The 2022 Trade Idea Thread, now with more urgency!

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Haakzilla said:
...maybe he will publicly offer to help Ben stop hemmoraging money by demanding a trade to Philly?! :dunno:
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CJ is probably forced to help in the arbitration process as the president of the players union. It's a weird dynamic for sure. Say what you want about CJ, but he's the ultimate professional in being upfront in the media about these things. We haven't actually heard from Ben in 9 months in any interviews, only sources. CJ is fully transparent in talking about things head on.
 
If the plan is to win with Damian, we need to consolidate and move depth for more top line talent. You can always find depth with cheap vets. IE, Mclemore, Milsap, etc.

If Cronin is actually serious, he would package CJ, Powell, Nance and Roco to get an all-star like Simmons or Siakam. If not, he can kiss the job goodbye.
 
Freshtown said:
Something that Kevin o Connor dropped on a ringer pod yesterday is that Portland has been active in talking to the Hawks about John Collins. Would be awesome if so.
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here's the question: if the Hawks wanted Simons for Collins would Portland agree? Should they agree?

I say no and yes
 
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AmirIcon said:
If the plan is to win with Damian, we need to consolidate and move depth for more top line talent. You can always find depth with cheap vets. IE, Mclemore, Milsap, etc.

If Cronin is actually serious, he would package CJ, Powell, Nance and Roco to get an all-star like Simmons or Siakam. If not, he can kiss the job goodbye.
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If anything it will be more like Powell/Roco or Powell/Nance for John Collins
 
Freshtown said:
Something that Kevin o Connor dropped on a ringer pod yesterday is that Portland has been active in talking to the Hawks about John Collins. Would be awesome if so.
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too bad it’s Kevin O’Connor who dropped that. Atlanta was one of the teams connected to Powell ( I’d probably even do CJ)

Powell and Nance for Collins and filler? If they wanted a first we could use Roco to get one.
 
Scalma said:
too bad it’s Kevin O’Connor who dropped that. Atlanta was one of the teams connected to Powell ( I’d probably even do CJ)

Powell and Nance for Collins and filler? If they wanted a first we could use Roco to get one.
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i am really warming to the idea of Collins as our second P&R big alongside Nurk. Unfortunately, ATL has really clicked as of late and are winning a ton. Not sure they'd be inclined to make a big move this deadline.
 
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illmatic99 said:
Putting it all together.

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We end up with Dame/Ant/Grant/Collins/Nurk

with Hart and Nas off the bench.
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Or a three way trade between the Blazers, Pels, and Hawks that sends CJ to NO and Norm/Roco or Norm/Nance to ATL and nets Portland John Collins, Josh Hart, Herb Jones and other pieces/picks
 
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wizenheimer said:
here's the question: if the Hawks wanted Simons for Collins would Portland agree? Should they agree?

I say no and yes
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Not if we could get Ben Simmons for Ant. I like Collins, but Siakam or Simmons would be better. If we're going to give him up, you get back an all-star.
 
AmirIcon said:
Not if we could get Ben Simmons for Ant. I like Collins, but Siakam or Simmons would be better. If we're going to give him up, you get back an all-star.
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Ant hasnt proven anything long enough to warrant an all star coming back. It was one month. Be realistic. No sane (or an even insane morey) GM would take a one month hot streak from a player and trade an all star for him. Thats ridiculous.
 
AmirIcon said:
Not if we could get Ben Simmons for Ant. I like Collins, but Siakam or Simmons would be better. If we're going to give him up, you get back an all-star.
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I think Collins might be better than Siakam.
 
riverman said:
Herb Jones is not going to be included in any trades...been listening to NO podcasts about trades and no way they're trading him...all that chatter is coming purely from Blazer fans.....Hart you can get...not Jones
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i might be amongst the few who prefer Hart to Jones anyway. I don't think Jones' 3pt shooting is sustainable given his track record in college. Good defender, no doubt, but he's also a 23 yr old rookie. On a good team, I think he's a good backup small ball center. Hart is a starter caliber wing who plays good team ball, decent defense, and is on a VERY reasonable contract for a 26 yr old vet.
 
riverman said:
Herb Jones is not going to be included in any trades...been listening to NO podcasts about trades and no way they're trading him...all that chatter is coming purely from Blazer fans.....Hart you can get...not Jones
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I want Jones Damnit!
 
Blazinaway said:
dream on, if Jones was here in POR on that contract and is playing like he is playing NO WAY would you trade him for what we are offering - move on
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Add a pick or something

They want CJ

They need to give us Jones
 
AmirIcon said:
Not if we could get Ben Simmons for Ant. I like Collins, but Siakam or Simmons would be better. If we're going to give him up, you get back an all-star.
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forget about Simmons. The impasse between Morey & Simmons is toxic but unending.

that leaves Collins vs Siakam:

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depend on what you want from a PF I guess. Now, those above are just this season's numbers. Career numbers:

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Collins has a huge advantage in shooting efficiency, including a career mark of .384 from three. He's also a superior rebounder on both ends of the floor. Siakam might have an edge on defense and a bigger edge as a playmaker.

Collins has 4 more years on his contract at 25M/year. Siakam has 2 more years at 35M/year

I'd take Collins over Siakam
 
riverman said:
Herb Jones is not going to be included in any trades...been listening to NO podcasts about trades and no way they're trading him...all that chatter is coming purely from Blazer fans.....Hart you can get...not Jones
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What does Neil Olshey know that we don’t?
 
Strenuus said:
Ant hasnt proven anything long enough to warrant an all star coming back. It was one month. Be realistic. No sane (or an even insane morey) GM would take a one month hot streak from a player and trade an all star for him. Thats ridiculous.
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GMs have paid players for a lot less so I obviously disagree. I think it's a good bet to suggest that Ant's numbers go way up if the ball is in his hands. With CJ and Powell, Ant is back to playing background. GMs know this. Morey has said he would like a good young player back for Simmons.
 
wizenheimer said:
forget about Simmons. The impasse between Morey & Simmons is toxic but unending.

that leaves Collins vs Siakam:

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depend on what you want from a PF I guess. Now, those above are just this season's numbers. Career numbers:

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Collins has a huge advantage in shooting efficiency, including a career mark of .384 from three. He's also a superior rebounder on both ends of the floor. Siakam might have an edge on defense and a bigger edge as a playmaker.

Collins has 4 more years on his contract at 25M/year. Siakam has 2 more years at 35M/year

I'd take Collins over Siakam
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Perhaps Collins can work his way up but Siakam is far superior defensively than Collins, which is what we need. Siakam is more versatile as well and a proven winner. But perhaps Collins has room to get better. I think he would be a good get as insurance if Nurk was to go down again.
 
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