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I look at it like I really don't care what a player did at the beginning the season but what he bring now. I think Layman finally getting the confidence that he really can produce at this level. I think it was Mark Jackson said 30 percent is playing ability and 70 percent it is just plain mental. So a player gets this point in the basketball life they all can play but the mental will make you either make or go bust.
 
This isn’t whatsoever aimed at anyone in particular, but I feel like every time Jake is mentioned (mainly by media and nationally, but some fans too) there’s this underlying joke vibe to it all. Almost like a “aww that’s cute, look at the white guy having the game of his life!”

What if Jake is just a good player finally coming into his own? He’s in the NBA for a reason. He’s not a team mascot lolol. He’s an elite athlete, I mean look at how he stands out on a court full of other great athletes. He’s a fluid 6’9. He’s got a smooth looking shot thats almost textbook. He can post a bunch of players, especially when he’s playing the three. He doesn’t need to be a ball handler to be a multi dimensional scorer. I’ve said this before, but he’s a little bit of consistency away from being a rotation player. Maybe I undersold his potential as well. Maybe it is more than that.

What if instead of five shots a game, he got ten? It’a completely feasible. CJ doesn’t need 18 shots a game. Aminu doesn’t need 8. Of course Layman’s TS% is going to come back to earth, especially if he’s given more looks, but right now he’s ranked tenth on the team in FGA, eighth in FGA/36. There’s no way there are that many guys more deserving of looks on the roster. Put some respek on his name maaaaan.
 
What if instead of five shots a game, he got ten? It’a completely feasible. CJ doesn’t need 18 shots a game. Aminu doesn’t need 8. Of course Layman’s TS% is going to come back to earth, especially if he’s given more looks, but right now he’s ranked tenth on the team in FGA, eighth in FGA/36. There’s no way there are that many guys more deserving of looks on the roster. Put some respek on his name maaaaan.

Couldn't agree more. In fact, that got me to checking. Layman is now the team leader in eFG% at .617. However, he was at .700 earlier this season just before Harkless came back so although he will likely come back to earth, he has been at a high level for most of the season.

Layman.....Rank
eFG%.........#1
(tied w/Leonard)
TS%...........#2 (Leonard)
FG%...........#1
3pt%..........#4
(Curry, Leonard, Lillard)
2pt%..........#1 (by a HUGE margin)
FGA..........#10 (the only regular he is ahead of is Meyers)
USG%.......#11 (Very solid numbers for such little use)
PER...........#5
Blk%..........#4
(this was surprising)
WS/48.......#4 (Dame, Nurk, Meyers)

So why isn't he getting more run? I've talked to guys who have questioned Stotts about Jake and they get the feeling he is almost irritated by the questions. He has chuckled, somewhat rolled his eyes or seems bothered by being asked about him. There must be something that Stotts doesn't like despite Jake's massive increase in efficiency this season.
 
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Couldn't agree more. In fact, that got me to checking. Layman is now the team leader in eFG% at .617. However, he was at .700 earlier this season just before Harkless came back so although he will likely come back to earth, he has been at a high level for most of the season.

Layman.....Rank
eFG%.........#1
(tied w/Leonard)
TS%...........#2 (Leonard)
FG%...........#1
3pt%..........#4
(Curry, Leonard, Lillard)
2pt%..........#1 (by a HUGE margin)
FGA..........#10 (the only regular he is ahead of is Meyers)
USG%.......#11 (Very solid numbers for such little use)
PER...........#5
Blk%..........#4
(this was surprising)
WS/48.......#4 (Dame, Nurk, Meyers)

So why isn't he getting more run? I've talked to guys who have questions Stotts about Jake and they get the feeling he is almost irritated by the questions. He has chuckled, somewhat rolled his eyes or seems bothered by being asked about him. There must be something that Stotts doesn't like despite Jake's massive increase in efficiency this season.

Yeah, he doesn’t like the possibility he’s going to have to make a goddamn change in his goddamn starting lineup.
 
Stotts would rather lean on someone who has proven to be unreliable than a younger guy who hasn’t proven anything either way.
 
One thing I like about Jake is that he seems to enjoy playing the game - he seems happy and involved. Harkless, not so much. Just kinda out there doing his job.

Harkless can be great when on but you never know if you are going to get Impact Harkless, Invisible Harkless or something in-between. At least with Jake you will get lots of movement and effort - along with a smile.

Watching him the other night the way he seemed to be constantly moving around, he kinda reminded me of Bobby Gross.

Gramps...
 
Credit to Terry Stotts and co for developing young 2nd round talent
Gone are the days where Nolan Smith and Armon Johnson iso'd or exclusively ran P&R.
Arrival of the days where the offense which is ran helps put young players in a position to succeed both on, and off the ball.

Crabbe, Baseball player, Napier, Layman, Nurk, Nards, Collins.

Nate would've never actually ran plays for Layman like Portland did in the second half against the Pelicans.
It would've been clear out or P&R.
Layman might've missed the shots but plays were still ran for him.

Uhoh a post giving the coaches credit and not trying to armchair coach.
This'll go well.
Good post until whatever this crap is.
 
https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest...ayman-earned-permanent-spot-starting-rotation

Jake Layman has found himself playing inconsistent minutes this season. A starter for the first 19 games for the Portland Trail Blazers, Layman then recorded five straight games where he didn't see the floor. Coach Terry Stotts vacillated Layman's playing time with the availability of forward Maurice Harkless, a more dynamic playmaker and defender when not injured. But Harkless and his knee pain continues to be a storyline for the Blazers, and thus so do Layman’s minutes.

Stotts has stuck with Layman as the starter, but gave Evan Turner a look in a matchup against Houston earlier in January. Layman is a more malleable quantity than Turner, and his remaining in the starting lineup helps the Blazers keep the more creative point forward as the leader of the second unit.

At face value, it appears to most Blazers fans that Layman has more than held his own as the glue guy of the starting lineup. His shooting, rebounding, and willingness to cut has outweighed whatever defensive inequities Layman might bring to the table. But it still feels as though the third-year forward could be jettisoned from the rotation once — or if — Harkless returns to playing at full strength.

The question on the minds of many Portlanders is this: why?

Looking at Layman’s numbers, it’s clear that he’s made the third-season leap you hope for from developmental players. His free throw attempts per 100 possessions have doubled, and his rebounds by the same metric have gone up by three, per Basketball-Reference.

Even more impressive is how some of his statistical improvements are underlined by a maturity about who he is and what he needed to improve upon. The NBA is now analytics-crazy, and as such it’s not that difficult to figure out how to be better on offense — shoot more 3-pointers and get to the free-throw line more often.

While Layman hasn’t gone full James Harden on everyone, he has made a shocking leap. A career 23 percent 3-point shooter heading into 2018-19, Layman has risen to around the league average at 35 percent from deep. That’s no small feat, and it wasn’t just a weakness in Layman’s game, but a weakness in the Blazers rotation that he’s filled in the absence of Pat Connaughton. That’s allowed Layman’s true shooting percentage to jump by 27 points, which makes sense looking at some of his shot charts.

layman-shot-maps.jpeg


Layman has also reduced his personal foul rate by about 15 percent per 100 possessions, a maturation that allows for Stotts and his staff to keep him on the floor longer and worry less about having to alter their in-game tactics due to foul trouble.

There’s more juicy stats to love about Layman’s improvements. He’s boosted himself to the 82nd percentile when it comes to the amount of shots he takes at the rim, an obvious mirror to an fan watching him play and seeming miles more aggressive compared to seasons past. His rebounding numbers make him a top performer at his position as well, with Layman settling in the 80th percentile or better in both offensive and defensive rebounding, per Cleaning the Glass.

The thing to avoid at this juncture is wondering whether Layman is ready to take over the starting position full-time from Harkless. There’s too many factors at play to make that kind of decision, including but not limited to Harkless’ health, attitude, and potential.

But Layman is the kind of player that Portland has needed around Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum on a consistent basis the past few seasons. This Blazers roster is top-heavy, and Stotts has done all he can to try and balance it out by making Turner the leader of the bench squad. Layman stepping up and being a useful wing player — <em>the</em> single most important thing Portland’s lacked since Lillard took over the team — has been a breath of fresh air.

Layman is still young, and he’s liable to have some variance in his performance that no doubt irks the veteran-friendly Stotts. How the young forward has played during trying circumstances, both for the team and for himself, has been admirable. Blazers fans like to latch on to a player or two each season, puff them up larger than their true value, then get their hearts broken when things fall apart. Layman’s statistics support the idea he’s moving in the right direction, and his contribution for Portland this year is as positive as you might hope for from a second round pick.

Who knows if Harkless will come back? Who knows if Stotts might go with Turner as a starter come playoff time? The fact is that Layman deserves his spot in the starting lineup within the context of the Blazers team, and if he continues to keep his head down and know his role he will be an important factor in the second half of the season.
 
"Coach Terry Stotts vacillated Layman's playing time with the availability of forward Maurice Harkless, a more dynamic playmaker and defender when not injured."

Better defender, certainly he can be when he is engaged. But who is this dynamic playmaker Delgado is speaking of?
 
"Coach Terry Stotts vacillated Layman's playing time with the availability of forward Maurice Harkless, a more dynamic playmaker and defender when not injured."

Better defender, certainly he can be when he is engaged. But who is this dynamic playmaker Delgado is speaking of?

He trippin
 
Layman is not an end all/be all, but he is dramatically improved in a number of significant areas and in the very limited opportunities and minutes he is getting as the 5th option, he seems to be making the most of them. But his minutes are very limited and he usually starts both halves for 5-6 minutes and then never sees the light of day again.

Layman....2017.....2018
FG%......... .298 .... .529
3FG%....... .200 .... .333
2FG%....... .370 ..... .750
eFG%....... .340 ..... .618
PER.......... 4.9 ...... 12.5


He is actually shooting just a shade less FG's per 36 than last season but his efficiency has skyrocketed up. His WS has climbed from -0.1 to +0.1. That is not a huge leap but by comparison, CJ's has gone from 6.6 down to 0.2. Aminu has gone from 4.2 to 0.2. Dame has plummeted from 12.6 to 1.2. Harkless is down from 3.2 to 0.2. Jusuf has fallen from 4.7 to 0.3. Collins who has shown much better this year as well is the same in WS at 0.3 both this year and last.

So four of the five starters have fallen off significantly in WS while Jake is the only one to have improved. Of course it is early and in Jake's case, a limited sample size due to the minutes, but with such increases in efficiency, it seems like he should get more run.

I get that Stotts isn't a big adjustment guy. We saw that in the Playoffs last year and we have seen that in games for years now. But what does a guy have to do?
I use to think Collins was our bright future and Layman was just embarrassing. I'm now starting to change my tune and wish to reiterate this is why I'm not a coach nor a GM.
 
I use to think Collins was our bright future and Layman was just embarrassing. I'm now starting to change my tune and wish to reiterate this is why I'm not a coach nor a GM.
Collins is like 4 yrs younger than Layman. Apples to oranges
 
Collins is like 4 yrs younger than Layman. Apples to oranges
It's closer to 3 years difference and one year more experience in the NBA than Collins. Anyhow that wasn't my point. My point was simply right now, I have more hopes for Jake than Collins.
No one can take issue with this since it's my feeling and not yours nor anyone else. I do have a right to own my feelings. Had I asserted it to be a fact then you would have a case.
 
https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest...ayman-earned-permanent-spot-starting-rotation

Jake Layman has found himself playing inconsistent minutes this season. A starter for the first 19 games for the Portland Trail Blazers, Layman then recorded five straight games where he didn't see the floor. Coach Terry Stotts vacillated Layman's playing time with the availability of forward Maurice Harkless, a more dynamic playmaker and defender when not injured. But Harkless and his knee pain continues to be a storyline for the Blazers, and thus so do Layman’s minutes.

Stotts has stuck with Layman as the starter, but gave Evan Turner a look in a matchup against Houston earlier in January. Layman is a more malleable quantity than Turner, and his remaining in the starting lineup helps the Blazers keep the more creative point forward as the leader of the second unit.

At face value, it appears to most Blazers fans that Layman has more than held his own as the glue guy of the starting lineup. His shooting, rebounding, and willingness to cut has outweighed whatever defensive inequities Layman might bring to the table. But it still feels as though the third-year forward could be jettisoned from the rotation once — or if — Harkless returns to playing at full strength.

The question on the minds of many Portlanders is this: why?

Looking at Layman’s numbers, it’s clear that he’s made the third-season leap you hope for from developmental players. His free throw attempts per 100 possessions have doubled, and his rebounds by the same metric have gone up by three, per Basketball-Reference.

Even more impressive is how some of his statistical improvements are underlined by a maturity about who he is and what he needed to improve upon. The NBA is now analytics-crazy, and as such it’s not that difficult to figure out how to be better on offense — shoot more 3-pointers and get to the free-throw line more often.

While Layman hasn’t gone full James Harden on everyone, he has made a shocking leap. A career 23 percent 3-point shooter heading into 2018-19, Layman has risen to around the league average at 35 percent from deep. That’s no small feat, and it wasn’t just a weakness in Layman’s game, but a weakness in the Blazers rotation that he’s filled in the absence of Pat Connaughton. That’s allowed Layman’s true shooting percentage to jump by 27 points, which makes sense looking at some of his shot charts.

layman-shot-maps.jpeg


Layman has also reduced his personal foul rate by about 15 percent per 100 possessions, a maturation that allows for Stotts and his staff to keep him on the floor longer and worry less about having to alter their in-game tactics due to foul trouble.

There’s more juicy stats to love about Layman’s improvements. He’s boosted himself to the 82nd percentile when it comes to the amount of shots he takes at the rim, an obvious mirror to an fan watching him play and seeming miles more aggressive compared to seasons past. His rebounding numbers make him a top performer at his position as well, with Layman settling in the 80th percentile or better in both offensive and defensive rebounding, per Cleaning the Glass.

The thing to avoid at this juncture is wondering whether Layman is ready to take over the starting position full-time from Harkless. There’s too many factors at play to make that kind of decision, including but not limited to Harkless’ health, attitude, and potential.

But Layman is the kind of player that Portland has needed around Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum on a consistent basis the past few seasons. This Blazers roster is top-heavy, and Stotts has done all he can to try and balance it out by making Turner the leader of the bench squad. Layman stepping up and being a useful wing player — <em>the</em> single most important thing Portland’s lacked since Lillard took over the team — has been a breath of fresh air.

Layman is still young, and he’s liable to have some variance in his performance that no doubt irks the veteran-friendly Stotts. How the young forward has played during trying circumstances, both for the team and for himself, has been admirable. Blazers fans like to latch on to a player or two each season, puff them up larger than their true value, then get their hearts broken when things fall apart. Layman’s statistics support the idea he’s moving in the right direction, and his contribution for Portland this year is as positive as you might hope for from a second round pick.

Who knows if Harkless will come back? Who knows if Stotts might go with Turner as a starter come playoff time? The fact is that Layman deserves his spot in the starting lineup within the context of the Blazers team, and if he continues to keep his head down and know his role he will be an important factor in the second half of the season.
I think with Layman he finally got the mental side of the game down and you can see that the confidence he showing. Plus I think the game has slowed down for him.
 
Layman.....Rank
eFG%.........#1
(tied w/Leonard)
TS%...........#2 (Leonard)
FG%...........#1
3pt%..........#4
(Curry, Leonard, Lillard)
2pt%..........#1 (by a HUGE margin)
FGA..........#10 (the only regular he is ahead of is Meyers)
USG%.......#11 (Very solid numbers for such little use)
PER...........#5
Blk%..........#4
(this was surprising)
WS/48.......#4 (Dame, Nurk, Meyers)

If Jake gets 5 or more FGA in a game, here are the following results:

FG% - .548
3-pt% - .333
(that goes up to .375 minus his one outlier 0-6 bricklaying night on Dec 8)
FT% - .722
Points - 11.23
Rebs - 3.27
MPG - 20:30

Stilk feel this way?

I'll gladly take a couple of guys producing like that at such an efficient level. Think how difficult we would be to defend if more players on the roster were doing so.
 
It's closer to 3 years difference and one year more experience in the NBA than Collins. Anyhow that wasn't my point. My point was simply right now, I have more hopes for Jake than Collins.
No one can take issue with this since it's my feeling and not yours nor anyone else. I do have a right to own my feelings. Had I asserted it to be a fact then you would have a case.
I think Collins will be alright his stats has shown improved over last year. He needed to get stronger still and needs not to think to much out there and will come with experience. But if he wants to be a starter he needs gets foul trouble under control.
 
I think with Layman he finally got the mental side of the game down and you can see that the confidence he showing. Plus I think the game has slowed down for him.
I know one thing, his shooting has improved dramatically.
 
Layman is a current day NBA assassin as his #1 weapon is the 3, and he is instructed to go out and shoot it, its TODAYS GAME. Is #2 weapon is his ability to move and get lose for going to the hoop.

Collins is a different player all together, he's a defensive rim protector with a limited offensive game right now, it will improve big time in a year or two.
His presence defensively has impacted some nice wins against some good teams, so there's more to come. Plus, you have to love the fire he has and the relentless ability to protect the rim.
 
Collins is a different player all together, he's a defensive rim protector with a limited offensive game right now, it will improve big time in a year or two.
His presence defensively has impacted some nice wins against some good teams, so there's more to come. Plus, you have to love the fire he has and the relentless ability to protect the rim.

I wish CJ would get as upset when he is bricklaying as Collins does when he fouls out.
 
I think what makes Layman so intriguing is that the majority of the leagues top off ball guys play below the rim. Klay, Steph, Redick, Korver, etc. If Layman can keep making teams respect his outside shot, he’s going to remain a nightmare cover, because he’s just as much, if not more, of a threat going towards the basket.

Maybe I’m just too optimistic, but it’s probably because we’ve been desperate for a guy like this for years. If teams try and adjust to him, it’ll just become a “pick your poison” scenario, and will make life easier for Dame, CJ, and Nurk.
 
I wish CJ would get as upset when he is bricklaying as Collins does when he fouls out.

Really? I kind of prefer shooters who stay calm and are more emotionally stable. The quicker they forget the better.

Zach, on the other hand, was partially pissed at some of the calls by the refs who fouled him out. I don't mind him getting pissed over that.
 
Jake looks like he's decided to quit trying to fit in with Dame and CJ and is now looking out for Jake.

Getting good production consistently is where Jake has struggled....along with the playing time to prove it.
 
Really? I kind of prefer shooters who stay calm and are more emotionally stable. The quicker they forget the better.

Zach, on the other hand, was partially pissed at some of the calls by the refs who fouled him out. I don't mind him getting pissed over that.

@Pinwheel1 ...agreed a shooter should be a more even keel. Perhaps instead of getting upset, CJ should be more aware and realize that on some nights, almost everyone on his team is shooting better than he is and to get those players more shots. On nights he has it rolling, shoot until your arm falls off. It is that lack of any vision outside his own persona that is bothersome.
 
One thing I like about Jake is that he seems to enjoy playing the game - he seems happy and involved. Harkless, not so much. Just kinda out there doing his job.

Gramps...
Mo reminds me of LaMarcus off the court. Very too himself, chill and quiet.
Jake has a bit of fire. You’ll see him talking smack to the rookies and joking around.
 

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