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Hollinger suggested RoCo for Atlanta today. Delon and Reddish together is almost identical to his contract and would keep Atlanta under the tax. Wouldn’t help our own tax situation but we’d pick up a prospect.
 
Scalma said:
Hollinger suggested RoCo for Atlanta today. Delon and Reddish together is almost identical to his contract and would keep Atlanta under the tax. Wouldn’t help our own tax situation but we’d pick up a prospect.
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i think they're overvaluing reddish from everything heard/read. his 30 pt games last week didn't help. they used the #10 pick for him so they want an unprotected first that could be lotto. seems far fetched given how he's underperformed until lately, but still.

Also sidebar, I think Nas is a better prospect than Cam.
 
RR7 said:
Something in a 3 way deal with Philly and Atlanta.
Atlanta sends out bogdanovic, hunter, reddish and picks for Simmons.
Philly sends out Simmons for CJ, hunter and picks.
We send CJ for bogdanovic and reddish, which I think someone here might have already suggested
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No Reddish, but here's an idea.
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blazerkor said:
I don't think we have to give that pick in this trade... also we can't give that pick in any trade. Getting Bogdan and CJ plus the OKC first should be enough if anything we would just give them our second rounders in 27' and 28'.
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The OKC pick has no chance of conveying as a 1st. It's lottery protected and in it's last year before turning into two future 2nd rounders.
 
hoopsjock said:
The OKC pick has no chance of conveying as a 1st. It's lottery protected and in it's last year before turning into two future 2nd rounders.
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Got it, I knew it was protected but didn't know it was changing to two seconds next draft. Still we can't convey any first rounder plus I think Norm, CJ and RoCo is enough to give up to get Simmons and take on Danilo's contract.
 
illmatic99 said:
Also sidebar, I think Nas is a better prospect than Cam.
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Nas is certainly performing better than Reddish

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the biggest differences are that Reddish has a big advantage in 3ptFG% while Nas has a big advantage as a rebounder
 
So what’s Simons’ contract looking like? Trent got 18M AAV. Can’t imagine Simons getting much less. That would mean $100M + invested into four guards that don’t defend. I just can’t see that happening. I also can’t see Simons getting traded because he’s Dame insurance just in case they really wanna blow it up and rebuild (which probably wouldn’t happen until after next season at the earliest)

That means at least one of CJ/Powell are almost assuredly getting moved between now and the beginning of next season.
 
Scalma said:
So what’s Simons’ contract looking like? Trent got 18M AAV. Can’t imagine Simons getting much less. .
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As a reference, here were some guard contracts in 21 FA:

Paul -- 120 mil, 4 yrs
Powell-- 90 mil, 5 yrs
Lowry -- 85 mil, 3 yrs
Conley -- 68 mil, 4 yrs
Lonzo (RFA, S&T) -- 80 mil, 4 yrs
Dinwiddie -- 54 mil, 3 yrs
Trent (RFA) -- 52 mil, 3 yrs
Graham (RFA, S&T) -- 47 mil, 4 yrs
Rose -- 44 mil, 3 yrs
Hart (RFA) -- 38 mil, 3 yrs
Horton-Tucker (RFA) -- 31 mil, 3 yrs
Burks -- 30 mil, 3 yrs
Caruso (RFA, S&T) -- 37 mil, 4 yrs

I was hoping for a 60/4 for Simons especially as most RFA contracts are trending to be discounts, but I think he's outplaying that right now. But ya.. at least one of Norm/CJ has to go. I don't want to lose Ant for nothing so we'll be forced to pay him. And he projects really well as a ~20pt scorer off the bench, so he'd be worth it.
 
Fischer said we're gonna see some more minor deals before the guarantee date tomorrow similar to the deals that have been done so far this past week. Thinks it's gonna set up teams to make potentially larger moves in a few weeks.

Said there's gonna be a sweepstakes for Jerami Grant. Thinks Roco and Nurk could incite a bidding war because very few guys are going to available outside of these three.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Which teams can create maximum cap space in 2022?
Using Spotrac's projected cap space figures for the 2022-23 season as a guideline, assuming teams pick up options on foundational rotational players and promising prospects on rookie contracts, the following teams can potentially offer a max salary (or close to it) without creating additional cap space or reaching a sign-and-trade agreement (understanding that star players can generally orchestrate their way anywhere):

  • Orlando Magic ($48 million)

  • San Antonio Spurs ($41.9 million)

  • Detroit Pistons ($41.4 million)

  • Oklahoma City Thunder ($40.5 million)

  • Memphis Grizzlies ($40.4 million)

  • Charlotte Hornets ($33.1 million)
I'm not too scared of those teams making a big offer on him. Maybe the Pistons?
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Maybe Orlando
 
blazerkor said:
With Suggs, Cole Anthony and Fultz I just don't see how why they would need to spend any of that money on Ant but GMs do weird shit all of the time.
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I wouldn't surprise if they don't try get rid of Fultz another player been injured every since he came in the league.
 
blazerkor said:
With Suggs, Cole Anthony and Fultz I just don't see how why they would need to spend any of that money on Ant but GMs do weird shit all of the time.
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I wouldn't surprise if they don't try get rid of Fultz another player been injured every since he came in the league.
 
blazerkor said:
With Suggs, Cole Anthony and Fultz I just don't see how why they would need to spend any of that money on Ant but GMs do weird shit all of the time.
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Cole Anthony is low key All Star candidate this year.
 
illmatic99 said:
Fischer said we're gonna see some more minor deals before the guarantee date tomorrow similar to the deals that have been done so far this past week. Thinks it's gonna set up teams to make potentially larger moves in a few weeks.

Said there's gonna be a sweepstakes for Jerami Grant. Thinks Roco and Nurk could incite a bidding war because very few guys are going to available outside of these three.
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I like bidding wars when I have what other people are bidding on.

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Fez Forthright said:
Ant/+? to OKC

Dort to Portland
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You want to trade Ant/+ to OKC for a different 22 year old who can't shoot and is an undersized SG or SF (listed as a SF on ESPN)? What kind of numbers do you think Ant would put up if he was on OKC playing the same 32.6 mpg that Dort gets?
 
Go Team said:
You want to trade Ant/+ to OKC for a different 22 year old who can't shoot and is an undersized SG or SF (listed as a SF on ESPN)? What kind of numbers do you think Ant would put up if he was on OKC playing the same 32.6 mpg that Dort gets?
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Dort will be a perennial All-Defensive candidate.

They’re polar opposites. Dort can defend the 1-2-3.

Ant would be a 20ppg scorer in Oklahoma
 
Fez Forthright said:
Dort will be a perennial All-Defensive candidate.

They’re polar opposites. Dort can defend the 1-2-3.

Ant would be a 20ppg scorer in Oklahoma
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If we made that trade everyone on here would be screaming a year from now in disbelief that we traded a young PG who is scoring 20+ for a guy who's 6'3", can't shoot and can't guard a SF or a decent sized SG. I agree that we need toughness and defense but not at the expense of Ant for someone like Dort.
 
The more I think about it, the worse the idea of trading Ant sounds. He is Dame insurance in case this team goes in a full rebuild. He’s not taking up a starting spot aka not a reason for this teams imbalance. Trading him solves nothing if Powell/CJ are still here. I just can’t see it happening unless Cronin says fuck it and goes all in for the next year or two and trades him and Nas. Considering where we are in the standings currently and Dames injury, that seems shortsighted/unlikely.
 
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I like Ant as our super sub. If we really commit to him I think he could be a 6th man of the year type.

And as @Scalma said, a potential starter if we moved on from Dame and wanted to go young.

We need to move CJ and possibly Powell though for it to make sense. I don't want us throwing money at another guard otherwise. Someone has to be voted off the island.
 
What if Ant wants to start? He will be relegated to the bench if he re-ups in Portland. He is brutally inconsistent and that is not acceptable for 15m a year.
 
Cugel said:
What if Ant wants to start? He will be relegated to the bench if he re-ups in Portland. He is brutally inconsistent and that is not acceptable for 15m a year.
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Unfortunately for Ant - we can match whatever he is offered. The good news is he is young. If he is 6th man next year it might be hard for us to continue to have him be a sub. If he was a 30mpg sub for us, maybe he doesn't care next year.
 
Cugel said:
What if Ant wants to start? He will be relegated to the bench if he re-ups in Portland. He is brutally inconsistent and that is not acceptable for 15m a year.
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Yeah, I think he has shown what he's capable of and it's impressive on offense. He also seems to be able to find his spots where he can really impact the game when he has more PT. The fact is that we don't know how much another team might throw at him and that's scary.

If I were Cronin (if I knew that Dame is going to be out for most of the season) then I would honestly trade Ant, Norm and CJ. I think all three would bring back really good value and I don't think any of them are an ideal fit next to Dame nor are any of them going to be paid like a guy should who is backing up a supermax player. You would likely get a quality guard back in one of those deals but even if you didn't, I'd be cool with DSJ and Tony or Ben starting in our back court for the rest of the season, if Dame is going to be out.
 
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