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Phatguysrule said:
I don't think the assistants should make that big of a difference. If an assistant is that good just make him the head coach.
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ime udoka, jacque vaughn, and mike d'antoni were crucial for nash last year in BK. he had a lot of trouble with the minor details of coaching and made a ton of mistakes like billups is right now and admitted as much.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't think the assistants should make that big of a difference. If an assistant is that good just make him the head coach.
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Steve Nash sure praised what D'Antoni brought to his rookie season with the Nets as a first time coach...I just think Brooks should know when to call a timeout and when to rotate a fatigued player..when to challenge a call, etc....I think Chauncey will improve as a coach throughout the season but he took over a team without having much of an offensive playbook in my view
 
illmatic99 said:
ime udoka, jacque vaughn, and mike d'antoni were crucial for nash last year in BK. he had a lot of trouble with the minor details of coaching and made a ton of mistakes like billups is right now and admitted as much.
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I get what you're saying, but Nash is in a completely different situation.
 
riverman said:
Steve Nash sure praised what D'Antoni brought to his rookie season with the Nets as a first time coach...I just think Brooks should know when to call a timeout and when to rotate a fatigued player..when to challenge a call, etc....I think Chauncey will improve as a coach throughout the season but he took over a team without having much of an offensive playbook in my view
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That's fine. Our assistant coach isn't the problem with this team. There are a lot of problems.

Problems that were always going to happen with a first year coach.
 
Phatguysrule said:
That's fine. Our assistant coach isn't the problem with this team. There are a lot of problems.

Problems that were always going to happen with a first year coach.
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Our inability to close a game is the problem with this team...part of that is coaching
 
Phatguysrule said:
I get what you're saying, but Nash is in a completely different situation.
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true. That said, the biggest worry for me now is the lack of preparation.

This is something i saw from Stotts' teams and I was super encouraged earlier when Billups scouted the hell out of Phoenix/LA/MEM and blew them all out at home. But games like last night are straight up inexcusable. We looked like we had no idea who the opposing players were and guys were out of place so often. If not for Dame getting hot, that 14 point loss could have been 30. To a bottom feeding WC team missing its best player, while we were rested.

How does that shit happen? First time coach or not, that is worrisome.
 
illmatic99 said:
true. That said, the biggest worry for me now is the lack of preparation.

This is something i saw from Stotts' teams and I was super encouraged earlier when Billups scouted the hell out of Phoenix/LA/MEM and blew them all out at home. But games like last night are straight up inexcusable. We looked like we had no idea who the opposing players were last night and guys were out of place so often. If not for Dame getting hot, that 14 point loss could have been 30. To a bottom feeding WC team missing its best player, while we were rested.

How does that shit happen? First time coach or not, that is worrisome.
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This whole situation is very worrisome. We should not have allowed Olshey to hire another coach. We should not have allowed Olshey to fire Stotts.

We should have fired Olshey and let the new GM make those moves.
 
Phatguysrule said:
This whole situation is very worrisome. We should not have allowed Olshey to hire another coach. We should not have allowed Olshey to fire Stotts.

We should have fired Olshey and let the new GM make those moves.
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the stotts firing was long overdue. that needed to happen. same with the olshey firing.

whether billups was the right hire... i'm not so sure these days.
 
illmatic99 said:
it's not just closing. we routinely spot teams 10-15 pt leads to start the first/third/fourth quarters. that's preparation and focus. and it's been lacking since preseason.
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seems to me that we're about 10-15 pts worse than most teams all season without some miraculous comeback....that could just be what we'll get out of this offense most nights
 
illmatic99 said:
the stotts firing was long overdue. that needed to happen. same with the olshey firing.

whether billups was the right hire... i'm not so sure these days.
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Sure, Stotts was here a long time. It had probably run it's course.

But if Olshey hadn't planned for that eventuality then letting him fire Stotts and hire the next coach was insane, IMO.
 
riverman said:
Being patient with him is where I'm at but he's been less than impressive handling endgame timeouts and rotations and his offensive schemes are anemic at best.....sure he could use a better roster but he's not getting refs to listen to him and he's riding the Dame train......you have to be able to criticize the holes in Chauncey's gameplans just like any coach...my question is how effective has Brooks been as his vet assistant coach?
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That'll be fine. He's not stotts.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Sure, Stotts was here a long time. It had probably run it's course.

But if Olshey hadn't planned for that eventuality then letting him fire Stotts and hire the next coach was insane, IMO.
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The ending of the Stotts era was long overdue. But the Olshey era should have ended before the Stotts era, or at least at the same time. And that time should have been in 2017 after the sweep by the Pels. That series proved categorically that the Dame/CJ back court was a bad idea (proven for the 3rd consecutive season no less), and that Olshey didn't have a fucking clue how to build a playoff roster. The 4 years after that sweep have simply proven those things over and over. And the other thing proven is that Olshey would waste every year of Dame's prime as long as he was GM. This season is just more ditto
 
No doubt Billups has made more than a few mistakes. He'd probably be the first to point them out and I believe he will learn quickly from them.
Most importantly, we have seen flashes of play that we never saw under Stotts, ball moving, some great defense, just not consistent yet.
I have a good feeling about this....
 
HomerLovesKoolAid said:
No doubt Billups has made more than a few mistakes. He'd probably be the first to point them out and I believe he will learn quickly from them.
Most importantly, we have seen flashes of play that we never saw under Stotts, ball moving, some great defense, just not consistent yet.
I have a good feeling about this....
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I hope you're right but when it comes to ball movement...it's moving to the other teams hands way too much and suddenly we suck at free throws....go figure?
 
I don't know if it means something, but in his first season as a HC in Portland Stotts was 33-49 (17-15 at this point).
He had LaLiar, Batum, Wes, Barton and 1st year Lillard. It is not really bad S5.
Team collapsed after ASG and I don't remember why.
Also, there was no Vanterpool on the bench.
What he had was some years of exp.
What was his rep on the forum after first season I wonder.
 
royo said:
I don't know if it means something, but in his first season as a HC in Portland Stotts was 33-49 (17-15 at this point).
He had LaLiar, Batum, Wes, Barton and 1st year Lillard. It is not really bad S5.
Team collapsed after ASG and I don't remember why.
Also, there was no Vanterpool on the bench.
What he had was some years of exp.
What was his rep on the forum after first season I wonder.
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Reminder of what the lineups looked like down the stretch of that season...

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Phatguysrule said:
He's a first year coach. The guy knows basketball. No question about that. But he's not a great coach. He was never going to be a great coach this season. Likely not next season either...

In fact, I doubt that he'll ever be a great coach for Portland. Maybe at his next job.

Hiring a first year coach to get Dame where he wants to go was an incredibly bad idea.
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Is it weird being one of like 3 sane people in this joint?
 
Wade Garrett said:
Chauncey will struggle as coach as long as half the team is 6-4 and under.
Anybody would.
From the time we were all small children, we realized basketball is for tall people.
Our previous GM never got that memo.
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Very good point but some things can be fixed that have nothing to do with roster size.
I’m looking for those things as well.
 
HomerLovesKoolAid said:
No doubt Billups has made more than a few mistakes. He'd probably be the first to point them out and I believe he will learn quickly from them.
Most importantly, we have seen flashes of play that we never saw under Stotts, ball moving, some great defense, just not consistent yet.
I have a good feeling about this....
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Problem I have with this is he has not been learning?
He making the same mistakes game after game and night after night.
 
wizenheimer said:
The ending of the Stotts era was long overdue. But the Olshey era should have ended before the Stotts era, or at least at the same time. And that time should have been in 2017 after the sweep by the Pels. That series proved categorically that the Dame/CJ back court was a bad idea (proven for the 3rd consecutive season no less), and that Olshey didn't have a fucking clue how to build a playoff roster. The 4 years after that sweep have simply proven those things over and over. And the other thing proven is that Olshey would waste every year of Dame's prime as long as he was GM. This season is just more ditto
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Holiday gave Lillard nightmares that series.
 
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