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chris_in_pdx said:
That's because not many NBA fans outside of Bill Simmons KNOWS about the 1978 Blazers.

BTW, you are looney tunes if you think the defense could focus on Dr. J. They had George McGinnis, Caldwell Jones, Doug Collins, World B. Free... all All-Star players that could take over a game.

All I'm saying is the it wouldn't be cut-and-dried. The 78 Blazers might have been the best TEAM to ever play. The Bulls would have their hands full.
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Homerism is so embarrassing at times. The '72 Lakers would have had a better shot against the 72-win Bull team. The NBA was pretty bad in the late-70s, before Bird and Magic elevated the level of play. The Sonics and Bullets were the two champions after Portland, and neither team had what anyone would call an all-time great franchise player leading them.
 
BBert said:
This. That 76ers team was considered a dream team of star players.
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That 76er team was 50-32 in the regular season. Hardly some sort of 'dream team'. It took them 7 games to beat a 44-38 Boston team in the playoffs.

History makes it out like the 76ers were invincible.

In their 3 playoffs series, they won 4-3 versus Boston, 4-2 versus Houston (Rudy T was Houston's best player), and lost 4-2 against the Blazers.
 
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Draco said:
I don't doubt the 6ers were hyped at the time. Yes we were supposed to be destroyed by that team and a huge underdog. They had the best dunker in NBA history! But we now know that wasn't a championship squad, those players never won a title together, and today Erving isn’t a top10 NBA player. At the time people may have thought they were watching the start of a dynasty, but it never happened. This was back in the day before expansion, only about 20 teams and less playoff rounds. If those 6ers were one of the greats of all time why didn’t they get to the finals the following season, or the season thereafter.

The 6ers had an entirely different roster when Erving finally won his lone title in 1983. The 1977 6ers were just a team on the long list of great contenders that couldn’t close the deal. I would rate the 1994 Suns well above those 6ers in terms of greatest teams to not win a title.
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Dr J would be LeBron today. He was easily the best player in he NBA. Those 76ers teams were not as deep as the Celtics. Joe Bryant would maybe have been 7th man on the Celtics. When they did add a McHale caliber player to the sixes, they did win the championship.

Geez. He took his team to the finals with a PG with a PER of 11 and a C with a PER of 12.
 
PapaG said:
Homerism is so embarrassing at times. The '72 Lakers would have had a better shot against the 72-win Bull team. The NBA was pretty bad in the late-70s, before Bird and Magic elevated the level of play. The Sonics and Bullets were the two champions after Portland, and neither team had what anyone would call an all-time great franchise player leading them.
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Elvin Hayes was an elite player.

Seattle was 16 deep.

Need the green font?
 
Denny Crane said:
Dr J would be LeBron today. He was easily the best player in he NBA. Those 76ers teams were not as deep as the Celtics. Joe Bryant would maybe have been 7th man on the Celtics. When they did add a McHale caliber player to the sixes, they did win the championship.

Geez. He took his team to the finals with a PG with a PER of 11 and a C with a PER of 12.
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NBA MVPs

1980-81 Julius Erving Philadelphia
1979-80 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles
1978-79 Moses Malone Houston
1977-78 Bill Walton Portland
1976-77 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles
1975-76 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles
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LOL
 
Denny Crane said:
Elvin Hayes was an elite player.

Seattle was 16 deep.

Need the green font?
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I don't even know why you try to argue anymore. Neither team had an all-time 'franchise player' leading it. What the fuck are you talking about now? I agree with you that the '98 Bulls are the best team ever. The silly posts about the '78 players got me interested in this thread again.
 
jlprk said:
Erving was far better than Pippen at offense.
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Draco said:
Its funny, I see posts talking about how the 6ers were a collection of stars and scorers without the concept of being a team. A team accomplishing far less than the sum of its parts. Then the same posts discount Scottie Pippen, the best complimentary player ever, as vastly inferior to Erving. Maybe those 6ers teams would've won if instead of Dr J they had someone to play lockdown defense, initiate offense, rebound the ball, shoot threes and take over as a scorer if needed.
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I expected someone to say that, so I carefully inserted "at offense." Also, Erving was a great dribbler (giant hands) and thus creator, and Pippen was not. (Pippen was better-coached by Jackson, though.)

PapaG said:
The NBA was pretty bad in the late-70s, before Bird and Magic elevated the level of play. The Sonics and Bullets were the two champions after Portland, and neither team had what anyone would call an all-time great franchise player leading them.
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You're falling for the history pushed by writers hired by Stern on NBA.com.--With the Celtics and Lakers down, the bearded hippie Northwest (Blazers and Sonics) were champions. But hark, White Knight Stern rode in and rescued the fair ladies in Boston and Los Angeles.

And Elvin Hayes was a franchise player, with Wes Unseld a near-one. Sikma was pretty good, too.
 
Looks like Denny posted most of what I said.
 
jlprk said:
I expected someone to say that, so I carefully inserted "at offense." Also, Erving was a great dribbler (giant hands) and thus creator, and Pippen was not. (Pippen was better-coached by Jackson, though.)



You're falling for the history pushed by writers hired by Stern on NBA.com.--With the Celtics and Lakers down, the bearded hippie Northwest (Blazers and Sonics) were champions. But hark, White Knight Stern rode in and rescued the fair ladies in Boston and Los Angeles.

And Elvin Hayes was a franchise player, with Wes Unseld a near-one. Sikma was pretty good, too.
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So was Brandon Roy. Doesn't mean that they were MVPs of the NBA.
 
PapaG said:
You said Dr. J was "easily" the best player in the game. During that time, Kareem won 3 MVPs, and Dr. J won zero.
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You made your own list of MVPs and Dr J was first on your list.

Won zero? Really?

Low information fan.
 
PapaG said:
Homerism is so embarrassing at times. The '72 Lakers would have had a better shot against the 72-win Bull team. The NBA was pretty bad in the late-70s, before Bird and Magic elevated the level of play. The Sonics and Bullets were the two champions after Portland, and neither team had what anyone would call an all-time great franchise player leading them.
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PapaG said:
NBA MVPs
1980-81 Julius Erving Philadelphia
1979-80 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles
1978-79 Moses Malone Houston
1977-78 Bill Walton Portland
1976-77 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles
1975-76 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles

LOL
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PapaG said:
So was Brandon Roy. Doesn't mean that they were MVPs of the NBA.
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You said franchise player. I said Elvin Hayes. You changed it to MVP.

PapaG said:
You said Dr. J was "easily" the best player in the game. During that time, Kareem won 3 MVPs, and Dr. J won zero.
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Pretty hard for an ABA player to win NBA MVP in 75-76. Since you want to include ABA years, sure, let's include the 4 MVP awards held by Erving and McGinnis. LOL yourself.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/mvp.html
 
12-time All Stars aren't franchise players.

SMH.
 
FWIW, I think the Bulls executed extremely well, but they also played a sort of scam that was hard to defend.

On offense, Jordan played PF. In the block. Back to the basket. Pippen played PG.

Four of the five starters were 6'7" and pretty much interchangeable.

Ron Harper was no PG. 2.9APG you can get by accident if you passed to Jordan and he made the shot. He was there to guard PGs so Pippen didn't have to chase around smaller PG types. When he sat, that über PG Steve Kerr ran the offense, right? LOL no, he stood around waiting for a pass for an open 3pt attempt.

Guard Jordan with a SF and he'd score in the post at will. Guard him with a PF and he'd rain 3pt shots on you. It was a gimmick.

The 6'7" guys let them pick and choose their match ups. Rodman guarded Greg Foster so Luc could keep that 7' hand in Malone's face. And Rodman was a DPOY at PF.

Consistently good. Game plan you didn't have much time to set up and practice against.

If anything, you have to give it to the team to actually play to win 72, when they could have coasted.
 
Denny Crane said:
You made your own list of MVPs and Dr J was first on your list.

Won zero? Really?

Low information fan.
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Um, I listed the MVPs from the 1976-77 season to the 1980-81 season in descending chronological order. Are you mentally retarded? It isn't "my list".
 
Eff it, I give up. The 50-10 Blazer team of 1977-78 is the greatest team ever. It's not worth arguing with idiots, because they only bring you down to their level.
 
PapaG said:
Eff it, I give up. The 50-10 Blazer team of 1977-78 is the greatest team ever. It's not worth arguing with idiots, because they only bring you down to their level.
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You run out green ink FAMS?


Sent from HCPs Baller-Ass iPhone 5...FAMS!
 
Look, I love that 77-78 team, but it was a different game in the late-70s vs the mid-90s. I would argue we were the equal of the 72-wins Bulls team on offense, but we would have been suffocated by their defense. That free-flowing Ramsay offense wouldn't have gotten going.
 
maxiep said:
Look, I love that 77-78 team, but it was a different game in the late-70s vs the mid-90s. I would argue we were the equal of the 72-wins Bulls team on offense, but we would have been suffocated by their defense. That free-flowing Ramsay offense wouldn't have gotten going.
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Unless they played in 1978, when Lucas could punch out Jordan. :ghoti:
 
Talking about Bill Laimbeer. Where does he rank among all time centers?
 
BigGameDamian said:
Talking about Bill Laimbeer. Where does he rank among all time centers?
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Not high. I can name, off the top of my head 14 old centers better than he was.

Kareem, Wilt, Robinson, Shaq, Walton, Duncan, Ewing, Daughterty, Russel, Moses Malone, Sampson, Sabas, Hakeem, Eaton
 
PapaG said:
NBA MVPs

1980-81 Julius Erving Philadelphia
1979-80 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles
1978-79 Moses Malone Houston
1977-78 Bill Walton Portland
1976-77 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles
1975-76 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles

LOL
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PapaG said:
Um, I listed the MVPs from the 1976-77 season to the 1980-81 season in descending chronological order. Are you mentally retarded? It isn't "my list".
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Still covering up after I told you you included an ABA year, eh. Still leaving out ABA MVPs.
 
PapaG said:
Eff it, I give up. The 50-10 Blazer team of 1977-78 is the greatest team ever. It's not worth arguing with idiots, because they only bring you down to their level.
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No one said they were "The Greatest Team Ever", it was just postulated by me that they are a team that, as constructed, could have beaten the 1996 Chicago Bulls in a 7 game series. COULD HAVE. I was fortunate to see both teams in person, and they were both cold blooded killer machines.

Sports Illustrated at the time called them "historic". They weren't just beating teams, they were destroying them.

It would be fun to watch.
 
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