The Greg Oden Watch "OFFICIAL" Thread...

[magnifier661]

I just think it would be a really poor choice if he is serious about basketball. If he only cares about money and partying then I could see it.

Which is why you could see it

 

[Draco]

I could see him going to an unexpected team like Sac or the Pelicans. If he goes to Miami people are going to give LeBron the credit. If he somehow got those other teams into the playoffs he could get a max contract next summer.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Which is why you could see it

Stevie Wonder could see it from the dark side of the moon!

 

[BigGameDamian]

I could see him going to an unexpected team like Sac or the Pelicans. If he goes to Miami people are going to give LeBron the credit. If he somehow got those other teams into the playoffs he could get a max contract next summer.

Well if he's smart & serious about basketball he will go to San Antonio.

 

[PapaG]

I could see him going to an unexpected team like Sac or the Pelicans. If he goes to Miami people are going to give LeBron the credit. If he somehow got those other teams into the playoffs he could get a max contract next summer.

Not happening.

 

[BigGameDamian]

How funny would it be if Oden and Aldridge both ended up in San Antonio.

 

[BlazerWookee]

My point is that it was only ONE YEAR of college. Not even a full year. And then only 82 games in the NBA. He doesn't have much experience playing basketball. Healthy or not, he won't be very good.

I couldn't disagree more. Even out of shape and usually out of position he rebounded at an astonishing rate, and he had a marked impact on the opponent's offensive flow.

 

[BlazerWookee]

How funny would it be if Oden and Aldridge both ended up in San Antonio.

Not even a little.

 

[crandc]

If Sacramento is the only team to make an offer I'd guess Oden would take it. Something about choosy beggars, you know.

 

[BlazerBeav]

Haha, I can't believe some of you still have faith that this guy can put it together.

He's a flat out bum if I've ever seen one.

Indeed. Even more confusing is how any Blazers fan can claim to be a fan of Oden. The guy drank his way through rehab, ensuring that he never would get healthy, and screwing us over for years.

 

[HailBlazers]

Indeed. Even more confusing is how any Blazers fan can claim to be a fan of Oden. The guy drank his way through rehab, ensuring that he never would get healthy, and screwing us over for years.

Oh yes the Truth.

 

[maxiep]

He didn't go Shawn Kemp. Any drinking he did, certainly didn't contribute to his microfracture surgeries or his fractured patella. Rehab is depressing, especially when you have to do it again and again and again. That's like saying you'll never like Bill Walton because he had a vegetarian diet and smoked weed constantly and didn't rehab properly.

As long as he doesn't join the L*kers or absolutely crush us, I'll wish him well and just be sad about how things turned out here.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

The difference there, maxiep, is that Walton brought the team it's only championship while Oden caused nothing but heartache.

 

[magnifier661]

He didn't go Shawn Kemp. Any drinking he did, certainly didn't contribute to his microfracture surgeries or his fractured patella. Rehab is depressing, especially when you have to do it again and again and again. That's like saying you'll never like Bill Walton because he had a vegetarian diet and smoked weed constantly and didn't rehab properly.

As long as he doesn't join the L*kers or absolutely crush us, I'll wish him well and just be sad about how things turned out here.

It's how he handled himself that pisses me off. And being a drunk could very well be a factor, since he cared more about drinking than rehabbing the injuries. Being over weight and making statements in clubs that he doesn't give a fuck about basketball.

I think he will beast just because he has natural talent. But I can never forgive him for how he treated our franchise and took advantage.

 

[BBert]

Indeed. Even more confusing is how any Blazers fan can claim to be a fan of Oden. The guy drank his way through rehab, ensuring that he never would get healthy, and screwing us over for years.

I've heard that rumor. It gets bigger every time I hear it. I tend to not put much stock in rumors about people's private lives, spread by people with only peripheral contact, if any, with the subject of the rumors. I doubt he drank more than I did at the same age, and my knees didn't blow out because of it.

Pretty much all players party pretty damn hard. Again, I have doubts that Greg was that bad. Besides, it didn't seem to hurt these guys too much:

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I've always blamed the training staff rather than Oden, because they allowed him to focus so much on his upper body during rehab. When he came back from his first microfracture so totally jacked, nobody was complaining that Oden wasn't working hard enough. The consensus was that he was top-heavy, and had too much weight for his knees to carry. If the first rehab had focused on lower-body strength and overall body proportion, we might have seen a completely different result.

 

[maxiep]

The difference there, maxiep, is that Walton brought the team it's only championship while Oden caused nothing but heartache.

I remember our breakup with Walton. It was a hell of a lot more bitter than our separation from GO. It's been healed with time, but in his time with the Clippers and Celtics and in the beginning years of his retirement, he HATED this organization.

 

[jlprk]

I've always blamed the training staff rather than Oden, because they allowed him to focus so much on his upper body during rehab. When he came back from his first microfracture so totally jacked, nobody was complaining that Oden wasn't working hard enough. The consensus was that he was top-heavy, and had too much weight for his knees to carry. If the first rehab had focused on lower-body strength and overall body proportion, we might have seen a completely different result.

Good point. He wasn't overdrinking as long as the trainers kept him busy. He was motivated to work. Once the trainers were pulled off him, as they should have been, he got very bored.

I blame Oden for nothing. There is no evidence that Walton smoked grass during the season while he was playing. Kemp, whom I watched a couple of months ago answer a crowd's every trivial question for an hour and then sign autographs for another hour, is a very nice man.

 

[maxiep]

It's how he handled himself that pisses me off. And being a drunk could very well be a factor, since he cared more about drinking than rehabbing the injuries. Being over weight and making statements in clubs that he doesn't give a fuck about basketball.

I think he will beast just because he has natural talent. But I can never forgive him for how he treated our franchise and took advantage.

Overweight? He didn't get fat. He bulked up.

How did he treat our franchise badly? He was a Midwestern kid stuck in the PNW, a very different place. It was just bad luck.

 

[maxiep]

I've always blamed the training staff rather than Oden, because they allowed him to focus so much on his upper body during rehab. When he came back from his first microfracture so totally jacked, nobody was complaining that Oden wasn't working hard enough. The consensus was that he was top-heavy, and had too much weight for his knees to carry. If the first rehab had focused on lower-body strength and overall body proportion, we might have seen a completely different result.

Bingo. You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PtldPlatypus again.

 

[magnifier661]

Overweight? He didn't get fat. He bulked up.

How did he treat our franchise badly? He was a Midwestern kid stuck in the PNW, a very different place. It was just bad luck.

I don't know which oden you watched, but after he blew out both his knees; he got really fat.

 

[maxiep]

I don't know which oden you watched, but after he blew out both his knees; he got really fat.

What would you define as "really fat"? He may have gained 10-20 excess lbs, but that's not unusual. As was pointed out before, what he did was really hit the weight room and got huge in his upper body. In that case, he was overtraining, not being casual about it.

I'm wondering if you are also angry at Zach Randolph for gaining even more weight than Oden after he had his knee surgery. They had to put him on that dumbass bike because he was too fat to do any normal rehab. What about Joel Przybilla slipping in the shower and reinjuring his knee?

I think you're angry at GO because he represented the final piece after a long rebuild. We were poised for greatness and it crumbled with Roy's and Oden's knees. I'm disappointed, too. It stings like hell three years later, but I don't blame Oden for it.

 

[BBert]

I remember our breakup with Walton. It was a hell of a lot more bitter than our separation from GO. It's been healed with time, but in his time with the Clippers and Celtics and in the beginning years of his retirement, he HATED this organization.

I concur. I don't think there has ever been a more contentious parting of the ways in the NBA. Walton went so far as to sue the organization and it's doctors. The more things change, etc.

 

[BBert]

I've always blamed the training staff rather than Oden, because they allowed him to focus so much on his upper body during rehab. When he came back from his first microfracture so totally jacked, nobody was complaining that Oden wasn't working hard enough. The consensus was that he was top-heavy, and had too much weight for his knees to carry. If the first rehab had focused on lower-body strength and overall body proportion, we might have seen a completely different result.

Exactly.

 

[magnifier661]

What would you define as "really fat"? He may have gained 10-20 excess lbs, but that's not unusual. As was pointed out before, what he did was really hit the weight room and got huge in his upper body. In that case, he was overtraining, not being casual about it.

I'm wondering if you are also angry at Zach Randolph for gaining even more weight than Oden after he had his knee surgery. They had to put him on that dumbass bike because he was too fat to do any normal rehab. What about Joel Przybilla slipping in the shower and reinjuring his knee?

I think you're angry at GO because he represented the final piece after a long rebuild. We were poised for greatness and it crumbled with Roy's and Oden's knees. I'm disappointed, too. It stings like hell three years later, but I don't blame Oden for it.

Zach came back and contributed. He wasn't bound to his athleticism like oden was.

Whatever the case, I 100% blame Oden for his lackluster motivation.

 

[BBert]

I'm wondering if you are also angry at Zach Randolph for gaining even more weight than Oden after he had his knee surgery. They had to put him on that dumbass bike because he was too fat to do any normal rehab.

Ah, yes. The bike. They put Zach on a bicycle, that was completely mis-sized for his body, and had him bike up the steepest hills they could find. After knee surgery. Christ, the stupidity of our medical/training staff. It's a wonder they didn't ruin Zach for life.

 

[jlprk]

I concur. I don't think there has ever been a more contentious parting of the ways in the NBA. Walton went so far as to sue the organization and it's doctors. The more things change, etc.

Walton hung out with radical hippies. He called the FBI "the enemy." Blazer doctors kept making his legs worse. Anyone could see who controlled the doctors. He sued. He changed teams in order to change doctors.

 

[Coast541]

Good point. He wasn't overdrinking as long as the trainers kept him busy. He was motivated to work. Once the trainers were pulled off him, as they should have been, he got very bored.

I blame Oden for nothing. There is no evidence that Walton smoked grass during the season while he was playing. Kemp, whom I watched a couple of months ago answer a crowd's every trivial question for an hour and then sign autographs for another hour, is a very nice man.

I get he was in a tough position, but blame Oden for nothing? The guy never owned up to anything in my opinion. Always blamed everybody but himself. Stereotyped the Airforce as drunks. Blamed all his drinking on his cousin. Said he couldn't hack it in Portland because nobody held his hand. Fired his therapist because he thought the Blazers were getting info from him. Said he sent dong pics because he didn't want to be an asshole for not responding. Let his blind dog have access to an 8th story balcony. Can't understand why people want to take his picture.

You can't blame Greg for his injuries, and yeah he made some mistakes, but I can't say I don't blame him for nothing... he still did a real piss poor job of handling everything.

 

[magnifier661]

I get he was in a tough position, but blame Oden for nothing? The guy never owned up to anything in my opinion. Always blamed everybody but himself. Stereotyped the Airforce as drunks. Blamed all his drinking on his cousin. Said he couldn't hack it in Portland because nobody held his hand. Fired his therapist because he thought the Blazers were getting info from him. Said he sent dong pics because he didn't want to be an asshole for not responding. Let his blind dog have access to an 8th story balcony. Can't understand why people want to take his picture.

You can't blame Greg for his injuries, and yeah he made some mistakes, but I can't say I don't blame him for nothing... he still did a real piss poor job of handling everything.

This is a perfect post!

 

[Draco]

Well if guys like Adonal Foyle and Kwame Brown can get around $10million a year after they prove to be busts I think Oden will have a number of suitors in the $3 milliion range.