Event The coming trade war

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in

How does the trade war end?

  • It won't start - this will be like Trumps ban on trans people in the military - just a tweet-fart

    Votes: 9 40.9%

  • It won't actually be more than a ripple - no one will remember it a couple of months from now

    Votes: 1 4.5%

  • It will MAGA - revitalize American manufacturing and the economy will boom

    Votes: 5 22.7%

  • It will bring on a worldwide recession if not depression, and/or military conflicts

    Votes: 7 31.8%
  • Total voters
    22
  • Poll closed .
e_blazer said:
Why the hell would a pirate care about trade wars? More opportunities for heists, me thinks.
Click to expand...

No, trade wars reduce exports, which reduce shipping volumes. It's a bad thing for a pirate.

barfo
 
I remember years ago, implementing a process control system at Reynolds's Aluminum back when we had about 5 Aluminum smelters along the Columbia
River. The process control system helped save big costs in Electricity needed in the smelting process. But not long after, BPA raised the rates. Then did it again,
no more smelters.

Not at all sure what tariffs are going to do to fix that issue. But it will be interesting to see where we go. I bet it will be something else that actually gets fixed.
 
I never did understand why we gave that business away as a Nation. Aluminum I mean. Our own government ran them out of business.
It was the rate hikes by the BPA under Clinton that drove the final nail. Rate hikes for shipping on the Columbia too were really painful. Wheat down the river, fertilizer up the river all took a huge hit. Fertilizer dang near doubled over in the inland area. All due rate hike to the shipping by our government.
 
Last edited:
Man it would be funny if we had a giant infrastructure project, which included massive amount of cheap power. So we could again have the lowest cost Aluminum
and even Electric Steel! Like the foundry Portland had at one time that was the master at producing Nuclear power plant parts.

Then we wouldn't need tariffs. But Trump isn't smart enough to do anything like on that nature.
 
MarAzul said:
Man it would be funny if we had a giant infrastructure project, which included massive amount of cheap power. So we could again have the lowest cost Aluminum
and even Electric Steel! Like the foundry Portland had at one time that was the master at producing Nuclear power plant parts.

Then we wouldn't need tariffs. But Trump isn't smart enough to do anything like on that nature.
Click to expand...

Amazon, Apple, and Google have all located large server farms here because of low price electricity. I'm not sure if an increase in electricity rates is what hurt the aluminum industry.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I'm not sure if an increase in electricity rates is what hurt
Click to expand...

:smiley-pat:
Yeah, I suppose it is logical. The salient cost of production increasing should not be a factor. The previous projects to automate the process were just intellectual exorcises for giggles. Just to see if the massive electricity costs could be reduced. At one plant, can't remember which now, we reduce the power cost to just about half, But the BPA just ate it with rate increases.

Well I suppose you have another reason. Other than productions costs plus a profit, exceeding sales revenue.
 
MarAzul said:
:smiley-pat:
Yeah, I suppose it is logical. The salient cost of production increasing should not be a factor. The previous projects to automate the process were just intellectual exorcises for giggles. Just to see if the massive electricity costs could be reduced. At one plant, can't remember which now, we reduce the power cost to just about half, But the BPA just ate it with rate increases.

Well I suppose you have another reason. Other than productions costs plus a profit, exceeding sales revenue.
Click to expand...
Nah, those were just more outdated jobs that we sent out of the country because we could. We had to if we had any chance of staffing all the Starbucks and Walmarts we have. Thanks to Clinton and the Bush "Republicans" as they called themselves.


Good thing too because it was cool as shit seeing those Chinese built bridge pieces floated all the way to San Fran sicko. Haven't seen a story lately describing how bad that bridge is falling apart. I'll go look now.
 
barfo said:
No, trade wars reduce exports, which reduce shipping volumes. It's a bad thing for a pirate.

barfo
Click to expand...

Export volume will stay the same, but now the exports will be FROM America.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Amazon, Apple, and Google have all located large server farms here because of low price electricity. I'm not sure if an increase in electricity rates is what hurt the aluminum industry.
Click to expand...

To be more accurate, at least in Beautiful Central Oregon, they relocate here due to the average climate which provides enough natural cooling that they don't need as much electricity.

They still burn a humongous amount of electricity, but they bribe local government to give them a "deal" which means residential users pay the bulk of the costs through their monthly electric bill. Same with the property tax breaks they all get, passed on to residential owners.

As a Realtor, I am ethically required to inform clients wishing to live in Prineville for example, their electricity cost will become ridiculous over the next decade.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.me...-but-questions-remain-about-subpar-steel/amp/

Didn't read yet, newest story I found.
Click to expand...

Man that is nuts! A 6.5B project and you buy unknown steel? 32 of 96 rods fail! The Cal trans engineer sounds like a complete ass! Yield is low but ultimate strength is the same? Utter bs. They should just fire the devious ass. But they won't. Just retire him if the fucking bridge falls in the bay, with pension of course.

On the MarAzul, the keel fins are structured of Chromoly 4130 steel. Twelve rods tie the fins mounting plates to the ballast hanging below on these 12 rods.
Critical application and I did not buy these from India. The price was about 40% more but the first requirement was Made in USA. Germany or Sweden would be alright too, but nobody supplies stock stuff from there, US, India or China. Years ago it came from Japan but I think India and China have run them out of the cheap steel market.

Stainless Steel. Holy hell you must watch what you get there and from where . Snap Shackles are used in several applications on the MarAzul. Made of 316 SS, and
if you get these made in China, you have no idea what the load carrying capacity is. You can be sure it is not very much. I have never broken one made in the US
of 316 SS. Can't say that of the other, several failed now. They were pretty cool when they first became available, nine bucks for one suitable for 1/2" Dacron line.
As opposed to $25! But wow! If you can't trust them, nothing cool about that.

Now there are no US suppliers for these, so I had to replace the Chinese stuff with others from England. Tariffs is not going to fix what has already been run out of business in this country.

Correction. The Snap Shackles from England are actually from New Zealand. So US tariffs
might not be entirely helping US industry only. But I can't see the global picture here.
 
Last edited:
barfo said:
Drop your cocks and grab your socks boys - we are off to war.

barfo
Click to expand...

That President of ours is the King of the stupid people.
 
MarAzul said:
Man that is nuts! A 6.5B project and you buy unknown steel? 32 of 96 rods fail! The Cal trans engineer sounds like a complete ass! Yield is low but ultimate strength is the same? Utter bs. They should just fire the devious ass. But they won't. Just retire him if the fucking bridge falls in the bay, with pension of course.

On the MarAzul, the keel fins are structured of Chromoly 4130 steel. Twelve rods tie the fins mounting plates to the ballast hanging below on these 12 rods.
Critical application and I did not buy these from India. The price was about 40% more but the first requirement was Made in USA. Germany or Sweden would be alright too, but nobody supplies stock stuff from there, US, India or China. Years ago it came from Japan but I think India and China have run them out of the cheap steel market.

Stainless Steel. Holy hell you must watch what you get there and from where . Snap Shackles are used in several applications on the MarAzul. Made of 316 SS, and
if you get these made in China, you have no idea what the load carrying capacity is. You can be sure it is not very much. I have never broken one made in the US
of 316 SS. Can't say that of the other, several failed now. They were pretty cool when they first became available, nine bucks for one suitable for 1/2" Dacron line.
As opposed to $25! But wow! If you can't trust them, nothing cool about that.

Now there are no US suppliers for these, so I had to replace the Chinese stuff with others from England. Tariffs is not going to fix what has already been run out of business in this country.

Correction. The Snap Shackles from England are actually from New Zealand. So US tariffs
might not be entirely helping US industry only. But I can't see the global picture here.
Click to expand...
I don't know what they are made of but there are steel pins on the frame machine where I used to work that are about 2, 2.5 inches in diameter.

They are the pivot for the pulling towers and a hydraulic ram is used for power. Maybe 7 tons of force on a max pull?

Anyway, one sheared off a few years ago and none of us had ever seen it happen. Looked like the pin had a flaw and it finally broke.

At the county fair my wife wanted to go on an old ass ride where you hang suspended in a little cabin. Had what looked like the exact same pin. I passed.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Had what looked like the exact same pin. I passed.
Click to expand...

Yes, I really really hate to see my young ones get on some of this shit they call rides. Especially the older stuff, as they just use it until it fails.

Some of these should be forcible retired.
And going back to what that Cal trans Engineer said that was so blatantly bad, the yield might be low but the ultimate strength is the same.
Well think over your pin while I make a few points.

Steel actually gets stronger with use over time, IF the yield in never exceeded. Yield is the stress point where the metal begins to deform. It can bend or flex to this point, stretch to this point and return to the original shape. If it stresses exceed the yield strength then it will permanently deform in shape. In either case, steel work hardens as it flex and be comes stronger, probable flexing less with the increased hardness but still returning to the original shape. Deforming it also gets harder but it does not return to the original shape of it's own metal memory. It is deformed back again by stresses and hardening some more. This process does not take long before it is too hard and cracks reducing the cross section of materials resisting the load until failure occurs catastrophically. Bang!

It is also well know that even while staying within yield or plastic load flexing, and the associated hardening, there is a cycle life to this process where too many cycles will harden the steel to the cracking point. So it is a matter of time and how rapid the cycles occur. Cycle once a day, probably Centuries of duty, but 5 a second and you better predict the failure time and replace well prior to that. Variations in between.

You have no doubt used this before, bending a hunk of wire back and forth until you break off a length.
 
Last edited:
MarAzul said:
I never did understand why we gave that business away as a Nation. Aluminum I mean. Our own government ran them out of business.
It was the rate hikes by the BPA under Clinton that drove the final nail. Rate hikes for shipping on the Columbia too were really painful. Wheat down the river, fertilizer up the river all took a huge hit. Fertilizer dang near doubled over in the inland area. All due rate hike to the shipping by our government.
Click to expand...

That's not exactly fair, Marzy. Aluminum used to do most of their smelting when we had lots of water and when other demands were low, such as weekends and at night. Now, we've got Global Warming and less snow pack resulting in less water.

Also, Eastern Oregon now consumes about 80% of the water withdrawn from our rivers which again means less water.

Water is what drives our electricity. No water means higher rates. It's Econ 101, which I took. Easiest class I ever took.
 
MarAzul said:
Man that is nuts! A 6.5B project and you buy unknown steel? 32 of 96 rods fail! The Cal trans engineer sounds like a complete ass! Yield is low but ultimate strength is the same? Utter bs. They should just fire the devious ass. But they won't. Just retire him if the fucking bridge falls in the bay, with pension of course.

On the MarAzul, the keel fins are structured of Chromoly 4130 steel. Twelve rods tie the fins mounting plates to the ballast hanging below on these 12 rods.
Critical application and I did not buy these from India. The price was about 40% more but the first requirement was Made in USA. Germany or Sweden would be alright too, but nobody supplies stock stuff from there, US, India or China. Years ago it came from Japan but I think India and China have run them out of the cheap steel market.

Stainless Steel. Holy hell you must watch what you get there and from where . Snap Shackles are used in several applications on the MarAzul. Made of 316 SS, and
if you get these made in China, you have no idea what the load carrying capacity is. You can be sure it is not very much. I have never broken one made in the US
of 316 SS. Can't say that of the other, several failed now. They were pretty cool when they first became available, nine bucks for one suitable for 1/2" Dacron line.
As opposed to $25! But wow! If you can't trust them, nothing cool about that.

Now there are no US suppliers for these, so I had to replace the Chinese stuff with others from England. Tariffs is not going to fix what has already been run out of business in this country.

Correction. The Snap Shackles from England are actually from New Zealand. So US tariffs
might not be entirely helping US industry only. But I can't see the global picture here.
Click to expand...

Marzy, my nephew-in-law used to work extensively in China. I heard many horror stories about their quality. My wife and I buy nothing from China unless it's third party as part of something assembled elsewhere and we don't know it. If there's a fabulous car that we find is made of Chinese steel, we'll buy something else.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

SlyPokerDog
Oregon State, Oregon agree not to use the term ‘Civil War’ for its sports rivalry games
7 8 9
Replies
253
Views
19K
wizenheimer
wizenheimer
BoBoBREWSKI
Civil War Scenario
2
Replies
30
Views
2K
Natebishop3
Natebishop3
Nikolokolus
War is Peace
Replies
14
Views
934
BlazerCaravan
BlazerCaravan
barfo
  • Poll Poll
Event Are you cannon fodder?
Replies
8
Views
592
Chris Craig
Chris Craig
NewsSource
Tea Party GOP Rep. Mo Brooks Says Dems Have "War on Whites"
Replies
6
Views
380
DaLincolnJones
DaLincolnJones

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top