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I've watched all of the D convention and I'll likely watch all of the R convention next week.

But I have an odd conception of fun.

barfo
 
Orion Bailey said:
you just nailed our political issues on the head

instead of the masses of voters actually wanting to be as informed as possible on all sides, they fall in line with thier party Nd close eyes and ears to anything else.

what i find hilarious is the percent of people who just know with all certainty they are on the right side when they refuse to listen to the other side.

its this stance that is basically destroying everything.
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Sorry @Orion Bailey - you have a flawed analysis IMO.

The problem is NOT that people are uninformed and unwilling to examine the issues/candidates. Most of us here do plenty of that. Most voters do that to some degree. It's just that, as adults, we understand what we believe to be right. I don't need to examine the GOP any more than I already have to know what I know to be true.

Only a nincompoop would be undecided at this point and need more information, especially about Trump.
 
They put Elizabeth Warren on the Native American Caucus at the DNC. That’s not a joke.
 
Stevenson said:
Sorry @Orion Bailey - you have a flawed analysis IMO.

The problem is NOT that people are uninformed and unwilling to examine the issues/candidates. Most of us here do plenty of that. Most voters do that to some degree. It's just that, as adults, we understand what we believe to be right. I don't need to examine the GOP any more than I already have to know what I know to be true.

Only a nincompoop would be undecided at this point and need more information, especially about Trump.
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or maybe nincompoops dont subscribe to media driven ideals and messages and would rather hear it from the horses mouth in its entirety?
Maybe some people aren so gulli le as to believe the media leanings and form an opinion off of them because maybe some of the nincompoops know most of the news out there is slanted, edited, twisted to fit a narrative?

so maybe the only nincompoops are the people who have solidified their stance off of media buy instead of the horses mouth?

maybe the nincompoops are the only ones smart enough to know they will never know everything so they wont take a stance until rhey gather up all available info? Whoch means waiting until the end in case new info comes out?


Sorry, but i believe its your statement that is flawed. The vitriol of many when faced with a differing opinion kinda supports my opinion over yours.

your very name calling of those who prefer to wait until the end to form an opinion solidifies my opinion and negates yours.
 
Orion Bailey said:
your very name calling of those who prefer to wait until the end to form an opinion solidifies my opinion and negates yours.
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Surely you are waiting till the end to form your opinion about that, though? So your opinion is at most a bit squishy, and not yet solid?

barfo
 
Stevenson said:
21 million last night @ABM.

And isn't just horrible seeing all of these Democrats and Republicans talking about kindness, empathy, unity, the rule of law, and love? Horrible!
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Glad they had a Woodstock moment.
 
If someone doesn't have an opinion about Trump at this point, either they are not paying attention, or they don't care, or they are dumb.

Thinking the DNC infomercial or the RNC infomercial is going to be some fountain of objective insight is, well, ludicrous.
 
HailBlazers said:
No debates and taped speech's are Biden's only hope in appearing acceptable.
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no...actually being a decent human being will be acceptable enough....everybody is finished talking to Trump at this point.
 
Stevenson said:
If someone doesn't have an opinion about Trump at this point, either they are not paying attention, or they don't care, or they are dumb.
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There are other options: evil or self serving bastards. Some evil people are very smart - and evil, smart people that have benefited from the unjust, self serving fascist administration that Trump promotes would certainly want to continue to support him because they are evil and self serving.

In other words, it is not fair to call them dumb.
 
ABM said:
I know. The operative word is "then".
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And like it's been said, more people watched the convention (across several networks) than AGT, so the operative word is "petard"
 
barfo said:
Surely you are waiting till the end to form your opinion about that, though? So your opinion is at most a bit squishy, and not yet solid?

barfo
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ive told you before. Don't call me Surely!!!

Stevenson said:
If someone doesn't have an opinion about Trump at this point, either they are not paying attention, or they don't care, or they are dumb.

Thinking the DNC infomercial or the RNC infomercial is going to be some fountain of objective insight is, well, ludicrous.
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Why does an opinion have to be unmovable?

why cant someone have an opinion but allow it to be flexible based on new info as it arises?

your black and white answers and want to demean those who's opinions are nOt set in stone, is what is ludicrous.

Sorry man.

being cemented in an opinion to me is not growth. Its stagnant and allows for no improvement intellectually.
So those who are like this i just assume are ignorant i know it alls because they think they know all they need to know.

How arrogant and ignorant is that?
 
Orion Bailey said:
ive told you before. Don't call me Surely!!!



Why does an opinion have to be unmovable?

why cant someone have an opinion but allow it to be flexible based on new info as it arises?

your black and white answers and want to demean those who's opinions are nOt set in stone, is what is ludicrous.

Sorry man.

being cemented in an opinion to me is not growth. Its stagnant and allows for no improvement intellectually.
So those who are like this i just assume are ignorant i know it alls because they think they know all they need to know.

How arrogant and ignorant is that?
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You can be so condescending.

Who says people here don't change their mind? That's your assumption. Many here, myself included, have been thinking about politics for a long time. I know what I think and why. If you are new to this, welcome to the club, and I see why your opinions might be easily swayed, but many of us who take our politics seriously enough to post in a silly basketball forum have very solid, well-thought-out reasons for what we think and why. I know I do.

But to assume we are doctrinaire and inflexible because we are not new to this debate and therefore not easily malleable is simply your little trick to make yourself feel better.
 
Stevenson said:
You can be so condescending.

Who says people here don't change their mind? That's your assumption. Many here, myself included, have been thinking about politics for a long time. I know what I think and why. If you are new to this, welcome to the club, and I see why your opinions might be easily swayed, but many of us who take our politics seriously enough to post in a silly basketball forum have very solid, well-thought-out reasons for what we think and why. I know I do.

But to assume we are doctrinaire and inflexible because we are not new to this debate and therefore not easily malleable is simply your little trick to make yourself feel better.
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you basically called me a nincompoop in your post and you say i can be condscending????.....
Lmao!!!!

this is why the OT is just a laugh...


I will die being flexible because i understand everything evolves.
Sorry if you want to continue to demean that and all the while consider me the condescending one....

you are funny though. :)
 
So.....I’m confused @ABM. When did the US convert to TV ratings for electing a president rather than actual votes??? Try to actually bring something relevant when you post. Just sayin’.....it’d make for a nice change....
 
julius said:
And like it's been said, more people watched the convention (across several networks) than AGT, so the operative word is "petard"
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Sure, I see. Check that against the 40% drop-off from 2016. This is supposed to be the most critical election in recent times. I would think your convention might reflect that.

Your petard term is rather boorish. But, hey, keep having fun amusing yourself with it.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I will die being flexible
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actually you'll be stiff when you die....just helping you out with new information! It's called rigormortis.....OB...people over just under 4 years of politics have formed convictions....stop sensationalizing that...if you still haven't that's fine but having strong conviction just before an election is not arrogant nor a character flaw.... Not saying there aren't ignorant arrogant people because there are but this is a forum of opinions ....maris has convictions....different from mine but they are convictions. I accept that. Sure I don't understand why by any stretch anyone could trust Trump to lead the country but hey...apparently several forum members still do...My opinion about Trump, his cabinet and McConnell are fully formed...homework done. Take your time but don't chastise those of us who are already committed to getting rid of Trump
 
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Stevenson said:
If someone doesn't have an opinion about Trump at this point, either they are not paying attention, or they don't care, or they are dumb.

Thinking the DNC infomercial or the RNC infomercial is going to be some fountain of objective insight is, well, ludicrous.
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Look, the point of this entire thread is that the democratic viewership is low compared to, as an example, 2016. This, juxtaposed against the mantra of the left claiming this might be the most crucial election of our lifetime. I might expect that the dem masses might actually like to see what their leadership id trotting out..

https://reason.com/2020/08/20/americans-rightly-tune-out-to-democratic-national-convention/

The national conventions long ago stopped being a place where any real news might happen or where unscripted events would reveal something authentic or telling. The shift to online-only underscores the reality that the DNC and RNC are infomercials pitched to the parties' bases rather than events designed to reach out to uncommitted voters. The rest of us will simply have to bide our time for a more substantive discussion of the country's uncertain future. It's not clear when or whether we'll have presidential debates but if we do, they will certainly go a long way to settling questions about the mental acuity of Trump and Biden. And they might actually put some electricity into an election surprisingly devoid of energy despite the hyperbolic rhetoric of partisans declaring it (yet again!) as the most-important election in our lifetime.
 
ABM said:
Sure, I see. Check that against the 40% drop-off from 2016. This is supposed to be the most critical election in recent times. I would think your convention might reflect that.
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you do realize there's a pandemic going on, right?

Your petard term is rather boorish. But, hey, keep having fun amusing yourself with it.
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I will, and you keep amusing (only) yourself with your act too.
 
riverman said:
actually you'll be stiff when you die....just helping you out with new information! It's called rigormortis.....OB...people over just under 4 years of politics have formed convictions....stop sensationalizing that...if you still haven't that's fine but having strong conviction just before an election is not arrogant nor a character flaw.... Not saying there aren't ignorant arrogant people because there are but this is a forum of opinions ....maris has convictions....different from mine but they are convictions. I accept that. Sure I don't understand why by any stretch anyone could trust Trump to lead the country but hey...apparently several forum members still do...My opinion about Trump, his cabinet and McConnell are fully formed...homework done. Take your time but don't chastise those of us who are already committed to getting rid of Trump
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im not saying that as much as im saying its some people condemning aNyone who doesn't agree or share thier viewpoint. Its arrogant and Condescending and the kicker is being called condescending in return.

it makes taking some peoples opinions seriously, as laughable.
 
julius said:
you do realize there's a pandemic going on, right?



I will, and you keep amusing (only) yourself with your act too.
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A pandemic is supposed to affect tv viewership? Hmmm

Happy you're the authority on me. Oh, along with your buddy, cup.
 
Wasting hundreds of millions of dollars for a foregone conclusion of an election when we need money for hospitals, schools, first responders and service workers is really stupid if you ask me....that money should be protecting people while we're faced with a pandemic, not to buy time for arguments....I'm ready to vote tomorrow...I think the virtual campaign the dems trotted out was very efficient and streamlined....GOP should follow suit and not try to have a super bowl type convention....we need to start locking this country down and stop encouraging large public gatherings...the govt could learn alot from how the NBA is functioning right now....leave the crowds at home...I've said for decades our campaign should be like most countries...6 weeks long and vote...not 18-20 months...by the time candidates are elected they're burned out beginning of their first term. Trump has never stopped campaigning and he's fried from it..at some point they need to shut themselves in the oval office...and buckle down and work
 
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Biden was pretty good tonight, I thought. A well written speech, well delivered.

All in all, a fairly entertaining convention. Should be interesting to see how next week goes.

barfo
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The convention wasn't aired at the same time as AGT.

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In the time slot it was aired it did get more viewers than AGT.

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2.3 + 2.0 + 1.8 > 5.5
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Good to know the Democratic Party set their bar so high that being competitive wy America's Got Talent gives all if you shivers. Meanwhile POTUS TRUMP'S saving the world for 5 more years. #walkaway2020
 
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