.

Her being offended is well within reason to me. And those statements deserve to be called out.

You supported stricter abortion laws and minimized the suffering of pregnant women before she said anything about you.

You may not think that's a big deal, but I do.

 

[ABM]

....my opinion doesn't matter because it's not my choice. I don't take that personally.

I believe when choices are involved, opinions do matter. It's certainly one reason I advocate for more education on the subject. Just because abortion is available, doesn't necessarily mean it's the best choice.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I believe when choices are involved, opinions do matter. One reason I advocate for more education on the subject. Just because abortion is available, doesn't necessarily mean it's the best choice.

I believe in more education for everyone across most subjects. Why?

Well, look at the state of our country. So much lack of education, so much mis-education.

Pretty generic statement, I know. But I stand behind it.

 

[Chris Craig]

Yes, and?

We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. —George Orwell, 1984

Power does not corrupt. Fear corrupts. Perhaps the fear of a loss of power. —John Steinbeck