The Gay Parenthood Dynamic - Question

[3RA1N1AC]

Be nice, please?

http://www.gotquestions.org/difference-old-new-testaments.html

thats crap, sorry man

cant take some of it as gods word, and throw some of it in the garbage, all or nothing, what line are you in

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

thats crap, sorry man

cant take some of it as gods word, and throw some of it in the garbage, all or nothing, what line are you in

Jesus makes the division. He nullified much of the old testament.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Jesus makes the division. He nullified much of the old testament.

oh shit my bad

tell me all about how jesus condemned the gays

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

oh shit my bad

tell me all about how jesus condemned the gays

Jesus actually never did, Paul did

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Jesus actually never did

ever wonder why?

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

ever wonder why?

I dont question, i just try to follow, although we all fall many times...a day

 

[ABM]

thats crap, sorry man

cant take some of it as gods word, and throw some of it in the garbage, all or nothing, what line are you in

I doubt that I would have much success on a message board attempting to convince you of the veracity of the Bible.

That said, II Timothy 3:15 says, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." I'll go with that. The Bible also says that God's ways are far above our ways. It boils down to faith and trust. I have faith and trust that God knows what He's doing.

Most likely, you'll have a response to my comments. That's OK. As I basically mentioned, you're gonna believe what you're gonna believe. I'm gonna believe what I'm gonna believe, as well. Peace.

 

[RoyToy]

"Lifestyle" is totally irrelevant in this matter.

It's 2012 and many GOP's continue to believe that gay/lesbian people chose to be that way. "It's not God's way."

The party is about 60 years out of touch.

They also love to forget the first amendment in this situation

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I doubt that I would have much success on a message board attempting to convince you of the veracity of the Bible.

That said, II Timothy 3:15 says, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." I'll go with that. The Bible also says that God's ways are far above our ways. It boils down to faith and trust. I have faith and trust that God knows what He's doing.

Most likely, you'll have a response to my comments. That's OK. As I basically mentioned, you're gonna believe what you're gonna believe. I'm gonna believe what I'm gonna believe, as well. Peace.

peace to you as well abm

the bible doesnt say gay = bad, or less than ideal

it says gay = death

do you agree with that?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I dont question, i just try to follow, although we all fall many times...a day

if i was god id be very disappointed, this is why he gave us free will no? the virtues of jesus have been perverted for 2000 years, if anything, i think one has to ask questions and get away from what passes as acceptable as a christian these days

the teachings of jesus are simple, but everyone seems to have this need to justify their own misgivings through him, and it is pathetic

 

[ABM]

+1, I think your sis was really vulnerable after a bad relationship and she got into another bad relationship for all the wrong reasons (hated men at the time, didn't feel comfortable about being single/alone, didn't know who she was, et al.... whatever reason). It was a bad rebound and she hooked up with another person who was going to damage her again, didn't matter if it was gay or straight. Fortunately she's better now!

Interesting perspective. I will say, though, that she was in the lesbian relationship for nearly 10 years...and took on most of the family defending it. Maintained with vigor that she "loved" Deborah, while raising both of her children to adulthood alongside her lesbian lover.

Today, though, she claims it was entirely wrong "behavior" and has in fact, counseled others who struggle with the same types of issues. It's pretty wild, actually, to sit back and observe all she has encountered in her life. All that said, she's a sweet, sweet woman.....loved deeply by so many....including myself.

 

[ABM]

peace to you as well abm...

If you're in the Portland area, would love to hook-up for a beer and Blazer game sometime.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

If you're in the Portland area, would love to hook-up for a beer and Blazer game sometime.

if i ever get a damn vacation, you have your self a date!

 

[KingSpeed]

By the way, I think those people who want gay marriage don't realize how good they have it. I'm certain that gay divorce will suck as much as straight divorce does.

Yeah, it's really great in North Carolina where gays can't get married and thus can't visit their partners in the hospital. Sure, it's nice to joke about but there's nothing good about having limited rights. Think before you post .

 

[ABM]

if i ever get a damn vacation, you have your self a date!

Perhaps, we could shoot for the Christmas break....or such? First beer is on me.

 

[ABM]

Yeah, it's really great in North Carolina where gays can't....visit their partners in the hospital.

Really?! That's craziness!! I'm gonna ask my fiance' (a nursing director) about that and why they might have cray-cray rules like that.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Really?! That's craziness!! I'm gonna ask my fiance' (a nursing director) about that and why they might have cray-cray rules like that.

in emergencies im pretty sure only immediate family can visit, im sure different hospitals have different rules though

 

[KingSpeed]

Really?! That's craziness!! I'm gonna ask my fiance' (a nursing director) about that and why they might have cray-cray rules like that.

North Carolina voted against gay marriage and civil unions. If you think it's craziness, think about what you say/write and how you vote.

 

[Denny Crane]

North Carolina voted against gay marriage and civil unions.

And then the Democrats held their convention there.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Yeah, it's really great in North Carolina where gays can't get married and thus can't visit their partners in the hospital. Sure, it's nice to joke about but there's nothing good about having limited rights. Think before you post .

Question KS. Im conservative and i totally would accept the gay community as having the same rights in terms of, civil unions, tax breaks, visitations, etc. EXCEPT calling there union marriage. Is that still ok? or is it necessary we designate it as marriage?

 

[KingSpeed]

The good news, though, is that gay marriage passed in three states last night and a sitting President in favor of gay marriage won re-election. The country is moving in the right direction.

 

[Denny Crane]

If it's not marriage, then centuries of settled family/marriage law would have to be figured out for civil unions. Even a minute difference would be a 14th amendment (equal protection) violation.

What difference does it make to you what someone on the other side of the country calls their relationship? Or the people next door even?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Here is how I look at it ABM; is it possible that having gay parents could have some kind of long term effect on a child? Sure. Could be a positive effect, could be a negative effect. With that said, how many kids have negative baggage from straight parents? How many kids are in abusive families? How many kids are in families that do not provide for them? If a gay couple can provide a happy and loving home with everything a child needs in life, why would you deny them that? I think it's more important that a child is provided with a loving environment and a stable home, rather than worry that they might turn gay because they have two dads or two moms.

+1. I'd write more, but it'd be redundant and exactly what you said.

Love is love. Good parents are good parents.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

The good news, though, is that gay marriage passed in three states last night and a sitting President in favor of gay marriage won re-election. The country is moving in the right direction.

On people's rights, yes I totally agree. In most other things, I completely and emphatically disagree (not that Romney would have fixed those other things). When it comes to love/relationships/families, keep the government the FUCK out. To me, it's sad we have to talk gay rights, equality, etc. We shouldn't even have to be having this conversation.

 

[KingSpeed]

Question KS. Im conservative and i totally would accept the gay community as having the same rights in terms of, civil unions, tax breaks, visitations, etc. EXCEPT calling there union marriage. Is that still ok? or is it necessary we designate it as marriage?

I'm glad you're on board for us having rights but when it comes to full equality in this country, gays must have the same rights to marriage as straight people. I like most of what you're saying though. I think I'm pretty conservative myself actually. I wish gay rights weren't an issue at election time. Then, I could feel comfortable to just focus on the other issues that affect everyone. The sooner we get our rights, the sooner that happens. The Republican Party needs to redefine themselves as the party for all and not just old white rich men. That is why they lost.

 

[KingSpeed]

On people's rights, yes I totally agree. In most other things, I completely and emphatically disagree (not that Romney would have fixed those other things). When it comes to love/relationships/families, keep the government the FUCK out. To me, it's sad we have to talk gay rights, equality, etc. We shouldn't even have to be having this conversation.

Exactly what I'm talking about. It's a stupid conversation to be having.

 

[ABM]

The Republican Party needs to redefine themselves as the party for all and not just old white rich men. That is why they lost.

Not to derail my own thread, but they (Latinos) agree with you.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...os-election-now-pass-194113601--election.html

The heavy pro-Obama Latino vote also sends a message to the Republican Party, which needs to make inroads in the fast-growing Hispanic community to survive. Ana Navarro, a Miami-based Republican political strategist who had warned Republicans to take a softer tone on immigration if they wanted to win the election, wrote on Twitter that gaining only 27 percent of the Latino vote is a "disgrace."

Most Latino voters said in the Latino Decisions poll that the most important issues to them in this election were the economy and jobs. Thirty-five percent of the voters listed immigration reform as their key issue.

"Our party needs to realize that it's too old and too white and too male, and it needs to figure out how to catch up with the demographics of the country before it's too late," Al Cardenas, the head of the American Conservative Union, told Politico. "Our party needs a lot of work to do if we expect to be competitive in the near future."

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Exactly what I'm talking about. It's a stupid conversation to be having.

Agreed. Sadly, I admit, given the current environment, I don't have the convo enough with friends and family. But my friends and family know where I stand. My female cousin and her partner, as well as my male cousin and his husband, are very close to my wife and I. They watch our kids, love our kids, take great care of them, etc. they'd be great parents. Sadly, as they venture into foster parenting and adoption, we've had inquiries and had to vouch for their abilities, more so (IMO) than for straight couples. It's bullshit. Like I said, good parents are good parents.

 

[maxiep]

Yeah, it's really great in North Carolina where gays can't get married and thus can't visit their partners in the hospital. Sure, it's nice to joke about but there's nothing good about having limited rights. Think before you post .

Lighten the fuck up, Eric.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

And then the Democrats held their convention there.

It was a demonstration of how gay weather-control could help NC out during hurricane season... didn't translate at the polls though.