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Off subject, no I am not in favor of farm or any subsidies that have been in place too long. To pay a farmer to not grow a crop...well that was a great idea in the thirties, to show an aid farmers to halt the spread of the dust bowl (soil erosion). But that has outlived its purpose.. Why are we paying dairy farmers monies? am for looking at all these pork barrel bull shit programs.
+1, though I can't imagine any politician having the balls to say it before being elected. Wish we could get stuff like that going in our country. I think we can pay for a lot to help people out, with money that's already spent and wasted on shit.
 
Because a lot of Americans don't care for the work that it does,

Quakers are pacifists. They still have to pay tax dollars that go to the military.

and because there are dozens of other channels that exist without federal subsidies,

Yes, but they don't do the same thing. By definition, no commercial station can do what a non-commercial station does. I think ads in childrens programming are particularly pernicious. And commercial stations are less adventurous because they're beholden to the whims of advertisers. There's a reason no other station produced Sesame Street.

and because there's a very good chance that the effort could go on and make up for the gap in funding either by tightening its belt or by raising additional money.

It has been doing that for years. Which is why (a) it's a huge red herring because, as Neil deGrasse Tyson put it: "Cutting PBS support (0.012% of budget) to help balance the Federal budget is like deleting text files to make room on your 500Gig hard drive", and (b) personally I think it's already been ruined by said Chuck-E-Cheese bullshit.

You know Romney doesn't give a shit about saving money because he's already said he wants to give the military more than they even want (so we can go back to thousand dollar toilet seats). No, this is a bone to the wingnut base who genuinely believe that Big Bird is a communist and Bert and Ernie promote homosexuality.
 
+1, though I can't imagine any politician having the balls to say it before being elected. Wish we could get stuff like that going in our country. I think we can pay for a lot to help people out, with money that's already spent and wasted on shit.

We've passed the tipping point where a politician can be successful by bringing up real, substantial cuts. There are too many voters dependent on the federal government spending, without having to pay a dime to support that spending. That number is about to pass 50% and become a majority. In my opinion, there is no turning back and it's just going to be a snowball effect from here.
 
We've passed the tipping point where a politician can be successful by bringing up real, substantial cuts. There are too many voters dependent on the federal government spending, without having to pay a dime to support that spending. That number is about to pass 50% and become a majority. In my opinion, there is no turning back and it's just going to be a snowball effect from here.

Not sure if that's what you're implying,but I hardly think of it as a partisan issue.
 
by the way, the analogy Tyson didn't calculate out is that it's like deleting text files if you have a 60Meg text file. You have any of those?
 
The president of 'non-profit' PBS makes $632,233 in annual compensation. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but if PBS can provide lavish salaries for executives, it's a tough argument saying they need federal tax dollars to stay alive.
 
I really don't get the idea that the government shouldn't take money and spend it on good stuff that people wouldn't be able to provide on their own. Denny: you must be opposed to public education, right? And all our roads should be toll roads, presumably? I mean libertarians used to concede that the army had to be paid for by the government, but with Blackwater (or whatever the fuck they changed their name to) even that's being privatized. I pledge allegiance to the state of Walmart.

Television programming? That's something people do provide on their own without government.

Education is a complex question. What does "public" mean? We have multiple tiers of education, with non-govt. owned being the finest, no? (That would be places like Harvard, Stanford, Yale, prep schools, etc.). And the more involved government has been with "public" education, the more it's declined from once being quite good to the point it doesn't graduate kids that can read. I would call Stanford a public school because it does allow anyone to apply.

I'm not opposed to states and municipalities building public buildings and roads and the like. I'm not opposed to the feds building national highways. Things that are INFRASTRUCTURE like roads seem in the spirit of post office, the mint, the court system, etc.

I'm not at all a fan of a big military or using it to do much besides defending our borders. And I don't mean keeping "illegals" out, but rather against a military invasion by some other country.

Funny thing is Mook posted a reference to how the VA provides better care than medicare. While Obama and people on the left were drooling over single payer govt. option, I was posting on these boards (and elsewhere, like HuffPost) that govt. should open a VA type system and serve everyone. The idea is to provide health care, right? What does insurance have to do with health care? Health care is about hiring doctors and paying for medicine and beds and equipment and giving people access to doctors and nurses. I suggest this VA type system would charge people for their care, directly what it costs. So it's not a taxpayer funded anything, but a $10 flu shot and a $20 checkup and a $350 to deliver a child.

Health insurance is so regulated by govt. you'd think they would be able to make it good by now (except government CAN'T). I mean, insurance companies issue policies that pay huge sums when people die - and everyone dies. That insurance isn't expensive. Neither is auto insurance. Just the insurance govt. focuses on.
 
Television programming? That's something people do provide on their own without government.

Education is a complex question. What does "public" mean? We have multiple tiers of education, with non-govt. owned being the finest, no? (That would be places like Harvard, Stanford, Yale, prep schools, etc.). And the more involved government has been with "public" education, the more it's declined from once being quite good to the point it doesn't graduate kids that can read. I would call Stanford a public school because it does allow anyone to apply.

I'm not opposed to states and municipalities building public buildings and roads and the like. I'm not opposed to the feds building national highways. Things that are INFRASTRUCTURE like roads seem in the spirit of post office, the mint, the court system, etc.

I'm not at all a fan of a big military or using it to do much besides defending our borders. And I don't mean keeping "illegals" out, but rather against a military invasion by some other country.

Funny thing is Mook posted a reference to how the VA provides better care than medicare. While Obama and people on the left were drooling over single payer govt. option, I was posting on these boards (and elsewhere, like HuffPost) that govt. should open a VA type system and serve everyone. The idea is to provide health care, right? What does insurance have to do with health care? Health care is about hiring doctors and paying for medicine and beds and equipment and giving people access to doctors and nurses. I suggest this VA type system would charge people for their care, directly what it costs. So it's not a taxpayer funded anything, but a $10 flu shot and a $20 checkup and a $350 to deliver a child.

Health insurance is so regulated by govt. you'd think they would be able to make it good by now (except government CAN'T). I mean, insurance companies issue policies that pay huge sums when people die - and everyone dies. That insurance isn't expensive. Neither is auto insurance. Just the insurance govt. focuses on.

You should get this shit published.
 
Not sure if that's what you're implying,but I hardly think of it as a partisan issue.

I'm not saying it is a partisan issue. Once the majority of the population is being given programs that they didn't pay anything for, there is no way a candidate can win an election if he brings up major cuts. Unless you have more faith in the average American than I do, and assume that they will vote against their own self interests.
 
After letting the debate sit for a while, it seemed Romney was using the same handlers as Bush.
 
Television programming? That's something people do provide on their own without government.

Yes. How well I remember cutting a hole in a cardboard box and pretending I was an announcer. And my news report was actually more accurate than Fox News.

Education is a complex question. What does "public" mean?

You're shitting me.

We have multiple tiers of education, with non-govt. owned being the finest, no?

First of all, I'm talking about SCHOOL not university.
Second, what do you mean "finest"? I bet Beverley Hills High is pretty fucking awesome.
Third, that's like saying caviar is the finest food. That's all very well, but it's useless to 99.9% of the world's population.

(That would be places like Harvard, Stanford, Yale, prep schools, etc.).

That reminds me: Romney likes to say that he did it all on his own because (I think) his rich father didn't give him money to set up his own business. But neglects to mention that his father paid for him to go to one of the most exclusive schools in the country (Cranbrook).

And the more involved government has been with "public" education, the more it's declined from once being quite good to the point it doesn't graduate kids that can read.

Again: I can only assume you are being facetious. Do you know who has the best education in the world? Finland. Do you know who has an incredibly stupid system for funding their schools whereby kids in rich neighborhoods have way better schools because of the narrow tax base? The US.

I would call Stanford a public school because it does allow anyone to apply.

You really are shitting me, aren't you? And Buckingham Palace is public housing because the public is allowed to look at it.

I'm not opposed to states and municipalities building public buildings and roads and the like.

That's nice of you. With your tax dollars? Don't you feel your sacred freedom being infringed? Think of all those moochers who don't pay taxes using them for free!

I'm not opposed to the feds building national highways. Things that are INFRASTRUCTURE like roads seem in the spirit of post office, the mint, the court system, etc.

And public education. And public healthcare. Or do you have a definition of INFRASTRUCTURE that's different from mine?

Funny thing is Mook posted a reference to how the VA provides better care than medicare. While Obama and people on the left were drooling over single payer govt. option, I was posting on these boards (and elsewhere, like HuffPost) that govt. should open a VA type system and serve everyone. The idea is to provide health care, right? What does insurance have to do with health care? Health care is about hiring doctors and paying for medicine and beds and equipment and giving people access to doctors and nurses. I suggest this VA type system would charge people for their care, directly what it costs. So it's not a taxpayer funded anything, but a $10 flu shot and a $20 checkup and a $350 to deliver a child.

You're so sweet. So, essentially you're saying that THE GOVERNMENT shouldn't ever set rates for anything, because that's SOCIALISM. But YOU get to set those rates, because you are PHILOSOPHER KING.

Health insurance is so regulated by govt. you'd think they would be able to make it good by now (except government CAN'T).

You've never heard of Scandinavia, have you?

Denny, you really need to strike out on your own and found your own country on Mars. It's the only way to avoid all that GOVERNMENT.
 
i studied for a semester abroad, in the brutal training grounds of quan xi xu, man my fixie was tired that year
 
I learned Ninjitsu from Ras Al Ghul in the Himalayan mountains.
 
i graduated from stanfords school of vcr repair, they are primed for a comeback
 
I was the guy that the senator in Minnesota toe tapped.
 
I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
 
i once watched the entire series of "wings" in 27 days
 
What do you make of the "Romney Rally"? (stock market)
 
um, nothing.

It's huge, dude. The slide is on. Obama's indifference was entirely telling. Sad as it may be to the Obama faithful, the nation is now entirely on to him and his "going-through-the-motions". It may very well be irreversible.

















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