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If this turns out to be a rebuild instead of a reload I’d like to pick up Bagley from Sac and NAW and Hayes from the Pels plus expirings/picks. If Simmons goes to Sac maybe we can get in it by sending something to Philly for Bagley. The Pels players would obviously come in a CJ trade.

Simons/(Ivey)
NAW/Keon
Little/(Mathurin)
Bagley/GB3
Hayes

Add in 2 lotto picks(ours and the Pels)

Now add in the pieces we would acquire in Dame and Nurk trades.

Seems like a rebuild could go pretty fast.
 
I was going to suggest that some team must need a bench scorer desperately enough to give up a 2nd rounder for McLemore. Then I remembered that our little kingdom has a mad queen and a jester pretending to be a GM.
 
oldmangrouch said:
I was going to suggest that some team must need a bench scorer desperately enough to give up a 2nd rounder for McLemore. Then I remembered that our little kingdom has a mad queen and a jester pretending to be a GM.
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Who knows? It could still happen. McLemore has a cheap, expiring contract.
 
Jalen Smith showed promise when he got minutes this year and Suns have already declined his option. I would like to get him and see how that goes.
 
It would be a three way trade with us, NOLA and Detroit. Then the trade between us and Toronto is separate.
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I don't know for sure if Ant has the kind of value for Toronto to pull this off but it's a really equal exchange of talent. I think the deal with NOLA and Detroit gets done pretty easily.

Next season we would end up with a rotation of Dame, Hart, OG, Grant, Hayes, Nas, MLE, hopefully Watford and some min level free agent.
 
Anything to bring in OG. Love that dude. However - he and Nassir are somewhat close in profile.
 
blazerkor said:
One problem I think there is between the few that like the trade and the rest of us is that for some fucking reason you guys care if the team makes 50M this season in profit or 150M in profit. The fact is NBA teams don't even have to worry about the bottom line because their valuation goes up so quickly that they're making far more money in asset appreciation than anyone needs to make off of a business to want to keep it. If they're breaking even they should just be cool with it... I get not wanting to go in the red despite the hundreds of millions of dollars the organization increases in value every year but after that they can kick rocks. I want to hear about what's going to get us wins not ducking tax and saving ownership money.

All of this shit about being able to sign Ant and Nurk, freeing up more money and even having enough to get an impact free agent when we all know that the front office that's still in place has never signed an impact free agent even when they had the room to. It's all bullshit. This move is a move you would see from the Money Ball A's but this isn't baseball and you can't win without real elite guys in this league. Only five guys are on the court at a time and the best model for winning is to have an eight or nine man rotation.

So all of this talk about the fiscal advantages sounds like people are buying into billionaires needing more billions and us as fans should be routing for them to get that money. I couldn't give a shit. Winslow does not play on teams that are winning, hell he was only getting 13 minutes on this year's injury riddled Clippers team. Johnson was a reach at 21... yeah he came out of high school with a big time rep but his play in college was not good enough to justify where he went and he's been proving that. A second round pick four drafts from now?!? We could buy that shit for chump change to these billionaires on draft night.

There's a personal problem I have with one of your points and that is that Nurk is a dinosaur and Ant is just as redundant with Dame as CJ has been for the last six seasons... you can tell because Ant's numbers have plummeted since having to play with a ball dominant guard like CJ. So I want those guys traded not re-signed and likely overpaid.

Also your speaking out of both sides of your mouth when you say "opportunity/advantage to re-sign RoCo" sarcastically and then brag about how the trade freed up cap space. RoCo gave us a choice we could free up cap space if there was something out there for us better than RoCo or re-sign him if he was the best we could get, that's why there were reports that 7 teams had him highly valued. Now we have Bledsoe's useless ass and keeping him on his terrible contract would never be an option. We got less flexibility because we now have less choices and only increased the cap space by a measly 6M.

We needed to duck the tax and we needed to trade these guys but the idea from just about every logical thinking person was that we could duck the tax and either get pieces back that we knew could help us win or draft assets and the kind of shitty guys we got. Nope purely a money move with no regard for how competitive the team will be now or in the future.
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NBA franchises increase in value the last ~30 years is less than the average investment in the stock market. Yes the 80 million to 2 billion is less than the stock market average. You'd think buying an NBA team during this period had at least compared to a good stock, instead of less than an average one.

To your point though, many NBA owners treat the team more as a luxury item than an investment, in which case I agree bottom line profit isn't a primary concern.

But the notion that NBA franchises skyrocket in value so much owners can have enormous losses and still have great investment returns is false.
 
I don't think the Raptors part with OG, even for 3 FRPs. They want to make a run. They will be buyers at the deadline with picks to deal.
 
Cugel said:
I don't think the Raptors part with OG, even for 3 FRPs. They want to make a run. They will be buyers at the deadline with picks to deal.
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Yes its a hot market with a large majority of teams in the association looking to trade picks for players that can help win now. If only we had a couple rotational players to trade away; we could get one or more good assets like first round picks.

You'd have to be beyond incompetent as a GM and ownership to trade away 2 starters for 3 scrubs making 11 million next year.
 
From Athletic

Blazers receive: John Collins, Delon Wright, Heat 2024 second-round pick

Hawks receive: CJ McCollum, Tony Snell

Who says no? Possibly no one.

Another player who I’ve heard the Hawks have interest in is McCollum. I personally don’t get it because we’ve seen the ceiling with a Damian Lillard-McCollum backcourt, and it’s not a title. I’d be very concerned with the backcourt defense of Young and McCollum. What McCollum would provide is a much-needed and proven shot creator. When Young is struggling from the floor, it’s glaring how big of an issue it is that the Hawks don’t have someone they can turn to in order to cover for him. McCollum provides that scoring.

A different idea here could be Gallinari and Bogdanović plus a first-round pick for McCollum. Including Gallinari gives the Blazers cap flexibility for their inevitable teardown, plus they’d get a first-round pick, which they should be looking to acquire as many picks as possible at this point.
 
GDiama said:
A different idea here could be Gallinari and Bogdanović plus a first-round pick for McCollum. Including Gallinari gives the Blazers cap flexibility for their inevitable teardown, plus they’d get a first-round pick, which they should be looking to acquire as many picks as possible at this point.
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That Collins trade seems like a far-fetched fantasy, especially since they're playing really well now. I think that Gallinari's contract is similar to Bledsoe's (low guaranty $ next year), which would probably be appealing to Cronin as he could offer another team almost $40M of near-expiring contracts on draft night. Also, Dame is supposedly an admirer of Bogdanovic's game.

However, I don't think there's any way for the blazers to make a move like that and stay under the cap unless they separately deal Winslow. Not sure if they think that he has value or not.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Yes, good trade for Indy. Also good for the Cavs, gives them a player to win now. Thats how most trades are, they have different advantages for each team.

Meanwhile the Blazers turned 2 starters on good contracts into no draft picks and 3 scrubs on $11 million of salary next year.
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Whoa, wait. Didn't you hear Justise Winslow is for real?!?
 
wizenheimer said:
The turnaround in the evaluation of Powell's value by many of the same people pissing on it now is dizzying. They went from "man, what a great trade Olshey made landing Powell" to "it will be a massive failure if Portland doesn't re-sign Powell" to "man, what a great contract they re-signed Powell for" to "that is the most tradeable contract Portland has" to "Powell would be a much better running mate for Dame at SG, trade CJ". Then suddenly, 2 days ago "Powell is a mediocre player on an albatross contract", and "Keon Johnson was a 1st round draft pick, the trade wasn't bad"
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Exactly.
 
GDiama said:
From Athletic

Blazers receive: John Collins, Delon Wright, Heat 2024 second-round pick

Hawks receive: CJ McCollum, Tony Snell

Who says no? Possibly no one.

Another player who I’ve heard the Hawks have interest in is McCollum. I personally don’t get it because we’ve seen the ceiling with a Damian Lillard-McCollum backcourt, and it’s not a title. I’d be very concerned with the backcourt defense of Young and McCollum. What McCollum would provide is a much-needed and proven shot creator. When Young is struggling from the floor, it’s glaring how big of an issue it is that the Hawks don’t have someone they can turn to in order to cover for him. McCollum provides that scoring.

A different idea here could be Gallinari and Bogdanović plus a first-round pick for McCollum. Including Gallinari gives the Blazers cap flexibility for their inevitable teardown, plus they’d get a first-round pick, which they should be looking to acquire as many picks as possible at this point.
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I'd do it. I don't see why Atlanta would pair CJ with Trae and go from a 24 year old Collins to 30 year old CJ.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Whoa, wait. Didn't you hear Justise Winslow is for real?!?
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He was out last year with an injury, and the year before and before and before and before and before. But if healthy he has the potential of Ray Allen without the shooting.
 
wizenheimer said:
The turnaround in the evaluation of Powell's value by many of the same people pissing on it now is dizzying. They went from "man, what a great trade Olshey made landing Powell" to "it will be a massive failure if Portland doesn't re-sign Powell" to "man, what a great contract they re-signed Powell for" to "that is the most tradeable contract Portland has" to "Powell would be a much better running mate for Dame at SG, trade CJ". Then suddenly, 2 days ago "Powell is a mediocre player on an albatross contract", and "Keon Johnson was a 1st round draft pick, the trade wasn't bad"
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There are vocal fans that no matter what believe the most current decisions this franchise makes are golden.

I supported many if not a majority of Neil's decisions but I also called him out on the dumb ones. This trade is right there with the Turner contract as one of the stupidest decisions by this organization in the last decade.

Rightly so it is being nearly universally panned by knowledgeable fans of the team. That there are a few delusional fans with a dumb supportive opinions is expected.

The biggest problem is that at least two of these people with dumb opinions are running the franchise in Joe and Jody. One bad trade in isolation is something the franchise can recover from. I fear we are starting the dark days with many terrible decisions ahead.
 
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It would have to be Randle and maybe even Noel as well since that trade doesn’t work straight up.
 
Btw how do two ways work can they be converted after the season or does it have to be during
 
B-Roy said:
Nerlens Noel + Julius Randle for CJ + Nurk.
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I don't like that at all. Substantial downgrade in talent with Noel, and his salary is a bit of an albatross next year.

I also wanna keep Nurk because I think the Nurk-Randle pairing could work, especially with a Dame-Ant backcourt.

A CJ for Randle + Gibson trade would be fine with me. Cuts another 4 mil from the books.
 
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