OT Texas

[Phatguysrule]

you are targeting the wrong type of person. I made it clear I'm my first couple of posts i wont vote my personal view to make abortion illegal even though i think abortion is a copout at times.

and btw you wont get the right target to budge at all using your vinegar. Try sugar. It tends to work better.

Im gonna go fuck myself now though for being such a despicable person…

Sigh... So typical...

 

[RR7]

you asked who gets to make the choice if they disagree. I answered that. She does. The law already says so and i have said numerous times im not in favor of any law forcing her to a certain decision…

so i did actually answer your question. Maybe not to your satisfAction, but i did in fact, answer it. … but whatever.


I already showed you how @Phatguysrule told me the discussion was about the law. And now you are telling me it isnt??

again man. Make up your mind. Talk about moving goalposts…..

You didn't answer that she gets to to me. You stated both.

My discussion wasn't about law but your perceived beliefs. A different part of the discussion was about law. 2 things can happen at the same time.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You didn't answer that she gets to to me. You stated both.

My discussion wasn't about law but your perceived beliefs. A different part of the discussion was about law. 2 things can happen at the same time.

exactly. So you agree with me when i said i can be against a law but also personally against abortions and that i can discuss both sides. it doesn't have to be one or the other.
Cool.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Where is this rule book about strict lanes we must stay in regarding one specific portion of abortion being discussed?

You don't understand how when you start defending a position people may assume you are for that position?

It is absolutely despicable to advocate that anybody besides a woman dictate if she should carry a pregnancy to term. You can feel however you want about women who get abortions or make poor decisions. You can advocate for policies which reduce these circumstances. There are policies that have been shown to do this. Like expanded access to Healthcare and increased education.

But to maintain an insistence that anybody has as much say in a woman's reproductive decisions as the woman herself (which could only happen with government intervention), even after being shown how damaging such policies are to women and society in general) is absolutely maddening.

It then becomes obvious that it's either an ignorant or bigoted position. At which point you flip the script and act like people are personally attacking you.

We're not. We're saying that you are supporting an ignorant and bigoted position. The things you are advocating for are despicable because the result of instituting policies which would enforce those positions result in greater pain and suffering, with no benefit to anybody.

If you don't want to be perceived that way you should examine that position more closely.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Sigh... So typical...

damn straight typical and steadfast in my stance that personal opinions shouldn't be belittled or berated. Typical of some people to do just that over and over. And your right. It all deserves a big
sigh…..

 

[Orion Bailey]

You don't understand how when you start defending a position people may assume you are for that position?

It is absolutely despicable to advocate that anybody besides a woman dictate if she should carry a pregnancy to term. You can feel however you want about women who get abortions or make poor decisions. You can advocate for policies which reduce thise circumstances.

But to maintain an insistence that anybody has as much say in a woman's reproductive decisions as the woman herself (which could only happen with government intervention), even after being shown how damaging such policies are to women and society in general) is absolutely maddening.

It then becomes obvious that it's either an ignorant or bigoted position. At which point you flip the script and act like people are personally attacking you.

We're not. We're saying that you are supporting an ignorant and bigoted position. The things your are advocating for are despicable because the result of instituting policies which would enforce those positions result in greater pain and suffering, with no benefit to anybody.

If you don't want to be perceived that way you should examine that position more closely.

policies are forced and i never once said im for that.

im done man. this is just going in circle so some of you can feel moralistically superior, all the while completely dismissing the numerous times ive said im not for any law or policy.

you win. You are right. You are morally superior.

 

[Phatguysrule]

i think the confusion lies in when i say a man should have the right to have a say. I mean his opinion should be silenced.
I do not mean a man should have a legal right.

That is between him and the woman he's trying to impregnate.

If he doesn't like the way she handles that he should probably consider couples counseling or just ending the relationship.

My wife and I made sure we agreed before we starting having kids.

 

[Phatguysrule]

policies are forced and i never once said im for that.

im done man. this is just going in circle so some of you can feel moralistically superior, all the while completely dismissing the numerous times ive said im not for any law or policy.

you win. You are right. You are morally superior.

Okay. Catch you later.

 

[Phatguysrule]

damn straight typical and steadfast in my stance that personal opinions shouldn't be belittled or berated. Typical of some people to do just that over and over. And your right. It all deserves a big
sigh…..

When your personal opinion is being forced on everybody regardless of all evidence showing how damaging it is, and you refuse to discuss that data, your opinion is bound to lose it's weight. It doesn't hold water.

You disagree with available evidence and data. Fine. I just don't understand why you'd act like a victim about it.

It's not that big a deal.

 

[Orion Bailey]

whole heartedly disagree. Not the best solution. The best solution is for the mother to make a decision WITH the father, (unless it was a forced pregnancy, rape,etc) and everyone else to butt the F out of thier decision.
This ideal that it should be her choice and her choice alone i think is reverse bigotry against men.
All for it being a personal choice and the government has no say. But it isnt just the mothers choice, in my opinion. The father should have equal say(provided it was an up and up relationship resulting in a child, regardless if that relationship maintains or not).

A Father should have the equal right to have a say in his child growing in the mothers body.

For all things to become equal, thats the best solution.

That is between him and the woman he's trying to impregnate.

If he doesn't like the way she handles that he should probably consider couples counseling or just ending the relationship.

My wife and I made sure we agreed before we starting having kids.

i said this above and in another post yesterday that was missed. See above.
It was one of my first posts.

 

[RR7]

i said this above and in another post yesterday that was missed. See above.
It was one of my first posts.

WHat he said, that it's between them, and if he doesn't like it, figure something out, counseling or leaving, is a whole lot different than you calling it reverse bigotry, not just the woman's choice, and saying it should be equal rights in the say of it.

 

[Phatguysrule]

i said this above and in another post yesterday that was missed. See above.
It was one of my first posts.

Probably because nobody disagrees with the idea that a couple can make reproductive decisions together if they choose to do so.

But you said (or people thought you implied) that men should have some sort of power. Which people disagree with.

*Edit* And actually, I did read that post yesterday, and nearly liked it after the first paragraph. However there was more in the post I didn't want to support publicly so I didn't hit the like button.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I don't see what any of this has to do with yesterday's conversation that I'm a giant asshole.

Get back on topic people!

 

[Orion Bailey]

WHat he said, that it's between them, and if he doesn't like it, figure something out, counseling or leaving, is a whole lot different than you calling it reverse bigotry, not just the woman's choice, and saying it should be equal rights in the say of it.

i said it was reverse bigotry to not allow the man to voice his opinion. It is not a path to equal rights. She doesn't have to abide by it, but if women truly want equal rights, they would be wise to allow the man freedom enough to let the man voice his wants and desires before making a decision or taking a stance, that a man has no say.
and stop saying “men think of women as only a sack of meat to put a dick in” just for saying we should be able to voice what we want?
The original claim was the man has nothing. No say no rights. Nothing.
Which is one of the early comments i was pushing back at. Im not gonna go back and quote it this time, because you will likely dismiss it. That the man has no say.
No voice. im the one the one that said they should discuss it.
just like your question to me coming before all the berating i took for my optimal, personal scenario, regarding a couple with a child on the way.
Its silence when i point it out. No admission.

I understand some of you are never wrong.
Can we move on now?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I don't see what any of this has to do with yesterday's conversation that I'm a giant asshole.

Get back on toxic people!

yeah, but that topic got got swallowed into the giant black hole that is you.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Probably because nobody disagrees with the idea that a couple can make reproductive decisions together if they choose to do so.

But you said (or people thought you implied) that men should have some sort of power. Which people disagree with.

*Edit* And actually, I did read that post yesterday, and nearly liked it after the first paragraph. However there was more in the post I didn't want to support publicly so I didn't hit the like button.

Ok. I never said anything about power though.
But if you say i did i must have…

 

[Mediocre Man]

I don't see what any of this has to do with yesterday's conversation that I'm a giant asshole.

Get back on topic people!

We all agree that you are a giant asshole, so there is nothing to discuss

 

[Phatguysrule]

Ok. I never said anything about power though.
But if you say i did i must have…

Read the quote again. I specifically said, *people thought you implied* to cover the possibility that you didn't say that because I don't remember specifically, but people obviously thought the implication was there.

 

[Phatguysrule]

i said it was reverse bigotry to not allow the man to voice his opinion. It is not a path to equal rights. She doesn't have to abide by it, but if women truly want equal rights, they would be wise to allow the man freedom enough to let the man voice his wants and desires before making a decision or taking a stance, that a man has no say.
and stop saying “men think of women as only a sack of meat to put a dick in” just for saying we should be able to voice what we want?
The original claim was the man has nothing. No say no rights. Nothing.
Which is one of the early comments i was pushing back at. Im not gonna go back and quote it this time, because you will likely dismiss it. That the man has no say.
No voice. im the one the one that said they should discuss it.
just like your question to me coming before all the berating i took for my optimal, personal scenario, regarding a couple with a child on the way.
Its silence when i point it out. No admission.

I understand some of you are never wrong.
Can we move on now?

And that's the point people disagreed with. Men don't get a right to say without government intervention and overreach. Hence power. You can't advocate for that right to men without government power to force women to comply.

A woman may consider his opinion. But that's her choice. As it should be. A man doesn't get a *right* to make any part of the call at all.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Read the quote again. I specifically said, *people thought you implied* to cover the possibility that you didn't say that because I don't remember specifically, but people obviously thought the implication was there.

You did. But Then they would have been wrong, as i made it clear no power, force, law or anything limiting the woman's ultimate decision, i am for…in several posts.

can we please move on?

 

[Orion Bailey]

And that's the point people disagreed with. Men don't get a right to say without government intervention and overreach. Hence power. You can't advocate for that right to men without government power to force women to comply.

A woman may consider his opinion. But that's her choice. As it should be. A man doesn't get a *right* to make any part of the call at all.

Say is a verbal word of speech. The man does have a say. Freedom of speech alone grants that.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Say is a verbal word of speech. The man does have a say. Freedom of speech alone grants that.

So you're asking for a right men already have, and has never been limited or restricted, according to the 1st ammendment?

I'm sure you can see why people might be a bit confused at your point of contention.

 

[RR7]

So you're asking for a right men already have, and has never been limited or restricted, according to the 1st ammendment?

I'm sure you can see why people might be a bit confused at your point of contention.

While using a very common idiom "having a say" to just mean voice an opinion, versus having influence or power to make a decision over.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Again, because you CAN do something doesn't mean it's moral...

So you're asking for a right men already have, and has never been limited or restricted, according to the 1st ammendment?

I'm sure you can see why people might be a bit confused at your point of contention.

possibly but the conversation was a bit all over the place with regards to personal beliefs and the law. I certainly could have said have a voice, not a say, but the. That could be misperceived too l, no? I would think that once i realized my words “having a say”were being perceived
as with force, i clarified that? I even specifically addressed that in its own post? i said its likely the point of confusion?

 

[Phatguysrule]

possibly but the conversation was a bit all over the place with regards to personal beliefs and the law. I certainly could have said have a voice, not a say, but the. That could be misperceived too l, no? I would think that once i realized my words “having a say”were being perceived
as with force, i clarified that? I even specifically addressed that in its own post? i said its likely the point of confusion?

OK. I guess I'm still not sure what you're upset about.
Nobody is trying to remove a man's right to say what he wants. We have the right.

So it's exactly as you want it. Which is cool.

We are in this "Texas" thread discussing the new Texas legislation.

 

[barfo]

barfo

 

[Lanny]

But that's a man having a say in a woman's body. And again, when it is an issue of "equal" rights, how do you not see that by having the baby, that is not EQUAL, but the man controlling what happens?

I think Orion has a point. It was pretty unclear at first but now he's cleared it up to my satisfaction. I would only say that there are circumstances when a man's opinion is not even a moral right such as rape or when a woman's life is in danger.

 

[Orion Bailey]

OK. I guess I'm still not sure what you're upset about.
Nobody is trying to remove a man's right to say what he wants. We have the right.

So it's exactly as you want it. Which is cool.

We are in this "Texas" thread discussing the new Texas legislation.

my point is how quickly some of you jump on the belittling bandwagon without any thought of maybe miss communication? No benefit of the doubt that im not a woman hating person like crand called me out for?

The way you reacted and s few others are hlw congress reacts and plays and why we cant get shit done.

dont agree with me? Your stance despicable and disgusting and can go fuck yourself. No thought to try to figure things out for sure first, and be 100% clear on ones desires, prior to just blasting him.

good job at being a representation of society as a whole.
Read something and react extremely.
With the years and the posts and the things ive done for people here, i would think i would get the benefit of the doubt. That I'm not some hater of anything
Think im gonna mail a blazer shirt out of kindness to someone i think is jsut a meat sack to put my dick in like crand hastily claimed while completely forgetting my generosity towards her?


The fact thst some of you jump soooo quickly to insults becuase someone might not see things your way or communicate their stance exactly how you want it communicated. You just insult.

i watched it happen to abm then me.
Yall need to check yourselves with your moral superiority.
But then i don't expect that to happen

because these same people never admit to any wrongs. Never back up and say. Hmm maybe i could have asked more questions instead if telling him how he is.

just like out congress on a local scale. And what i see is its mostly left wing people who acream force quality and justice are the ones sooo quick to smash the gavel of condemnation on another without even really knowing everything.


Homestly what got me the most was crand telling me its clear whati think it its clearly not. But she doesn't give a shit enough to clear it with me even though ive gone out of my way to be generous with her. Instead im a woman hater who can go fuck himself. And that statement got alot of support Nd its fuckign bullshit based off false opinions developed without a valid foundation
typical….

not one person stepped up and said they doubt i think of women as a meat sack. Instead had a mod quote me and not her and “act” as if he was addressing both of us.
and then play typical stupid games when called out on it.

Yeah im quite put off by the hasty condemnation aNd belittling that followed.

We all know that sometimes things can get lost. Once again i had 6-6 people quoting me on this, bandwagoning on their attempts to “get me” that i may have gotten confused.

Omfucking God. End of the world. Obs stance is disgusting. He can go fuck himself.

Ive never said shit like that to anyone for their opinion unless im retaliating for their initial attack.

But hey herei n S2 we have Godly creatures who do no wrong and feel thecroght to condemn and belittle anyoen who thinks differently.

Hmmm sound familiar?

reverse bigotry?


Some seriously bettercthan though people here who simply can do no wrong. We should all learn frim thier belittling of others differing opinions. Its the way to change things for the better. Yep.

Its a message board no facial expressions no pause or tonal vibes.

Shit can get mixed up in here. Im not on here all day every day to keep track of every single post Nd make sure im right on all levels in all conversations based on all previous posts not directed st me as well as at me.


Maybe some people should take a pause and remember that by and large most people here are human loving people. I really doubt abm has any less love for women than he does men.

But is regularly treated like a womanizer around here by some.


get off your high fucking horses!


If you want to be sooo quick to tear a person down before being 100% clear on their stance, you better be ready for some serious push back.

now que all the excuses from people who will not admit they don't know how i think 100% but proceeded to tell me off anyhow.

No ones perfect…

oh yeah. Except a few members here…..

 

[Orion Bailey]

People bitch about congress. But then Behave just like them….

people bitch about headline followers.. but them behave just like them.

people complain about people not having facts before judging, but then do the same thing themselves…


We all could use some better self awareness and restraint.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Go back and read my initial comment amd engagement with crand on this topic not sure i could have been any nicer?
For someone so vocal about bow much she cant stande being judged for who she is was super quick to judge me and tel me to go fuck myself without even engaging im the conversation with me Nd just assuming things without My benefit of the doubt to my kindness towards her in the past.


Yall gonna be soo fucking quick to judge and condemn, its not gonna go over well when i know where my moral stance is and its high enough to repect women enough to maintain their own choice but also high enough that i believe that we should do everything we can to avoid abortions ( without creating laws) because they are not moral in thier own right.

i just need to remind myself to not post anything that might be of a different stance around here because around here some people are on here day and night waiting for that next moment to play “gotcha” see im morally superior to you, your a lesser person than me!

its a new day. Yall cancontinue to belittle me and make excuses and blame me for your quick and hasty conclusions.
Im done defending myself.
Ill let some of you now claim me as playing victim instead of looking at your own flaws with regard to hasty condemnations…

have at….