The 2022 Trade Idea Thread, now with more urgency!

[illmatic99]

that’s surprising for a role player with no upside like reddish and on an expiring contract

because the market of teams for roco is different from those that want Reddish. In the past few weeks, he has mentioned Utah/Chicago/GS/MEM as teams that would be interested. I kept thinking NY was also on the list considering the Thibs connection, but guess not.

Contending teams with picks to throw around would all be interested in him. in theory. Let's see how it manifests in real life.

 

[BankTeller]

If NOP was a destination that Powell was already interested in last summer, I like this trade for us:

NOP gets: Powell

POR gets: Murphy III + 1st + trade exception

Murphy was just the 17th pick last summer with 3 years left. While he hasn’t shown it thus far, he is already a good 3 point shooter. He’s basically a big guard, 6’8.5 and has the length and enough athleticism to be a good defender.

If I’ve seen one thing that I’ve liked so far from Chauncey, it’s his ability to seemingly inspire the young guys. Let’s see what he can do with a guy who seemingly has all the tools to be a top 3-D wing. I think a 1st + the trade exception is enough compensation if you get Murphy (who you hope can become Covington++ one day anyway) that it offsets Covington deal picks. Covington gets another pick back at least.

Trent for Murphy, a trade exception, and another 1st certainly isn’t a bad haul for a 2nd rounder lol.

 

[BigGameDamian]

The only player I’m interested in on the Pelicans roster is Brandon Ingram.

 

[blazerkor]

The only player I’m interested in on the Pelicans roster is Brandon Ingram.

I'd be interested in Alexander-Walker and Hayes. That being said I don't know why fanspo is allowing unbalanced trades to the Pelicans. They don't have cap room and if they include a player then they can't use their huge exception.

 

[illmatic99]

If NOP was a destination that Powell was already interested in last summer, I like this trade for us:

NOP gets: Powell

POR gets: Murphy III + 1st + trade exception

Murphy was just the 17th pick last summer with 3 years left. While he hasn’t shown it thus far, he is already a good 3 point shooter. He’s basically a big guard, 6’8.5 and has the length and enough athleticism to be a good defender.

If I’ve seen one thing that I’ve liked so far from Chauncey, it’s his ability to seemingly inspire the young guys. Let’s see what he can do with a guy who seemingly has all the tools to be a top 3-D wing. I think a 1st + the trade exception is enough compensation if you get Murphy (who you hope can become Covington++ one day anyway) that it offsets Covington deal picks. Covington gets another pick back at least.

Trent for Murphy, a trade exception, and another 1st certainly isn’t a bad haul for a 2nd rounder lol.

New orleans cant absorb that much salary. You need fillers like Satoransky

 

[blazerkor]

New orleans cant absorb that much salary. You need fillers like Satoransky

fanspo seems like it's just allowing player contracts to be combined with TPEs. The Pelicans could definitely trade us just draft considerations for Norm but I would want the Lakers pick this year and future considerations.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Herb Jones ought to be the target.

 

[Idog1976]

Great find, had never heard of this guy until now. Great D! 6'8" OMFG YES PLEASE!

 

[BankTeller]

The only player I’m interested in on the Pelicans roster is Brandon Ingram.

Seriously? Pelicans have a couple young players that would be great for us. CJ is another version of Dame/Simons and Powell is just too undersized for us. CJ actually seems like he’s had more trade interest this year than any previous year outside of the Indy PG summer. There’s enough interest for both guys and we have to be proactive in a sellers market.

Trey Murphy III, Herb Jones

Both young guys could get the development here to fill a huge need. If they want Norm, I’m asking for Murphy, a 1st, and whatever filler is needed to make the trade work. If they want CJ, I’m attaching him with Zeller and even a 2nd if they wanted and I’m asking for Jones + Murphy + 1st + filler.

Need got the hype with Ingram. He’s got a bit of CJ in his game. What does Ingram do significantly better than CJ besides getting to the line and rebounding? Ingram’s also 6’8, one could assume that helps. I’d rather bank on potential and get draft compensation than get the “CJ” of another position at around the same salary. Look to FA to fill needs, you’d be saving a little money.

 

[illmatic99]

Windhorst pod today heavy on the Blazer talk. Said it's the perfect opportunity for team to bottom out for a year and become sellers. No other sellers on the market so can try to get a premium back for RoCo/Nurk/Nance if they want. Windhorst said "almost everybody" would want RoCo. "They can certainly get another first for him."

Not necessarily looking for super young guys in return in trades, but trying to find guys who might fit better around Dame next year. Called it a "retrofitting." Reiterated interest in Myles Turner and how he is example of the guys team is looking for. Also mentioned what we've been saying about how Nurk might be better than Turner but his upcoming FA status makes him very movable.

CJ's contract is a large $ number but only for two years, so there might be a market for him if the team wants to move him now.

 

[wizenheimer]

Need got the hype with Ingram. He’s got a bit of CJ in his game. What does Ingram do significantly better than CJ besides getting to the line and rebounding? Ingram’s also 6’8, one could assume that helps. I’d rather bank on potential and get draft compensation than get the “CJ” of another position at around the same salary. Look to FA to fill needs, you’d be saving a little money.

you say "getting to the line and rebounding" as if they are minor things. Both are pretty important and Ingram is actually a better passer than CJ too. In the last 2 seasons he's averaged 23-6-5 on decent efficiency, and he's only assisted on half of his FG's; so he creates well for himself and his teammates

now, an argument could be made that in one way it would be a somewhat lateral move. CJ for Ingram does makes Portland a better team. But how much better is a good question, considering that Ingram make the same amount a year as CJ and has a year more left on his deal. So the Blazers would still be in the position of investing all-star money for a once-in-7-years all-star

does, for instance, a Dame-Powell-Ingram-Nance-Nurkic lineup push Portland into contention? Or a Dame-Powell-Ingram-Nance-Myles Turner? I do like the looks of that 2nd team even though I do have some reservations about a Dame/Powell back court. Still, I think there would have to be some other significant move(s) involved. But again, I don't think any single transaction will be enough. It will have to be a process

I wonder, could Nas play SG? How does a Dame-Nas-Ingram-Nance-Turner team look with Simons as 6th man?

 

[illmatic99]

trying to find guys with some sorta injury this year to help us tank and then be on contract next yr.

- Jerami Grant out at least 2 more weeks, but we can prolly come up with some sorta reason to sit him and stealth tank.
- Saric -- obvious fit, especially if he can come with Jalen Smith attached.
- James Wiseman -- he's out indefinitely. I like this one essentially straight up trade for RoCo if GS wants to bite (need to add ~2 mil from GS).
- TJ Warren -- FA in the summer .
- Dillion Brooks is out until FEB at least.
- Oladipo -- FA
- Collin Sexton -- FA and a bad fit
- Brook Lopez
- Zach Collins - lol
- Jonathan Isaac-- hmmm sucks he's not vaccinated but intriguing.
- Fultz -- not a great fit
- Derrick Rose -- I don't want that long contract
- Paul George /Zion/Kawhi--- guy can dream.

 

[Shaboid]

Clippers Could Become Sellers At Trade Deadline

Anything on their roster we should make a move for?

 

[illmatic99]

Clippers Could Become Sellers At Trade Deadline

Anything on their roster we should make a move for?

not outside of PG/Kawhi.

And I don't get why LA would want to tank. They don't even have their pick.

 

[Natebishop3]

I just wonder if the Jerami Grant talk is a smokescreen to try to put pressure on Philly.

 

[GDiama]

you say "getting to the line and rebounding" as if they are minor things. Both are pretty important and Ingram is actually a better passer than CJ too. In the last 2 seasons he's averaged 23-6-5 on decent efficiency, and he's only assisted on half of his FG's; so he creates well for himself and his teammates

now, an argument could be made that in one way it would be a somewhat lateral move. CJ for Ingram does makes Portland a better team. But how much better is a good question, considering that Ingram make the same amount a year as CJ and has a year more left on his deal. So the Blazers would still be in the position of investing all-star money for a once-in-7-years all-star

does, for instance, a Dame-Powell-Ingram-Nance-Nurkic lineup push Portland into contention? Or a Dame-Powell-Ingram-Nance-Myles Turner? I do like the looks of that 2nd team even though I do have some reservations about a Dame/Powell back court. Still, I think there would have to be some other significant move(s) involved. But again, I don't think any single transaction will be enough. It will have to be a process

I wonder, could Nas play SG? How does a Dame-Nas-Ingram-Nance-Turner team look with Simons as 6th man?

I don't think we have the assets that will push us in contention anyway. You might say would Snell for Ingram be enough? Probably no as well. But if our target is to build around Dame then we need to upgrade wherever we can. If we could get Ingram for CJ and we said no it's lateral move then we better just give up hope entirely. Not that Pelicans would even think to say yes.
It is like you said we need many moves. I add that most likely we will never get there.

 

[James lamphear]

I'd be down for that. I'd rather route Hart here though and take less firsts. He's a perfect fit as an athletic wing that can do it all. Great guy next to Dame. If they want to move Dame after though, then this would make more sense.

Josh Hart is averaging 4.4 assists per game at a 20% assist rate. I think Chauncey would LOVE that. His previous career high was 10%. Showing a ton of improvement at age 26.

Plus he tuff kid that can rebound from his position and play decent defense.

 

[illmatic99]

ohh if we can get a similar return for Nurk, I would hire Cronin on the spot for getting that deal

 

[Chris Craig]

ohh if we can get a similar return for Nurk, I would hire Cronin on the spot for getting that deal

Blazers couldn't just trade Nurk straight up for Turner. Turner makes $6 million more than Nurk. Blazers dont have someone who makes $6 million. They would have throw in Covington or Nance and take another player back from Indiana as well.

 

[illmatic99]

Blazers couldn't just trade Nurk straight up for Turner. Turner makes $6 million more than Nurk. Blazers dont have someone who makes $6 million. They would have throw in Covington or Nance and take another player back from Indiana as well.

bro i dont want turner. i want OG

and fwiw, we don't need to add 6 mil. one of our minimum guys is enough

 

[Chris Craig]

bro i dont want turner. i want OG

and fwiw, we don't need to add 6 mil. one of our minimum guys is enough

OG would be good

For Turner who I know you don't want we would have throw in Elleby and Snell which is doable.

OG makes $4 million more than Nurk. Throwing in either Snell or Elleby works

We lose size though by switching out OG for Nurk

 

[Scalma]

Not advocating trading him, but you know, if I had a lottery pick and needed a guard, I’d give it up for Simons.

 

[Scalma]

Another thing, if Watford develops the rest of the season, does that make Nance expendable? Because if he does, I think Roco is a better fit because teams actually honor his shot. Watford looks best as a 4 or a small ball 5, same as Nance. I don’t see any in house replacements for Roco, so if we can only pay one, I’d rather it be Roco. All dependent on Watfords development of course, so this is probably more of a topic for the offseason.

Just for comparisons sake

Watford per/36

13 ppg
9.5 rpg
2.3 apg
2.3 bpg
0.6 spg
2.9 PF

Nance/36

10.7 ppg
8.8 rpg
3.1 apg
0.5 bpg
1.6 spg
2.8 PF

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Another thing, if Watford develops the rest of the season, does that make Nance expendable? Because if he does, I think Roco is a better fit because teams actually honor his shot. Watford looks best as a 4 or a small ball 5, same as Nance. I don’t see any in house replacements for Roco, so if we can only pay one, I’d rather it be Roco. All dependent on Watfords development of course, so this is probably more of a topic for the offseason.

Just for comparisons sake

Watford per/36

13 ppg
9.5 rpg
2.3 apg
2.3 bpg
0.6 spg
2.9 PF

Nance/36

10.7 ppg
8.8 rpg
3.1 apg
0.5 bpg
1.6 spg
2.8 PF

Nance is totally expendable. I wouldn't let a role player hold up any deal like him. He's good but far from amazing. If a team needed him to get a good deal done, I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

bro i dont want turner. i want OG

and fwiw, we don't need to add 6 mil. one of our minimum guys is enough

OG has had a terrific season. I can't imagine Toronto trading him. But if they're interested, I would totally make a move for him. A big time defensive player who has shined on the offensive side this season.

 

[TBpup]

OG has had a terrific season. I can't imagine Toronto trading him. But if they're interested, I would totally make a move for him. A big time defensive player who has shined on the offensive side this season.

They need a center desperately. They have interest in Nurk, but think they can get him as a FA. They like OG, but have a bit of a logjam between him and Barnes.....and they like Barnes better.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Norman Powell to New Orleans

Josh Hart/Herb Jones to Portland

 

[BankTeller]

you say "getting to the line and rebounding" as if they are minor things. Both are pretty important and Ingram is actually a better passer than CJ too. In the last 2 seasons he's averaged 23-6-5 on decent efficiency, and he's only assisted on half of his FG's; so he creates well for himself and his teammates

now, an argument could be made that in one way it would be a somewhat lateral move. CJ for Ingram does makes Portland a better team. But how much better is a good question, considering that Ingram make the same amount a year as CJ and has a year more left on his deal. So the Blazers would still be in the position of investing all-star money for a once-in-7-years all-star

does, for instance, a Dame-Powell-Ingram-Nance-Nurkic lineup push Portland into contention? Or a Dame-Powell-Ingram-Nance-Myles Turner? I do like the looks of that 2nd team even though I do have some reservations about a Dame/Powell back court. Still, I think there would have to be some other significant move(s) involved. But again, I don't think any single transaction will be enough. It will have to be a process

I wonder, could Nas play SG? How does a Dame-Nas-Ingram-Nance-Turner team look with Simons as 6th man?

My bad, I’m only saying that the fact Ingram’s rebounding being better IS a minor thing, he’s 6’8 and CJ is 6’3...You mentioned Myles Turner. He objectively gets more rebounds than CJ. But it really is a minor thing. Maybe it’s just me, but I personally think 7’0 guy averaging less than twice as many rebounds as a 6’3 guy is ABYSMAL.

Ingram gets to the line 3 more times a year, NICE. It’s weird cause I would’ve assumed that leads to Ingram being a better scorer, but he averaged less than 1 point more than CJ last year and less than 3 points more than him this year. Ingram’s ast/to ration is 1.89 this year, close to 2 last year while CJ is 2.37 this year and 3.35 last year, so I’m not giving you that one. If he was a solid defender, I could kind of get on board with it but the fact that he isn’t turns me off on the idea of Ingram at SF.

Your line of thought seems to be more along someone’s who is trying to still compete, that’s probably the disconnect. As you’ve stated, it would be a lateral move. 100% agree. That’s why I don’t look at Ingram at all. Turner is a whole other player you’d have to attach stuff with to acquire. Now that’s a lot of assets for not-a-sure-thing. Pass. Taking a gamble on Bamba or Smith in FA is a much better reward for risk than spending 2 1sts for a guy who has stated in the past he wants a bigger role. Between Dame, Ant, Turner, and potentially Simmons, who do you expect to get the least role on offense?

Picks are easier to trade in the long run. Developing the young guys also increases trade value. Be realistic, how much value do you expect to get back for Ingram if you trade him in 2024 cause he’s said he won’t re-sign?

 

[BankTeller]

I wonder, could Nas play SG? How does a Dame-Nas-Ingram-Nance-Turner team look with Simons as 6th man?

I’m not sure how that team would look. I would assume that team will not be able to rebound. Your would-be best rebounder on the floor averages 7.1rpg this year, 6.7rpg in his career and shoots 34% from 3.
Your would-be SG shoots 31% from 3 this year. Larry is a great glue guy, not a starting PF on a contending team. Ingram historically has been thought of as a good shooter but is around 37% for his career from 3. There will certainly be very cold shooting nights with that squad. I’m fairly certain that starting lineup isn’t even as good as our starting lineup in the beginning of the season.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Nas is a 3/4 — not a SG