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OneLifeToLive said:
Im against setting ourselves back 3-4 years. But if there is a way doing such a deal with only setting ourselves back let's say one year. I would probably do it. Like the idea of doing the deal and freeing up cap space. If that cap space could translate into Kevin Love. That's a two for one deal. This is fantasy of course.
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And this is what so many people seem to be missing. Trading LMA for the #1 does not equate to a 1:1 player swap. We aren't replacing LMA with an "unproven rookie". It also gives us a ton of money to sign a vet replacement, or make a lop-sided trade to bring in a replacement.
If you can get Monroe, Pau, West, Boozer, or some other plug-in PF, in addition to the #1 draft pick, we won't see much - if any - of a drop-off next season and will likely have a much better future.
I agree that it's highly unlikely that we'll trade LMA. But if we do it won't be a "rebuilding" move like some seem to think it would be.
 
blue9 said:
And this is what so many people seem to be missing. Trading LMA for the #1 does not equate to a 1:1 player swap. We aren't replacing LMA with an "unproven rookie". It also gives us a ton of money to sign a vet replacement, or make a lop-sided trade to bring in a replacement.
If you can get Monroe, Pau, West, Boozer, or some other plug-in PF, in addition to the #1 draft pick, we won't see much - if any - of a drop-off next season and will likely have a much better future.
I agree that it's highly unlikely that we'll trade LMA. But if we do it won't be a "rebuilding" move like some seem to think it would be.
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I agree with you that it's not as big step back as some make it seem but by keeping Aldridge your playing the "Safe Card" once again. It's a fear thing ya know to get rid of your star players.
 
BigGameDamian said:
I agree with you that it's not as big step back as some make it seem but by keeping Aldridge your playing the "Safe Card" once again. It's a fear thing ya know to get rid of your star players.
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It doesn't have a damned thing to do with fear. It has to do with not being stupid enough to trade one of the best players in the NBA for a fucking draft pick.
 
BigGameDamian said:
I agree with you that it's not as big step back as some make it seem but by keeping Aldridge your playing the "Safe Card" once again. It's a fear thing ya know to get rid of your star players.
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Yes, most GMs would be apprehensive about sending away the team MVP for a 54-win team for an unproven draft pick who might be the next Harrison Barnes. It's not fear, it's called wanting to keep your job.
 
PapaG said:
Yes, most GMs would be apprehensive about sending away the team MVP for a 54-win team for an unproven draft pick who might be the next Harrison Barnes. It's not fear, it's called wanting to keep your job.
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But this Neil Olshey guy is said to have the "Golden Gut".
 
BigGameDamian said:
But this Neil Olshey guy is said to have the "Golden Gut".
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Great. So when he doesn't trade LMA, everyone on this board should realize that Olshey's gut told him it would be a horrible move.
 
BigGameDamian said:
I agree with you that it's not as big step back as some make it seem but by keeping Aldridge your playing the "Safe Card" once again. It's a fear thing ya know to get rid of your star players.
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Yep. You'd still be a horrible GM. lol.
 
Unless Neil believes the player he would take #1 will be better than LMA.
 
Schilly said:
Unless Neil believes the player he would take #1 will be better than LMA.
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Paul Allen wants to win next season, not in 3 years. That would be a hell of a risk.

Anyhow, I believe that Olshey wouldn't make a deal like that without the benefit of hindsight. The posters wanting to get younger aren't judged on a yearly basis by their imaginary trades in Imaginary Trade Land.
 
Of course it's a risk... any draft pick is, any trade is. A GM will always evaluate the situation, simply saying "F*** No" simply because it's a pick is a perfect way to stay mediocre. Taking the pick is a great way to come out like a champ for rolling the dice... or looking like a complete fool. I remember when we had the #1 pick there were a lot of posters that would have preferred the #2, because the risk of messing up on #1.

I personally don't think this team has a ton of ceiling room to improve, maybe some on the bench, but not the starters. Adding a FA makes us a little better, but I don't think it makes us a title contender by any means.
 
PapaG said:
Paul Allen wants to win next season, not in 3 years. That would be a hell of a risk.

Anyhow, I believe that Olshey wouldn't make a deal like that without the benefit of hindsight. The posters wanting to get younger aren't judged on a yearly basis by their imaginary trades in Imaginary Trade Land.
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That was a schilly response.
 
BlazerWookee said:
I can't believe how much time an energy you people are putting in to this.

LAMARCUS WON'T BE TRADED.

The sooner you people get that through your thick skulls, the better.
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If Neil felt about a player in this draft similar to the way KP felt about Kevin Durant in the 07 draft in which he was enamored with him. And he knew he was a sure thing. And he also knew he had an offer on the table to bring him that player and cap relief costing him LA. What do you think he should do?
 
Schilly said:
Of course it's a risk... any draft pick is, any trade is. A GM will always evaluate the situation, simply saying "F*** No" simply because it's a pick is a perfect way to stay mediocre. Taking the pick is a great way to come out like a champ for rolling the dice... or looking like a complete fool. I remember when we had the #1 pick there were a lot of posters that would have preferred the #2, because the risk of messing up on #1.

I personally don't think this team has a ton of ceiling room to improve, maybe some on the bench, but not the starters. Adding a FA makes us a little better, but I don't think it makes us a title contender by any means.
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Yep it doesn't take a lot to know that just some reality.
 
Convincing Wookee to consider a player who is not currently or previously was a blazer is like trying to convince my 8 year old to try blue cheese, but she doesn't yell "Fuck this shit" and pound a coors light.
 
Don't forget that it's not a big mans game anymore, It's a guards & Small forwards game now. While I'm not saying the Blazers should or should not trade Aldridge just wanted to point that out.
 
OneLifeToLive said:
If Neil felt about a player in this draft similar to the way KP felt about Kevin Durant in the 07 draft in which he was enamored with him. And he knew he was a sure thing. And he also knew he had an offer on the table to bring him that player and cap relief costing him LA. What do you think he should do?
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If Neil feels about a player in this draft similar to the way KP felt about Kevin Durant in the 07 draft, then Neil should be heavily medicated, straightjacketed, and chained to a wall in a rubber room.
 
Schilly said:
Convincing Wookee to consider a player who is not currently or previously was a blazer is like trying to convince my 8 year old to try blue cheese, but she doesn't yell "Fuck this shit" and pound a coors light.
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Nicely played, lol.

Drastically overstated, but nicely played...
 
No doubt in my mind that if the next Michael or Lebron or KD was in this draft that Blazers would be looking hard at this. But, does anyone here really see that in this draft? I know people keep talking about it being great, but I just don't see any dominant players here. Embiid is not Hakeem and won't even have a chance to be for several years. Wiggins does look a bit like Harrison F Barnes to me, and Parker looks like the yearly undersized PF that gets picked too early and struggles. I would love to look at this draft and see a future hall of famer, but none of these guys look like that to me. Maybe the Golden Gut sees it differently.

I have no problem trading LMA for a guy that looks to be great some day. I just don't see anyone who fits that description this year.

On a side note, does anyone else feel bad for the Cavs having to make this choice? Any of the top three could end up as busts. I would trade down if I could.
 
Schilly said:
Convincing Wookee to consider a player who is not currently or previously was a blazer is like trying to convince my 8 year old to try blue cheese, but she doesn't yell "Fuck this shit" and pound a coors light.
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Hahahahahaha! Hilarious yet so true! Rep'd!
 
blue9 said:
And this is what so many people seem to be missing. Trading LMA for the #1 does not equate to a 1:1 player swap. We aren't replacing LMA with an "unproven rookie". It also gives us a ton of money to sign a vet replacement, or make a lop-sided trade to bring in a replacement.
If you can get Monroe, Pau, West, Boozer, or some other plug-in PF, in addition to the #1 draft pick, we won't see much - if any - of a drop-off next season and will likely have a much better future.
I agree that it's highly unlikely that we'll trade LMA. But if we do it won't be a "rebuilding" move like some seem to think it would be.
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Bro, it took Lebron and Co a year before they could win the title. How do you think there won't be a drop off when the player who our entire offense is built around is no longer the offensive focus? It takes teams seasons to gel before they become contenders. You really lose cool points when you say Boozer too.... C'mon now... Boozer?? He plays worse D than LMA. It would certainly be a rebuilding move. We'd be rebuilding around Dame. A replacement PF (none of those you name play better D than LMA) and the #1 is not gonna get us a 54 win season in 2014-15. You're selling LMA too short.
 
The Cleveland Cavaliers badly want to return to the playoffs.
Armed with talented players and that number one overall pick, the Cavaliers are again looking to make a splash. Many believe they could try to acquire Minnesota Timberwolves’ power forward Kevin Love with that top overall pick, but that might be too much of a risk at this point.

Chad Ford of ESPN.com believes the Cavaliers aren’t just interested in Love, but could chase several other All-Star big men, including Chicago Bulls’ Joakim Noah, the Portland Trail Blazers’ LaMarcus Aldridge and the Atlanta Hawks’ Al Horford

But I think the Cavs’ preferred route would to be a trade that thins out their roster and adds a young veteran who could immediately lift the Cavs’ long-term chances. The Minnesota Timberwolves’ Kevin Love has been the most often mentioned pickup. But the Cavs also have their eye on several other bigs, including the Chicago Bulls’ Joakim Noah, the Portland Trail Blazers’ LaMarcus Aldridge and the Atlanta Hawks’ Al Horford.

Aldridge looked like a legitimate MVP candidate last season, averaging 23.2 points, 11.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists and 1.0 blocks per game, helping the Trail Blazers reach the second round of the postseason. Horford was limited to just 29 games in the 2013-2014 season, averaging 18.6 points, 8.4 rebounds, 2.6 assists and 1.5 blocks per game.
 
Again, i think it would take pretty much the pick, Soup Juggler, and Thompson to get PA and NO to even think about it.
 
dviss1 said:
Bro, it took Lebron and Co a year before they could win the title. How do you think there won't be a drop off when the player who our entire offense is built around is no longer the offensive focus? It takes teams seasons to gel before they become contenders. You really lose cool points when you say Boozer too.... C'mon now... Boozer?? He plays worse D than LMA. It would certainly be a rebuilding move. We'd be rebuilding around Dame. A replacement PF (none of those you name play better D than LMA) and the #1 is not gonna get us a 54 win season in 2014-15. You're selling LMA too short.
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Even if Blazers return everyone, I doubt the Blazers will win 54-games next season. We have a lot of fortunate breaks this last year. Talent wise, this team is closer to a 45-48 win team.
 
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