The Greg Oden Watch "OFFICIAL" Thread...

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Not at all bgd...in fact I'm not sure what you are suggesting even. Should we have somehow forced him to sign with us?
 
BigGameDamian said:
If Oden dominates this year how foolish will the Blazers look?
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Why would the Blazers look foolish? From everything that's been said, Oden wanted a fresh start and wouldn't have re-signed with us anyway.
 
I mean, what was he doing playing basketball with Nate Bishop at 24 Fitness en he was supposed to be rehabbing?
 
KingSpeed said:
I mean, what was he doing playing basketball with Nate Bishop at 24 Fitness en he was supposed to be rehabbing?
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Well in Gregs defense everyone does or says things they regret and people also grow up. Then again some people never really grow up.:dunno:
 
Greg Oden appears to be leaning toward the Miami Heat or New Orleans Pelicans, according to a source.

Oden is also being pursued by the San Antonio Spurs, Atlanta Hawks, Sacramento Kings and Dallas Mavericks.

Oden has looked lean and agile in the workouts, according to multiple eyewitnesses that spoke with ESPN's Marc Stein.

Oden hasn't played since December of 2009.
 
maxiep said:
Thank you for not answering my question and well as demonstrating your ignorance regarding the knee joint. Tendons can heal. Ligaments can actually be repaired stronger than they were before. Cartilage doesn't regenerate. Ever lose your meniscus cartilage? I'd much rather tear my ACL and MCL again that have lost my lateral meniscus, which is much better than losing your medial meniscus.
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I thought Oden's meniscus was fine, were those ever injured? The three microfractures were articular cartiledge on the end of the bone which microfracture can fix. Busted kneecap was a bone that can fully heal. So in theory he may be able to make a full recovery, as opposed to an injury like Roy where all the menisucus was damaged and removed leaving him with bone on bone.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Knowing Blazer luck, he'll be pretty good and injury free for right more years. I do think he can offer a team done good effort first as a backup and then as a starter in a year or two. I'm feeling grumpy today but I bet he'll start 50 games in 2015.
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So he'll be like Bill Walton, Brandon Roy, and Sam Bowie, and go on to multiple MVPs after leaving Portland because of injuries?
 
maxiep said:
He didn't go Shawn Kemp. Any drinking he did, certainly didn't contribute to his microfracture surgeries or his fractured patella. Rehab is depressing, especially when you have to do it again and again and again. That's like saying you'll never like Bill Walton because he had a vegetarian diet and smoked weed constantly and didn't rehab properly.

As long as he doesn't join the L*kers or absolutely crush us, I'll wish him well and just be sad about how things turned out here.
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How is that for certain? Dude was a lush. He was seen out all over town while 'rehabbing'. He was seen in Indy with a table full of drinks in front of him summer of 2011. The photo was even posted on this board.
 
BBert said:
I've heard that rumor. It gets bigger every time I hear it. I tend to not put much stock in rumors about people's private lives, spread by people with only peripheral contact, if any, with the subject of the rumors. I doubt he drank more than I did at the same age, and my knees didn't blow out because of it.

Pretty much all players party pretty damn hard. Again, I have doubts that Greg was that bad. Besides, it didn't seem to hurt these guys too much:

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Nash got traded. Dirk stopped drinking.
 
maxiep said:
Zach didn't have another knee injury. Are you blaming Oden for his patella shattering? Did you see the look on his face when it happened? The disappointment? The recognition he was going to have to take the long and lonely road of rehab again? My heart broke for the guy. Be angry at the training staff for mis-rehabbing him. Be angry at GO's body for betraying him. But to be angry at Oden because he didn't become a monk during rehab? He was a hell of a lot more dedicated that a lot of other players.
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Link? He was out partying the entire time he was "rehabbing" in Portland. The guy was an immature doofball in Portland, and the excuse-making for him by some of you, while not a surprise, does make me laugh. The guy weighed 280 lbs., rarely could play, and people are shocked that his knee-cap shattered?
 
KingSpeed said:
What does that mean? I don't speak Russian.
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It means "go with God", loosely. I'm not sure why maxiep would post it. Is he being paid to rehabilitate Oden's image? Oden was a bust here, and he didn't care enough to try and stop drinking to get himself back on the court. Now, he needs a paycheck, and I'm sure some team will be dumb enough to give the guy the vet minimum next year.
 
Draco said:
I thought Oden's meniscus was fine, were those ever injured? The three microfractures were articular cartiledge on the end of the bone which microfracture can fix. Busted kneecap was a bone that can fully heal. So in theory he may be able to make a full recovery, as opposed to an injury like Roy where all the menisucus was damaged and removed leaving him with bone on bone.
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You can't regenerate cartilage. Oden, if he plays, will need microfracture again someday. He's looking for a paycheck, and a team signing him had better have his knees checked out thoroughly, because if they don't, I can see Oden suing them someday for 'allowing' him to play.
 
Draco said:
I thought Oden's meniscus was fine, were those ever injured? The three microfractures were articular cartiledge on the end of the bone which microfracture can fix. Busted kneecap was a bone that can fully heal. So in theory he may be able to make a full recovery, as opposed to an injury like Roy where all the menisucus was damaged and removed leaving him with bone on bone.
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I could be wrong, but I thought he had partial meniscus removal with his 1st surgery where they also did MF, as well as his fractured patella. Does anyone else know? If I'm wrong, thanks to Draco for giving me the head's up and anyone else who answers for educating me.
 
PapaG said:
How is that for certain? Dude was a lush. He was seen out all over town while 'rehabbing'. He was seen in Indy with a table full of drinks in front of him summer of 2011. The photo was even posted on this board.
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Is there a link between drinking and weakened knee cartilage and patella bones?
 
PapaG said:
You can't regenerate cartilage. Oden, if he plays, will need microfracture again someday. He's looking for a paycheck, and a team signing him had better have his knees checked out thoroughly, because if they don't, I can see Oden suing them someday for 'allowing' him to play.
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MF creates scar tissue which can replicate the role of cartilage. Draco is correct in the effect, while not quite accurate technically. I think his meaning was clear enough.
 
maxiep said:
Is there a link between drinking and weakened knee cartilage and patella bones?
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No. But there's certainly a link between drinking and bad judgment, poor work ethic, and depression.
 
maxiep said:
MF creates scar tissue which can replicate the role of cartilage. Draco is correct in the effect, while not quite accurate technically. I think his meaning was clear enough.
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The scar tissue degenerates, though. We went over this when Oden had his first micro-fracture surgery. The scar tissue provides a 'cushion', but it's not a replacement permanently, and eventually the scar tissue breaks down.
 
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maxiep said:
Is there a link between drinking and weakened knee cartilage and patella bones?
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Maybe. Can you prove that drinking helps rehabilitate knees, and keeps off weight? Oden himself even said he drank too much. Am I the only one who remembers this interview? Why would Oden bring it up if he didn't think of it as yet another excuse?

When I played well, I'd drink to celebrate. And when I played poorly, I'd drink to forget. That second year in Portland I pretty much became an alcoholic."
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http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id...-overall-pick-greg-oden-injury-plagued-career

It's not like Oden stopped drinking after that, either? He's a Good Time Charlie who didn't take his injuries seriously, IMO. He'll be 26 years-old in January, and can't possibly be the athletic freak he was before all of his injuries, unless he is some sort of medical miracle.
 
dviss1 said:
No. But there's certainly a link between drinking and bad judgment, poor work ethic, and depression.
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What were the accounts that he rehabbed poorly? By all accounts, he was pretty dedicated. As for what he did after work, drinking is legal. It's certainly better than what many other players did when they weren't playing or at practice.

If I were Oden, I'd be horribly depressed. He was a young Midwestern kid stuck in the PNW with the weight of a franchise's expectations on his shoulders. His body betrayed him and he really was never part of this team. Rehab is lonely, and Portland is much different than Indianapolis or Columbus.

Once you make a little bit of money, it ceases to buy you happiness after a certain point.

I'm not making excuses for him, as I think he owed this franchise a bit more loyalty than he showed us, but I'm not putting the blame on him personally. I think his body just wasn't built for the NBA. I hope he gets back to being the funloving kid he was when he entered the league rather than the brooding hulk he became.
 
PapaG said:
The scar tissue degenerates, though. We went over this when Oden had his first micro-fracture surgery. The scar tissue provides a 'cushion', but it's not a replacement permanently, and eventually the scar tissue breaks down.
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Mkay. Did anyone state otherwise? Not all MFs are successful. Sometimes the bone just doesn't generate enough scar tissue. It should be a fix that can sustain a decade of play, however. It just wasn't the case with Oden.
 
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