Notice The Meyers Leonard block watch

[Scalma]

And I'd wager neither of these guys get shit on by their fans as much as Meyers does by Blazers fans.

That’s because shitty players don’t usually stick around a team for 8 years.

 

[tlongII]

Big. Man. Coach.

 

[Chris Craig]

Sighting last night against the Pels! Meyers got blocked from playing by Stotts who went with Swanigan instead.

 

[Boob-No-More]

It is weird though, in college he blocked two shots a game as a soph. People expected him to become a good shotblocker in the pros.

Ultimately Meyers is responsible for Meyers, but I have mentioned this before. I think any shot blocking ability Meyers once had has been coached out of him. In addition to leading the Big 10, a pretty fucking major college conference, in blocked shots as a sophomore, Meyers also blocked 38 shots, in limited minutes, his rookie year. That's not exactly Mutombo-like, but it's also a LOT more than ZERO. The three players who blocked more shots (Aldridge, Batum and Hickson) all played 2x as many minutes. Meyers Leonard actually did not suck at blocking shots his rookie year.

After his rookie year, the coaches worked with him to go straight up, not swing at the ball or try to block shots. The idea was to avoid excessive fouls trying to block shots. The whole vertical thing. That worked great for Joel Freeland, but it's not like Meyers was foul prone as a rookie. He averaged 5.0 PF/36 to go with those 38 BLKs as a 20-year old rookie. Last year, as a 25-year old player in his sixth NBA season, he averaged 5.1 PF/36 to go with ZERO BLKs. What did we gain here?

Again Meyers is responsible for Meyers, but he was NOT Joel Freeland. He was 7'1" and could run and jump - and block shots. Encouraging him to not even try to block shots contributed to the fact that he no longer blocks shots. I can't help but think the two are related.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Big. Man. Coach.

Yup.

I think Jim Moran is a good assistant coach, in general. I think he may even someday be an NBA head coach. But, I don't think he's doping a great job coaching up our big men. And I'm not just talking about Meyers...

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Ultimately Meyers is responsible for Meyers, but I have mentioned this before. I think any shot blocking ability Meyers once had has been coached out of him. In addition to leading the Big 10, a pretty fucking major college conference, in blocked shots as a sophomore, Meyers also blocked 38 shots, in limited minutes, his rookie year. That's not exactly Mutombo-like, but it's also a LOT more than ZERO. The three players who blocked more shots (Aldridge, Batum and Hickson) all played 2x as many minutes. Meyers Leonard actually did not suck at blocking shots his rookie year.

After his rookie year, the coaches worked with him to go straight up, not swing at the ball or try to block shots. The idea was to avoid excessive fouls trying to block shots. The whole vertical thing. That worked great for Joel Freeland, but it's not like Meyers was foul prone as a rookie. He averaged 5.0 PF/36 to go with those 38 BLKs as a 20-year old rookie. Last year, as a 25-year old player in his sixth NBA season, he averaged 5.1 PF/36 to go with ZERO BLKs. What did we gain here?

Again Meyers is responsible for Meyers, but he was NOT Joel Freeland. He was 7'1" and could run and jump - and block shots. Encouraging him to not even try to block shots contributed to the fact that he no longer blocks shots. I can't help but think the two are related.

BNM

Yup. The Blazers have been mismanaging big men ever since Tim Grgurich left the team. It concerns me for the future of Nurk and Collins.

 

[blue9]

Meyers is awesome! Not as a basketball player, no. But as a teammate, I love the guy.
I can't remember who it was, but I wanna say it was Jake who went down under the hoop after being fouled and Meyers jumped off the bench and was the first out there to help him off the floor. He never pouts and it's always supportive of his teammates - even the ones taking minutes that may have been his under different circumstances. Meyers is a great dude, and I'd be fine to retain him as our 3rd string C on a vet minimum contract.

 

[BlayZa]

i know we slam on meyers a lot, but he's honestly the most mismanaged, delusional but athletically gifted 7 footer we've ever had.

again, if we had a big man coach of any fuckin ability what so ever, he could be a completely serviceable player - but whoever told him to sag on every play, chill on the edges, hit a 3 every other game etc needs to be shot.

as ive said, he needs to be locked in a cave with Karl Malone, Dennis Rodman, Alonzo Mourning, David Robinson and the Dream for like a year and they can completely reboot him.

I know I specifically shit on meyers a ton, but most of it is frustration about his inability to use his most obvious assets. he's big, strong, fast, athletic, hops, can shoot etc but is a complete wallflower on the court.

If i had all those assets, i'd be like "right mahfuckers, im going in...." every time, muscle people, block out, dominate boards, alley oops, arrrrrrrrrgh its just so bewildering....

 

[Boob-No-More]

Yup. The Blazers have been mismanaging big men ever since Tim Grgurich left the team. It concerns me for the future of Nurk and Collins.

This staff does a GREAT job developing guards, but the steadfast refusal to hire a proven big man coach drives me nuts. I'm not claiming they would have ever been all stars, but both Meyers and Noah Vonleh were lottery picks that we pissed away. They both could have been better than they are. Maybe not great, or even good, but better.

Collins has great instincts and has been well coached at lower levels. So, hopefully he has a chance. Nurk for all he does well, still has some significant weaknesses in his game. Swanigan is a great rebounder with a good nose for the ball, but that's a skill he brought with him, not one he's been taught by our staff. Fuck even decent players like Ed Davis and Mason Plumlee never developed offensively during their time here. They both left POR as the same players they were when they arrived.

BNM

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Really???? Wow, thank you so much for your wise insights. I've only been participating in online forums since the mid-1980s and no one ever told me I didn't have to participate in every thread. This will surely be life changing for me. Thank you so much for your sage wisdom and concern for mental well being. You have truly done me a service.

Have a nice day!
Jack Handy

Your welcome. Yes now you know you can stop whining about threads others create you don't like.

 

[Boob-No-More]

i know we slam on meyers a lot, but he's honestly the most mismanaged, delusional but athletically gifted 7 footer we've ever had.

again, if we had a big man coach of any fuckin ability what so ever, he could be a completely serviceable player - but whoever told him to sag on every play, chill on the edges, hit a 3 every other game etc needs to be shot.

The parts in bold are not reasons to hate on Meyers.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Your welcome. Yes now you know you can stop whining about threads others create you don't like.

And you can stop whining about my whining.

See, I'm learning already, princess. Thanks for the help!

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

This staff does a GREAT job developing guards, but the steadfast refusal to hire a proven big man coach drives me nuts. I'm not claiming they would have ever been all stars, but both Meyers and Noah Vonleh were lottery picks that we pissed away. They both could have been better than they are. Maybe not great, or even good, but better.

Collins has great instincts and has been well coached at lower levels. So, hopefully he has a chance. Nurk for all he does well, still has some significant weaknesses in his game. Swanigan is a great rebounder with a good nose for the ball, but that's a skill he brought with him, not one he's been taught by our staff. Fuck even decent players like Ed Davis and Mason Plumlee never developed offensively during their time here. They both left POR as the same players they were when they arrived.

BNM

I don't remember the name of the guy that worked with LMA, but they did alright with him. He developed a pretty damn good offensive game (albeit while watching his defense slip from what it was in college.)

The Vonleh thing pisses me off. We dealt away Batum and basically got nothing for him. Vonleh was raw but he had promise. I'm happy for him that he's finally seeing some results, but this team is so completely guard centric that it drives me up the wall. It's strange because Stotts was brought in FOR LMA. I guess it makes sense because he wants to make every young big into Dirk.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

None of this is news. It's been beaten to death for the last 6 years. I won't even disagree with you or try to argue There's no point.

And, that brings me back to my first post in this thread...

Last night at the team was pulling away en route to their third straight win, to go 6-2 for the young season, in a game where the bench contributed 50 points and Meyers Leonard didn't play, not even during garbage time, the OP decided, hmmm nothing else to bitch about tonight, I think I'll start another Meyers Leonard bashing thread so all the other haters can pile on.

Why the fuck can't we just enjoy this team? Why do we always need to find something negative to post about no matter how well things are going? The usual targets are the GM and the coach, but the GM built us a great bench that has been key to our early season success and the coach has figured out how to use that bench and make Evan Turner useful. He's even done a good job with his substitutions, refusing to go small against HOU and punishing fuck out of them with Nurk. Combine that with Turner playing well and we NEED something to bitch about.

Wait, I know MEYERS!!! That's an easy one. Never mind that he didn't play last night, barely plays at all and hasn't hurt the team when he has played. Doesn't matter. Just start a thread and the Meyers haters will pile on the exact same arguments we've all been hearing for YEARS.

I'm not even defending Meyers here. For fuck sake, he's our 3rd string center. How many threads do we need about him?

The real reason I posted in this thread, is the pervasive negativity that runs through this forum. Even when things are going well, we NEED to have something to bitch about. Even if it's the same old easy target, who didn't even play last night.

And yes, I get that I'm bitching about the bitching. I just get tried of all the unnecessary negativity around here sometimes.

BNM

For not wanting a thread to exist it seems you are enjoying it enough to post a book.

At least others are discussing players. Your whining about posters.

 

[Natebishop3]

For not wanting a thread to exist it seems you are enjoying it enough to post a book.

Man..... Wes has gotten salty in his time down in Dallas. Has losing jaded you that much Iron Man?

 

[Boob-No-More]

For not wanting a thread to exist it seems you are enjoying it enough to post a book.

At least others are discussing players. Your whining about posters.

I am discussing players too.Try to pay better attention and keep up. You may miss out on a chance to get in a dig at me, but you might learn something, too.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

I don't remember the name of the guy that worked with LMA, but they did alright with him. He developed a pretty damn good offensive game (albeit while watching his defense slip from what it was in college.)

The Vonleh thing pisses me off. We dealt away Batum and basically got nothing for him. Vonleh was raw but he had promise. I'm happy for him that he's finally seeing some results, but this team is so completely guard centric that it drives me up the wall. It's strange because Stotts was brought in FOR LMA. I guess it makes sense because he wants to make every young big into Dirk.

I believe you are thinking of former Blazers assistant Bill Bayno, Tim Grgurich's successor at UNLV.

BNM

 

[tlongII]

Yup. The Blazers have been mismanaging big men ever since Tim Grgurich left the team. It concerns me for the future of Nurk and Collins.

Fortunately Collins has been progressing well regardless. I think he just understands the game better than the other big men we have.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Fortunately Collins has been progressing well regardless. I think he just understands the game better than the other big men we have.

Good instincts and well coached at lower levels. He has a much more solid fundamental base than Meyer, Vonleh, or even Nurk and Swanigan.

BNM

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Meyers Leonard is a block tease!

/close thread

 

[beast blazer]

The sad thing will be watching layman and stauskas walk out the door next year because ownership will not want to go into luxury tax.

 

[ripcityboy]

The sad thing will be watching layman and stauskas walk out the door next year because ownership will not want to go into luxury tax.

Let's see how we do this year in the playoffs before write any Agony Aunt letters to national columnists aboit our situation. The Vulcans wan't this team as attraxtive to other clients as posdivle. They could okay the transactions and then have another owner pay thd bill.

 

[BlayZa]

The parts in bold are not reasons to hate on Meyers.

BNM

Rise Up doco is enough reason.

also if he cant tell he's being wrongly utilised then yeah it is, how can he be in the gym looking at himself thinking, oh yeah time to hit some 3s occassionaly n ride the pine!

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

His DNP's are really starting to fuck up my thread.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Update:

299 minutes
ZERO blocks

 

[TBpup]

No one making only $10 million is the worst contract in the NBA

Thank you, much love.

~Meyers Leonard.

 

[KingSpeed]

I believe you are thinking of former Blazers assistant Bill Bayno, Tim Grgurich's successor at UNLV.

BNM

He’s still with Nate in Indy now.

 

[tykendo]

Can we buy him out, and trade for Ed Davis.

 

[stampedehero]

No he doesn't. Not even close.

Timofey Mozgov is making $16 million this year. He is averaging 4 ppg and 3 rebounds in 11.6 minutes per game.

Allen Crabbe is making $18.5 million this year. He is averaging 7.3 ppg on 26% shooting in 22 minutes per game.

There are SIGNIFICANTLY worse contracts.

Good points! However, they are playing. Lately Meyers collects cash and has a bench rash.

 

[jlprk]