Event The coming trade war

[MarAzul]

Horn in? Not my intention.

That was a weak attempt at a chuckle Lanny.
But there are supporter in this forum.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Tariffs in general don't work. It's a stupid policy, especially when the countries you are imposing tariffs on can inflict pain on other parts of our economy that matter a lot more than steel and aluminum production.

EDIT: and for a country that is as consumer driven as ours is, that imports so much shit from China and other countries, that cost is going to get shunted on to us. This is going to dampen economic output.

Did you read this? http://www.idealtaxes.com/post3097.shtml

Negotiating a better trade position with these guys is crucial. Their economy is far to strong to ignore their egregious trade practices. To take a stance on TWO ITEMS is not the end of the world, regardless of MCLSD and their ilk say.

Just the fact that he is willing to take a stand is huge.

 

[MarAzul]

That is another reason why I trust Boeing airplanes.

>>> I do too. I got to point where I would not get on a Lockheed aircraft. I knew Boeing did extensive cycle time stress testing. It was readily apparent to me
that Lockheed had not done as much as needed when those rear engines were breaking off.

Boeing actually shook a few planes apart to get the data on component metal fatigue. Lockheed relied much more on computer analysis alone for awhile.

By the way, did you know that airlines have their own engineers who make changes to their airplanes under the supervision of the FAA?

Yeah, and some don't. Those turn into real junk. One of my trips to Europe, a return flight from UK to New York, was on one of the original 747's. Pan Am bought the first batch and one of them was my ride. Holy shit! that thing was loose everywhere, I mean rattles all over the place, real nerve racking. I think that was the year Pan Am shut their doors. Just as well because I was not going to do one of those again. Not Boeing's fault though, lack of maintenance by Pan Am. But you know, I do not think Pan Am lost any one of that first batch of 747s,

 

[CupWizier]

That was a weak attempt at a chuckle Lanny.
But there are supporter in this forum.

There are times and places where nothing might be better than posting senseless drivel. Your post above is one of those times.

 

[MarAzul]

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

There are times and places where nothing might be better than posting senseless drivel. Your post above is one of those times.

I've learned so so so much from you in this thread. Thanks for keeping me informed while I skip by all @MarAzul stupid engineering mumbo jumbo.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

>>> I do too. I got to point where I would not get on a Lockheed aircraft. I knew Boeing did extensive cycle time stress testing. It was readily apparent to me
that Lockheed had not done as much as needed when those rear engines were breaking off.

Boeing actually shook a few planes apart to get the data on component metal fatigue. Lockheed relied much more on computer analysis alone for awhile.



Yeah, and some don't. Those turn into real junk. One of my trips to Europe, a return flight from UK to New York, was on one of the original 747's. Pan Am bought the first batch and one of them was my ride. Holy shit! that thing was loose everywhere, I mean rattles all over the place, real nerve racking. I think that was the year Pan Am shut their doors. Just as well because I was not going to do one of those again. Not Boeing's fault though, lack of maintenance by Pan Am. But you know, I do not think Pan Am lost any one of that first batch of 747s,

I flew first class from Portland to Vegas on united 6 or 7 years ago. Don't remember the plane except that it sounded like it would explode at any second. The flight attendants buckled in and one turned to the other and said "I hate this plane"

FUCK ME

 

[MarAzul]

No water means higher rates. It's Econ 101, which I took.

Oh, I think it is pretty accurate. Econ 101 comes in as to how the BPA run the Aluminum industry out. They raised there rate too fucking high to usable for smelting Aluminum.

Now it gets worse here, you are speaking to an old sailor, was up the river last year during spring run off. It still runs above flood stage like it always has.
I also worked with the Corps back in my days in Portland. The river flow tracking system was set up then. I pop over to the Corps to see how the River flows are actually doing.

"“The dams in the reservoir system are operating as designed,” said Steve Barton, Chief of the U.S Army Corps of Engineers Columbia Basin Water Management Division. “To meet flood risk management requirements for the spring runoff, about 3 million acre-feet of water must be released from the storage dams by April 30. This is enough water to cover the state of Massachusetts in about 6 inches of water.” How these releases impact river stages will largely depend upon weather and snowmelt."

Yep the river is still flowing like hell much of the time. The Aluminum smelter only ever worked when the flows were high. Those smelter only received power from
dam turbines, they never ran when other power sources were needed to support the load on the BPA grid. Geez! one smelter pot was like a short circuit.
The bus bar running down to anode in the pot were huge copper bars, not wire.

So, the river flows really heavy 5 to 6 months of the year, the first part of the year, to get ready for spring run off, then until about July something to handle the run off. We ain't doing Jack with the excess capacity during this time.

http://www.nwd.usace.army.mil/Media...r-and-manage-columbia-basin-river-and-reserv/

I thought you needed another chance to respond. Econ101 was a little shallow.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I flew first class from Portland to Vegas on united 6 or 7 years ago. Don't remember the plane except that it sounded like it would explode at any second. The flight attendants buckled in and one turned to the other and said "I hate this plane"

FUCK ME

Took a military hop from DC to VA on an old DC3. The thing looked like it should have been used for spare parts. Nylon mesh seats and all. The thing was not running well when we boarded and of course the weather was stormy so you know we had to lose an engine and limp in. I have been on fifty year old float planes, landed on mud puddles where wing tips serve as brakes, but that DC3 scared the shit out of me, swear to God, the landing was dancing on the chalk of being a crash. Get off the plane om the far end of the runway, and their are emergency vehicles and a tow rig to pull the plane. About ten of us standing around stunned, and the pilot says, meh, standard ops when we lose an engine.

Needless to say we all went for a drink.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Took a military hop from DC to VA on an old DC3. The thing looked like it should have been used for spare parts. Nylon mesh seats and all. The thing was not running well when we boarded and of course the weather was stormy so you know we had to lose an engine and limp in. I have been on fifty year old float planes, landed on mud puddles where wing tips serve as brakes, but that DC3 scared the shit out of me, swear to God, the landing was dancing on the chalk of being a crash. Get off the plane om the far end of the runway, and their are emergency vehicles and a tow rig to pull the plane. About ten of us standing around stunned, and the pilot says, meh, standard ops when we lose an engine.

Needless to say we all went for a drink.

Bombed my old 97 grand marquis to work doing 75 on the freeway on a Friday morning. Friday afternoon I back the car out of the spot and start to turn. Front balljoint comes apart and the wheel jams into the fender. Lucky mother fucker. Almost died of heat stroke pressing the new joint in at the parking lot. Middle of summer

 

[MarAzul]

Nylon mesh seats

I got a lift in one with seats like that, an RB17, real junk. Geez, I learned to just hate flying, I avoid it like the plague even now.
The only planes I ever felt secure in were new 747s and 767s. Too many near disasters in the rest of the lot. The L-1011 being the worst by far.

 

[MarAzul]

Front balljoint comes apart and the wheel jams into the fender

Yeah, but do you not feel like one luck SOB, having this go down at 2 miles an hour? I had a tie rod fall off the right wheel on an old Ford PU, while I was backing out my driveway. Damn! I was sure it was divine intervention.

 

[Denny Crane]

Seems to me Trump is addressing a real and important issue. I'm not sure I agree with his approach, but none of his predecessors have done much about it.

China is a creditor nation. They buy our bonds that we have to issue to pay for Obama's (and all his predecessors, but mostly his) debt. Sure, we take in a little bit of their cash = ~$1.2T at any given time, but we're sending them $400B in trade surplus and we're sending them interest on their $1.2T, too.

China has long been known to steal our intellectual property. There are even fake Apple Stores in China that steal every idea for making such stores. They steal our movies and resell them so our movie companies make $0. They steal designs for our high tech and make cheap clones and dump those here. Their economy is literally based upon slave labor. Only 1/3 of their people are considered middle class. Our trade deficit with them cannot grow indefinitely, or it will consume our entire GDP. Last year, it grew by 8%, far greater than the rate of inflation.

The $400B in trade surplus funds their entire military budget and then some. Meanwhile, we have to punish our own citizens with taxes (it's called a tax BURDEN for good reason) to pay interest to them and to cover our military expenses.

It began under GHW Bush, and became a problem under Clinton, and it's grown without any plan on our part.

The only good thing for us is that the shit we buy that's made with Chinese slave labor is dirt cheap, which does improve our standard of living. But at what cost?

The cost of using US (Union!) labor is higher prices. But we get what we really want, right? Fair wages for people who work, and better jobs and less need for dependency on food stamps.

Those who oppose what Trump's trying to do surely support slave labor and sending all that money to China, right? Or at least tell us what you would do instead that addresses these real issues.

Like I said, I'm not sure I agree with tariffs. On the other hand, Trump's economic agenda has been remarkably good.

 

[MarAzul]

Like I said, I'm not sure I agree with tariffs. On the other hand, Trump's economic agenda has been remarkably good.

Hang on! We are going for a ride! But then maybe not. The discussion just got underway.

 

[Sedatedfork]

oh look a trade thread without any posts by BGD.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Yeah, but do you not feel like one luck SOB, having this go down at 2 miles an hour? I had a tie rod fall off the right wheel on an old Ford PU, while I was backing out my driveway. Damn! I was sure it was divine intervention.

Fuck yeah I was lucky. It was literally 3 seconds of operation time when it fell apart. I figured the heat held it together on the freeway and then it cooled.

 

[Lanny]

>>> I do too. I got to point where I would not get on a Lockheed aircraft. I knew Boeing did extensive cycle time stress testing. It was readily apparent to me
that Lockheed had not done as much as needed when those rear engines were breaking off.

Boeing actually shook a few planes apart to get the data on component metal fatigue. Lockheed relied much more on computer analysis alone for awhile.



Yeah, and some don't. Those turn into real junk. One of my trips to Europe, a return flight from UK to New York, was on one of the original 747's. Pan Am bought the first batch and one of them was my ride. Holy shit! that thing was loose everywhere, I mean rattles all over the place, real nerve racking. I think that was the year Pan Am shut their doors. Just as well because I was not going to do one of those again. Not Boeing's fault though, lack of maintenance by Pan Am. But you know, I do not think Pan Am lost any one of that first batch of 747s,

Hey, I walked by the jumbo jets that they checked for compression/decompression every day on my way into the building and on my way to my car to go home, where we built those things. They would run those tests thousands of times trying to figure out where the fatigue would present a problem first.

Like I say, I feel very safe in a Boeing airplane. I helped build the best damn planes in the world and we were all proud of them!

 

[Lanny]

Fuck yeah I was lucky. It was literally 3 seconds of operation time when it fell apart. I figured the heat held it together on the freeway and then it cooled.

I had the linkage to my brake pedal come apart while I was driving on Hwy 99 in Tigard. Had to use my emergency brake to stop the car. Thank God, I was just starting up from a traffic light so I wasn't going too fast.

Another time my floor mat got stuck on the gas pedal and the engine was racing with my foot hard pressed on the brake. Took me half a minute to figure out what was going on and that I wasn't going to crash.

 

[Lanny]

Seems to me Trump is addressing a real and important issue. I'm not sure I agree with his approach, but none of his predecessors have done much about it.

China is a creditor nation. They buy our bonds that we have to issue to pay for Obama's (and all his predecessors, but mostly his) debt. Sure, we take in a little bit of their cash = ~$1.2T at any given time, but we're sending them $400B in trade surplus and we're sending them interest on their $1.2T, too.

China has long been known to steal our intellectual property. There are even fake Apple Stores in China that steal every idea for making such stores. They steal our movies and resell them so our movie companies make $0. They steal designs for our high tech and make cheap clones and dump those here. Their economy is literally based upon slave labor. Only 1/3 of their people are considered middle class. Our trade deficit with them cannot grow indefinitely, or it will consume our entire GDP. Last year, it grew by 8%, far greater than the rate of inflation.

The $400B in trade surplus funds their entire military budget and then some. Meanwhile, we have to punish our own citizens with taxes (it's called a tax BURDEN for good reason) to pay interest to them and to cover our military expenses.

It began under GHW Bush, and became a problem under Clinton, and it's grown without any plan on our part.

The only good thing for us is that the shit we buy that's made with Chinese slave labor is dirt cheap, which does improve our standard of living. But at what cost?

The cost of using US (Union!) labor is higher prices. But we get what we really want, right? Fair wages for people who work, and better jobs and less need for dependency on food stamps.

Those who oppose what Trump's trying to do surely support slave labor and sending all that money to China, right? Or at least tell us what you would do instead that addresses these real issues.

Like I said, I'm not sure I agree with tariffs. On the other hand, Trump's economic agenda has been remarkably good.

Better to not do anything than to do the wrong thing.

The China issue is real and needs to be addressed but what we need is a precision rifle and not a scatter gun.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Fuck yeah I was lucky. It was literally 3 seconds of operation time when it fell apart. I figured the heat held it together on the freeway and then it cooled.

funny, I am not a fan of "Me Too" stories, I drove my Mountaineer home the other night like I have foe a few years. It has been whining a bit, and of coarse I have been putting it off. Thinking that it could be a CV , not all that worried. So I get home after the 15 mile drive and as I turn in the drive it starts the big clunk..grind grind grind thing...I have never had one totally let lose, but the next trip it will make is two blocks away to the repair shop.
I have no problem meeting God, Just do not want him to make fun of me for punching my own ticket early.

 

[MarAzul]

Hey, I walked by the jumbo jets that they checked for compression/decompression every day on my way into the building where we built those things. They would run those tests thousands of times trying to figure out where the fatigue would present a problem.

Like I say, I feel very safe in a Boeing airplane.

Back in my days in Portland one of my last jobs before I worked full time on building a Transportation industry Freight and Equipment tacking system, was working with a company name EDP Central. They provide interactive online support for who might want such. Well it turns out, a some what, consortium of engineers did.
So this EDP outfit hire me to build what this consortium needed. These guys were from Boeing, Skidmore Owings & Merril, and Gunderson Bro Engineering.
With help and knowledge of these guys, seven or eight total, I put up a structural analysis program to test structures in various materials and then the ability to write code in PL1 inter actively to created stress testing software. Could not run it meaningfully online just test that it would work and give results. Not enough power to do the actually test, that took a dedicated mainframe, but that's how some of it got built. I only got a little feed back from time to time after that, but I do remember seeing a video, movie or something about how Boeing stress those planes. I took a warm feeling out of it for doing a little.

 

[Lanny]

Took a military hop from DC to VA on an old DC3. The thing looked like it should have been used for spare parts. Nylon mesh seats and all. The thing was not running well when we boarded and of course the weather was stormy so you know we had to lose an engine and limp in. I have been on fifty year old float planes, landed on mud puddles where wing tips serve as brakes, but that DC3 scared the shit out of me, swear to God, the landing was dancing on the chalk of being a crash. Get off the plane om the far end of the runway, and their are emergency vehicles and a tow rig to pull the plane. About ten of us standing around stunned, and the pilot says, meh, standard ops when we lose an engine.

Needless to say we all went for a drink.

Took a military hop from DC to VA on an old DC3. The thing looked like it should have been used for spare parts. Nylon mesh seats and all. The thing was not running well when we boarded and of course the weather was stormy so you know we had to lose an engine and limp in. I have been on fifty year old float planes, landed on mud puddles where wing tips serve as brakes, but that DC3 scared the shit out of me, swear to God, the landing was dancing on the chalk of being a crash. Get off the plane om the far end of the runway, and their are emergency vehicles and a tow rig to pull the plane. About ten of us standing around stunned, and the pilot says, meh, standard ops when we lose an engine.

Needless to say we all went for a drink.

I flew around Vietnam in cargo planes outfitted with nylon mesh seats. During every trip we could hear enemy flak shooting at us. I thought it was the sound of the engine at the time. It was only later that I learned it was the sound lf flak from some guys trying to kill us.

We flew into Vietnam on a Pan Am flight complete with stewardesses. Every seat was tourist and we were all in our fatigues. Opened the door and as we exited the plane it felt like opening an oven door to take a peek inside at whatever is baking. God it was hot. Most of those guys went into combat the next day. It was longer for me. First, they lost my records. Then, I had some additional electronics training. Sent me out to a machine gun with a can of ammo and that was the first time I ever saw an M60 machine gun. I was trained as an electronics technician, dammit. Everybody got to carry a rifle when I was there in '68. Well, that, fill sandbags and burn human shit.

Life can be better state side, that's for sure. So, count your lucky stars you don't have to visit the VA hospital the majority of every week for the rest of my life.

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

 

[Lanny]

That was a weak attempt at a chuckle Lanny.
But there are supporter in this forum.

I was not trying to get a chuckle and the supporters I was referring to are not the ones in this forum. You're going to have to take my word on that one.

 

[MarAzul]

I was not trying to get a chuckle and the supporters I was referring to are not the ones in this forum. You're going to have to take my word on that one.

Ok ok. But it was me trying to get the chuckle. Sort of failed.

 

[MarAzul]

So, count your lucky stars you don't have to visit the VA hospital the majority of every week for the rest of my life.

I have been work hard to learn to live with the inner workings of the VA. Have to do it now, that is all I have left.

 

[jonnyboy]

Barfo is the coming trade war before or after the coming nuclear war and the sky falling? Or between the two? WW3 is on the Trump itinerary somewhere too. So much disaster, so little time. How's he gonna get it all done? Fuck, he has to raise the sea levels to the statue of liberty's tits as well. Im just not sure he can get it all done man.

 

[barfo]

Barfo is the coming trade war before or after the coming nuclear war and the sky falling? Or between the two? WW3 is on the Trump itinerary somewhere too. So much disaster, so little time. How's he gonna get it all done? Fuck, he has to raise the sea levels to the statue of liberty's tits as well. Im just not sure he can get it all done man.

Well, the trade war (easy to win!) was announced first, so I assumed that was priority one. But it sounds tonight like Trump is chickening out.

barfo

 

[riverman]

I flew around Vietnam in cargo planes outfitted with nylon mesh seats. During every trip we could hear enemy flak shooting at us. I thought it was the sound of the engine at the time. It was only later that I learned it was the sound lf flak from some guys trying to kill us.

We flew into Vietnam on a Pan Am flight complete with stewardesses. Every seat was tourist and we were all in our fatigues. Opened the door and as we exited the plane it felt like opening an oven door to take a peek inside at whatever is baking. God it was hot. Most of those guys went into combat the next day. It was longer for me. First, they lost my records. Then, I had some additional electronics training. Sent me out to a machine gun with a can of ammo and that was the first time I ever saw an M60 machine gun. I was trained as an electronics technician, dammit. Everybody got to carry a rifle when I was there in '68. Well, that, fill sandbags and burn human shit.

Life can be better state side, that's for sure. So, count your lucky stars you don't have to visit the VA hospital the majority of every week for the rest of my life.

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

I flew into Danang for my first tour in one of those pregnant belly cargo planes out of Subic Bay....with the nylon mesh seats....missles rolling back and forth on the ceiling the whole way there....arrived in Danang under mortar attack in my Navy whites scared shitless.....remember drinking a coca cola out of a rusty can luke warm while waiting for a Huey to take me out to the command ship.....

 

[jonnyboy]

Well, the trade war (easy to win!) was announced first, so I assumed that was priority one. But it sounds tonight like Trump is chickening out.

barfo

There goes my boner.

 

[BrianFromWA]

oh look a trade thread without any posts by BGD.

I am waiting on the Bones special 8-country, 32-item tariff deal.