The "All-Star" KP is trying to land is Mo Williams

[bbc23]

Tweets Brian Windhorst of the Cleveland Plain Dealer: "Sources: While Cavs have discussed Mo Williams trade options, currently there are no advanced talks with any team. Cavs don't feel they have to trade Williams, they have just tested the market. Bigger chance Delonte West traded in next month."
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Previously, we've noted that the Cavs are gauging Mo Williams' market, and Toronto was one team thrown out as a potential suitor.

For now, that doesn't appear like a likely destination. But there's apparently another team showing some interest: The Portland Trail Blazers.

"Portland is showing strong interest in ... Williams," writes Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports. "The Blazers have been making calls to check on him."

Rudy Fernandez showed some displeasure in Portland this past season, so it's possible he could be included in a deal back to the Cavs if talks get more serious.

and you thought it would be someone that could make a difference

 

[julius]

yeah, because obviously they're only going after 1 single player.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'd call that plan F.

 

[Wheels]

and you thought it would be someone that could make a difference

pretty sure that Quick didnt think Mo was "Earth Shattering"

 

[MadeFromDust]

I'm gonna be upset if all we get is Mo this offseason.

CP3 FTW!

 

[Draco]

I'm gonna be upset if all we get is Mo this offseason.

CP3 FTW!

Well it all comes down to how much we have to ship out. If we get Mo for only Rudy I'd be ecstatic. If we get Chris Paul for Oden and Roy I would be pissed.

 

[Ed O]

Well it all comes down to how much we have to ship out. If we get Mo for only Rudy I'd be ecstatic. If we get Chris Paul for Oden and Roy I would be pissed.

Exactly... Mo Williams is not a great player, but he's a pretty darn good one, and he's only 27 years old. He could come off the bench as the third guard behind Miller and Roy and be an effective upgrade while Bayless gets experience and improves his perimeter shooting.

Ed O.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Exactly... Mo Williams is not a great player, but he's a pretty darn good one, and he's only 27 years old. He could come off the bench as the third guard behind Miller and Roy and be an effective upgrade while Bayless gets experience and improves his perimeter shooting.

Ed O.

Not sure I agree. On top of his lousy defense, he would make the team's already stagnant ball movement even worse. Maybe I'm being unduly biased by his play-off performance, but I wouldn't even want him as a designated shooter late in a close game.

 

[EGame]

I would rather do no deal than a Williams deal. Dude is a choker in the playoffs, we don't need many more of those.

 

[Minstrel]

As I recall, the report was for a "multiple-time All-Star" which I don't think Williams is (though I could be wrong). Also, a Yahoo report called Mo Williams the Blazers' "plan Z."

So I don't think he was the primary target.

 

[EGame]

The "multiple time all-star" was Chris Paul, and that is pretty much dead. The Blazers, if still wanting to upgrade, will have to look somewhere else other than Paul and hopefully Williams because he is just an average player, he is not an all-star at all.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

merge alert!
http://sportstwo.com/threads/162213-Portland-Covets-Mo-Williams

How fuckin' hard is it to scroll down a little and see if a thread on this topic has already been started?!?!?!

 

[mook]

Exactly... Mo Williams is not a great player, but he's a pretty darn good one, and he's only 27 years old. He could come off the bench as the third guard behind Miller and Roy and be an effective upgrade while Bayless gets experience and improves his perimeter shooting.

Ed O.

Correction: He's a pretty darned good regular season player.

In 30 playoff games, he's got a PER of 12.5. Normally a .400+ three point shooter (WIN!) it plummets to .344 in the playoffs--and he averaged over 5 attempts a game in the playoffs, so it wasn't for lack of trying (FAIL!)

I hate the idea of paying $9 mil/year for a guy who will help us win 4 or 5 more regular season games and then just vanish in the games that count. That's how 61 win teams featuring LeBron James don't make it to the Conference Finals.

 

[mook]

I guess I could be ok with a straight across swap of Rudy for Mo if it were possible. But we'd have to throw in Joel to make it work, and I'm hoping he's still a good bargaining chip. And even if not, I like the odds more of Joel being productive in a playoff run, even with the injury history, more than Mo.

 

[maxiep]

As I recall, the report was for a "multiple-time All-Star" which I don't think Williams is (though I could be wrong). Also, a Yahoo report called Mo Williams the Blazers' "plan Z."

So I don't think he was the primary target.

So, if I hear you correctly, you're saying that while Mo Williams may be in the deal, our goal is really Zydrunas Ilgauskas?

 

[Ed O]

Correction: He's a pretty darned good regular season player.

In 30 playoff games, he's got a PER of 12.5. Normally a .400+ three point shooter (WIN!) it plummets to .344 in the playoffs--and he averaged over 5 attempts a game in the playoffs, so it wasn't for lack of trying (FAIL!)

I put almost no stock in 30 games, especially given a decent chunk of those games happened in 2006. If you remove his 2/11 from 3 pointers when he was with the Bucks, his 3% is 35.6% in the playoffs... not too bad.

I hate the idea of paying $9 mil/year for a guy who will help us win 4 or 5 more regular season games and then just vanish in the games that count. That's how 61 win teams featuring LeBron James don't make it to the Conference Finals.

I'd much rather win 4 or 5 more regular season games, get home court advantage, and then take my chances. I'm not advocating making Williams a go-to player nor even a starter. I think he could be an effective floor-spacer as a third guard. Whether we pay a third guard $10m or $26m over the next three years isn't very relevant to me... winning games is what I care about.

Ed O.

 

[crandc]

Sounds like he'd be a decent role player, which the Blazers need. They do not appear to be counting on him to transform the franchise. If they deal for him, if he does not cost too much, if he contributes, and if he's a decent person, I'm OK.

A lot of ifs, here we are, once againg, getting worked up over speculation piled on speculation!

 

[Mediocre Man]

Sounds like he'd be a decent role player, which the Blazers need. They do not appear to be counting on him to transform the franchise. If they deal for him, if he does not cost too much, if he contributes, and if he's a decent person, I'm OK.

A lot of ifs, here we are, once againg, getting worked up over speculation piled on speculation!

All the Blazers have is decent role players.

The last thing this team needs is another decent role player. What they need is someone that can carry the team along with Roy. All great teams have at least 2 all-star type players. Portland has 1 and a bunch of role players.

 

[LittleAlex]

All the Blazers have is decent role players.

The last think this team needs is another decent role player. What they need is someone that can carry the team along with Roy. All great teams have at least 2 all-star type players. Portland has 1 and a bunch of role players.

My name is LittleAlex and I agree with this message.

 

[hasoos]

All the Blazers have is decent role players.

The last think this team needs is another decent role player. What they need is someone that can carry the team along with Roy. All great teams have at least 2 all-star type players. Portland has 1 and a bunch of role players.

Huzzah we have a winner!

 

[mook]

I put almost no stock in 30 games, especially given a decent chunk of those games happened in 2006.

5 of his 30 playoff games, or 16%, were in 2006.

I don't put much stock in just his 2006 performance either. But 30 playoff games is a decent sample size when you look at how consistent his PER has been during every year he's been in the playoffs:
2006: 5 games/ 11.3 PER
2009: 14 games/13.0 PER
2010: 11 games/12.1 PER

He hasn't just had a bad series or two which drag down his numbers. He's been consistently bad over three different seasons.

I'd much rather win 4 or 5 more regular season games, get home court advantage, and then take my chances. I'm not advocating making Williams a go-to player nor even a starter. I think he could be an effective floor-spacer as a third guard.

I might agree with you if I hadn't seen everybody but Roy implode in the Rockets series last year. We need to add role players like Horry or Fisher--guys who provide consistent performance in regular season and the playoffs. I don't like the idea of a guy who allows our team to play one way through the regular season, and then forces us to play differently in the playoffs. Every game is too critical to be forcing your team to adjust on the fly at that point. I mean, you have to adjust, obviously. But why add a guy you know is going to require you to change how your bench works?

Whether we pay a third guard $10m or $26m over the next three years isn't very relevant to me... winning games is what I care about.

Ed O.

I'd agree if I thought he'd be a long-term fixture on Portland's bench. For example, I really don't care that much if Andre Miller makes $7 mil or $10 mil/year, because we probably aren't going to trade him. But if we added Mo Williams, within a year he'll be considered overpaid and impossible to unload without taking back an equally bad contract. Derek Anderson 2.0. If we are giving up decent trade assets (JPEC) for someone we will likely need to trade again, I want that guy to also be a decent trade asset.

 

[hasoos]

5 of his 30 playoff games, or 16%, were in 2006.

I don't put much stock in just his 2006 performance either. But 30 playoff games is a decent sample size when you look at how consistent his PER has been during every year he's been in the playoffs:
2006: 5 games/ 11.3 PER
2009: 14 games/13.0 PER
2010: 11 games/12.1 PER

He hasn't just had a bad series or two which drag down his numbers. He's been consistently bad over three different seasons.



I might agree with you if I hadn't seen everybody but Roy implode in the Rockets series last year. We need to add role players like Horry or Fisher--guys who provide consistent performance in regular season and the playoffs. I don't like the idea of a guy who allows our team to play one way through the regular season, and then forces us to play differently in the playoffs. Every game is too critical to be forcing your team to adjust on the fly at that point. I mean, you have to adjust, obviously. But why add a guy you know is going to require you to change how your bench works?



I'd agree if I thought he'd be a long-term fixture on Portland's bench. For example, I really don't care that much if Andre Miller makes $7 mil or $10 mil/year, because we probably aren't going to trade him. But if we added Mo Williams, within a year he'll be considered overpaid and impossible to unload without taking back an equally bad contract. Derek Anderson 2.0. If we are giving up decent trade assets (JPEC) for someone we will likely need to trade again, I want that guy to also be a decent trade asset.

One thing I would point out. Cleveland as a whole has been a failure in the playoffs the past 2 seasons, and I don't pin it all on Mo Williams. Has he not played great? Yep. But the same can be said of the rest of the team. When a team as a whole is not playing well, it effects everbody.

 

[Ed O]

I might agree with you if I hadn't seen everybody but Roy implode in the Rockets series last year. We need to add role players like Horry or Fisher--guys who provide consistent performance in regular season and the playoffs. I don't like the idea of a guy who allows our team to play one way through the regular season, and then forces us to play differently in the playoffs. Every game is too critical to be forcing your team to adjust on the fly at that point. I mean, you have to adjust, obviously. But why add a guy you know is going to require you to change how your bench works?

I reject that people are either good or bad in the postseason. They are either good or bad, period. The team would be better having Mo Williams coming off the bench than they would be with anyone else on their current roster doing so, and that's what I care about.

I'd agree if I thought he'd be a long-term fixture on Portland's bench. For example, I really don't care that much if Andre Miller makes $7 mil or $10 mil/year, because we probably aren't going to trade him. But if we added Mo Williams, within a year he'll be considered overpaid and impossible to unload without taking back an equally bad contract. Derek Anderson 2.0. If we are giving up decent trade assets (JPEC) for someone we will likely need to trade again, I want that guy to also be a decent trade asset.

He's 27. Why would he suddenly be overpaid a year from now? His contract actually goes DOWN a bit over time, actually, so unless there's some reason he regresses when he should be in his prime, he will be a better value over time than he is now.

Ed O.

 

[mook]

I reject that people are either good or bad in the postseason. They are either good or bad, period. The team would be better having Mo Williams coming off the bench than they would be with anyone else on their current roster doing so, and that's what I care about.

Some guys clearly aren't good post-season players. They wilt under the pressure of the packed arena, the hype, the competition. They do fine during the regular routine of an 82 game season, but when the spotlight comes to bear, they get distracted and can't perform like they normally do.

The guys who don't wilt are mis-labeled as clutch, as though they drastically elevate their games for the playoffs. They don't. They just don't let the distractions bother them.

Funny enough, I was just thinking about this yesterday while teaching my 4-year-old to ride a bike. He was doing fantastic for 30 minutes, and then he fell over when an oncoming cyclist distracted him. After that he rode at half the speed he was going at before, and was scared every time somebody peddled by. He eventually got his confidence back, but even then you could see he was different when there was traffic around. He just started thinking too much.

Obviously, a pro basketball player is different from a 4 year old learning to bike. But human nature is human nature.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Mo williams twitter

@mogotti2: Pls don't trade me, I'm not ready to go. I'm begging. My work ain't done yet. I'm on both knees....pls. I'm serious

Wow

 

[mook]

One thing I would point out. Cleveland as a whole has been a failure in the playoffs the past 2 seasons, and I don't pin it all on Mo Williams. Has he not played great? Yep. But the same can be said of the rest of the team. When a team as a whole is not playing well, it effects everbody.

Yeah, I don't pin it all on Mo Williams either. Sorry if that's how I came across.

But he did log the most minutes on the team during those playoffs (after LeBron), and he was the starting point guard. Was the team dysfunctional and so he sucked, or was the team dysfunctional because he sucked? Some of both, I guess.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Mo doesn't want a trade.


http://twitter.com/mogotti2

Post #25?

 

[illmatic99]

Deleted. Chill. Your post was on the previous page. I didn't see it.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Im chill, haha, im not angry jus saying, my bad

 

[oldmangrouch]

All the Blazers have is decent role players.

The last thing this team needs is another decent role player. What they need is someone that can carry the team along with Roy. All great teams have at least 2 all-star type players. Portland has 1 and a bunch of role players.

Somebody needs to make this into a bronze plaque, and present it to the next GM!