Exclusive The Kanter poll

[B-Roy]

I agree, he looked nervous and unsure of himself. Talked about losing sleep over it all repeatedly and didn't really have a solid answer for his decision. He did mention being in the history books in Portland and his roots here. Maybe a clear case of second guessing himself. Seemed happy for Pop to direct his answer by not selling him on anything but simply telling him what he should do. I think it came down to him saying, you come here and Tim will sign for 2 years and I'll coach for 5 more

Everything he said re-affirms what Olshey and Woj have said.

In that he held the franchise hostage, making Neil working two plans because of Aldridge's uncertainty, only to have him bolt at the end anyways. Instead of being able to focus all our efforts on one path, we tiptoed the line between both, and while doing so, free agents were dropping left and right. Free agents that we could have aggressively pursued had we known what direction we wanted to take.

I won't hold it to him for his decision, it's his choice, and the blame also partly falls on Allen and Olshey's shoulders for always believing in the miniscule chance that Aldridge would return.

But seriously? Fuck him. He's erased from Blazer history as far as I'm concerned. He never cared about us and I will never care about him again. Good riddance.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

LMA is going to be the new Richard Jefferson.

His game is going to disappear?

Or everyone is going to constantly wonder if he's gay?

Or both?

 

[jlprk]

He seeed to feel a litle guilty. Everyone was joyful except him. Maybe he thought more Blazer fans would watch, but few did. I think the Spurs site will get either a full video or audio, but for now there are these short excerpts.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/archive#

 

[oldmangrouch]

23 year old huge center who has shown some nice offensive move and can be a beast on the boards. Sure he makes Lillard look like an all D first teamer. Its not a bad sign because as long as he doesnt completely suck he will be an easily tradeable contract next season.

Uh, no.

That is the point of demanding a trade kicker - it is a way of getting a "no trade" clause when you are not actually eligible for one. Whether he lands in Portland or OKC, they are stuck with him for the duration.

 

[Denny Crane]

Uh, no.

That is the point of demanding a trade kicker - it is a way of getting a "no trade" clause when you are not actually eligible for one. Whether he lands in Portland or OKC, they are stuck with him for the duration.

Not sure this is true. I think the player can give up the kicker if he wants, and I think teams can trade taking the kicker amount into account.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Not sure this is true. I think the player can give up the kicker if he wants, and I think teams can trade taking the kicker amount into account.

Yeah, I believe Hibbert waived the kicker for his trade to the Fake Show.

 

[Rhal]

Uh, no.

That is the point of demanding a trade kicker - it is a way of getting a "no trade" clause when you are not actually eligible for one. Whether he lands in Portland or OKC, they are stuck with him for the duration.

Also the kicker only adds 15% to the deal which basically ups his salary by 2m a year. If a team wants him at 16 a year I dont think making it 18 a year is going to drive people away.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Not sure this is true. I think the player can give up the kicker if he wants, and I think teams can trade taking the kicker amount into account.

I may be wrong, but my understanding is that the kicker isn't just an out-of-pocket expense - it means that he becomes a bigger cap hit to his new team than he was for the Blazers. Unless he waives, that makes any deal way more complicated for both teams. (eg Portland would be sending $17 mil out, but need to take $17+ back to balance the books for the receiving team)

 

[Denny Crane]

I may be wrong, but my understanding is that the kicker isn't just an out-of-pocket expense - it means that he becomes a bigger cap hit to his new team than he was for the Blazers. Unless he waives, that makes any deal way more complicated for both teams. (eg Portland would be sending $17 mil out, but need to take $17+ back to balance the books for the receiving team)

Yes, the kicker has to be considered in the cap balance of the trade. But it's not going to make anyone stuck with him.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

BTW, someone read a tweet by Jason Quick, they PM'd me and asked to make a poll for him.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Headshake. LMA started his first Spurs press conference with "Uh, you know..."

 

[Scalma]

Lollol I'm glad I don't have to listen to aldridge talk anymore.

 

[HailBlazers]

Funny thing, reminds me of Chris Kaman. Kind of a black hole on offense but is crafty around the basket.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Funny thing, reminds me of Chris Kaman. Kind of a black hole on offense but is crafty around the basket.

So does anybody seriously think a ballstopper like Kanter is going to fit in with Stotts' scheme?

Christ I hope the Thunder match.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Yes, the kicker has to be considered in the cap balance of the trade. But it's not going to make anyone stuck with him.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. There is a reason they call such provisions "poison pills."

 

[Mediocre Man]

So does anybody seriously think a ballstopper like Kanter is going to fit in with Stotts' scheme?

Christ I hope the Thunder match.

Yes. Go back and watch how many times LA swung the ball in rythym.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Yes. Go back and watch how many times LA swung the ball in rythym.

He wasn't great, but he did OK, but I also wasn't one of the people who thought Aldridge was capable of being the linchpin of a championship caliber team.

 

[Mediocre Man]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. There is a reason they call such provisions "poison pills."

I haven't been reading the back and forth, but I think a kicker is paid by the team trading the player away and absorbed in the cap space if the new team. So Kanter trade would be hard to do because of salary matchez. However, i also thought a max player wouldnt receive anything

 

[Denny Crane]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. There is a reason they call such provisions "poison pills."

It's not a poison pill, though. More like a bitter tasting one.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/2014-15-nba-trade-kickers/

It is the team trading away the player that is responsible for paying the bonus — unless the contract was signed prior to the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement (Toronto Raptors’ Amir Johnson and Cleveland Cavaliers’ Anderson Varejao), which is then paid by the acquiring franchise.

Players will not receive their bonus if they are already over the NBA’s maximum salary. For example, should the Utah Jazz choose to trade Gordon Hayward, who was recently signed to a maximum salary for the 2014-15 season at $14.75 million, his 15 percent trade kicker would have no effect. Hayward, like most free agents signed this summer, cannot be traded until December 15 and isn’t likely to be dealt at all this season.

Chandler Parsons, of the Dallas Mavericks, received a near maximum contract at $14.70 million. While he also has a 15 percent trade bonus in his contract, he would only receive $46,000 (technically $92,000 over two seasons), which would push him up to the max in 2014-15.

Meanwhile, a player like Steve Nash of the Los Angeles Lakers would earn his full 15 percent kicker if dealt, increasing his salary from $9.70 million to $11.16 million.

 

[Scalma]

The trade kicker was a big reason why Houston passed on parsons. Something along the lines of it being an unmovable asset

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

BTW, someone read a tweet by Jason Quick, they PM'd me and asked to make a poll for him.

I read the tweet, posted, and said someone should make a poll on it. But I did not, nor will I ever, send Sly a PM.

I might send him a BM, though.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

So does anybody seriously think a ballstopper like Kanter is going to fit in with Stotts' scheme?

Christ I hope the Thunder match.

All of their beat writers believe they'll match. I know we flip crap to a lot of our beat writers, but this kind of stuff, they usually have a feel for.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I read the tweet, posted, and said someone should make a poll on it. But I did not, nor will I ever, send Sly a PM.

I might send him a BM, though.

I didn't say it was you. Someone read the Quick tweet you posted and sent me a private message asking me to make a poll.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I didn't say it was you. Someone read the Quick tweet you posted and sent me a private message asking me to make a poll.

I didn't say someone didn't send you a PM. I just wanted to clarify for the people, since I did post, along with the tweet, that someone should make a poll (I was too lazy to do so). If they read my post, they'd assume I made the request, and since people are confused by the thread, I didn't want to be held accountable. I only want to hold others accountable.