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OneSport3 said:
When it happens a couple times within a game, that's on the players. When it happens continuously for 3 games straight, that's on the coach.
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Not buying it, players are taught in like middle school to stop the ball and get back on defense, they all know what they did or in this case didnt do.
Im not even defensing Stotts, Im saying though the Players were literally jogging, back and Green was running right by em. You could hear Stotts yelling at them to get back at times too.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Not buying it, players are taught in like middle school to stop the ball and get back on defense, they all know what they did or in this case didnt do.
Im not even defensing Stotts, Im saying though the Players were literally jogging, back and Green was running right by em. You could hear Stotts yelling at them to get back at times too.
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I disagree wholeheartedly. If you as a coach can't get one single player on your team to do something as simple as pick-up the ball, then you have way bigger issues.
 
OneSport3 said:
I disagree wholeheartedly. If you as a coach can't get one single player on your team to do something as simple as pick-up the ball, then you have way bigger issues.
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I think the reason we saw much ET in game 4 was he was the only one picking up Green, before he got to the FT line coming down hill at full speed. Unfortunately ET isnt very good.
I would never ever blame my coach because I’M not getting back on defense. All Terry could do if his forwards werent gonna try, was to stick them on the bench and he did.
 
How many times did this happen during the season? How many times did the coach even pointed that during film session? In the huddle? This never happens to good coached teams with a defensive mentality. This is coached from training camp.
Stotts has been with most of these guys for 3+ years and they still don't care about picking up the ball carrier.
That's why I do NOT believe in Stotts. You can give him all the talent in the world, he will not be capable of coaching them to success .
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Not buying it, players are taught in like middle school to stop the ball and get back on defense, they all know what they did or in this case didnt do.
Im not even defensing Stotts, Im saying though the Players were literally jogging, back and Green was running right by em. You could hear Stotts yelling at them to get back at times too.
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TorturedBlazerFan said:
I think the reason we saw much ET in game 4 was he was the only one picking up Green, before he got to the FT line coming down hill at full speed. Unfortunately ET isnt very good.
I would never ever blame my coach because I’M not getting back on defense. All Terry could do if his forwards werent gonna try, was to stick them on the bench and he did.
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But it doesn't have to be just your forwards, it can be anybody on the court. For the Raptors, you see Lowry or Van Vleet pick him up. All you have to do is literally get in front of him.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Yeah Stotts was in the huddle saying Please dont stop the ball. That crap was on the players not even doing basic basketball stuff.
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Then he should call a goddamn timeout after it happens. He should yank whoever is failing to pick up ball. Or he should do a better job of getting the message across to his team.
 
joeBlazers said:
How many times did this happen during the season? How many times did the coach even pointed that during film session? In the huddle? This never happens to good coached teams with a defensive mentality. This is coached from training camp.
Stotts has been with most of these guys for 3+ years and they still don't care about picking up the ball carrier.
That's why I do NOT believe in Stotts. You can give him all the talent in the world, he will not be capable of coaching them to success .
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I wasnt counting how many times it happened in the season... I wasnt in their film sessions or huddles either.

I think Moe and Aminu pretty much got embarrassed. Hood and Zach out played them in playoffs.

Also “it never happens to good defensive teams” is just wrong.

Miami was a good defensive team when SAS was running them out of the gym in the finals a few years ago...

Lots of stuff you can hate on Stotts for, and maybe you can say he wasnt inspiring them correctly or something but ultimately they’re professional athletes, they shouldnt need a coach to beg them into getting back on defense in the wcf...
 
BonesJones said:
Then he should call a goddamn timeout after it happens. He should yank whoever is failing to pick up ball. Or he should do a better job of getting the message across to his team.
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He obviously did yank guys for not getting back, thats why Aminu was playing less and less, and even harkless too.
 
OneSport3 said:
But it doesn't have to be just your forwards, it can be anybody on the court. For the Raptors, you see Lowry or Van Vleet pick him up. All you have to do is literally get in front of him.
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Meyers was the only one in game three who tried too but he was too slow. The guards included, but it was mainly the forwards, because when they would try to pick him up he’d just pass the ball to an open player because his team was running.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Come on man, youve played, when you dont get back on defense do you go tell your coach it was his fault you werent back on defense?
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What are you talking about? He wasn't sending someone to the table or calling timeouts right after those mistakes happened.
 
Im just saying Stotts can yell scream, make subs, do whatever but if no one on the team is going to get back on defense like is he supposed to go get guys from the crowd to play? He did sub guys out, and call time outs, they were either incapable or just didnt care.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I think the reason we saw much ET in game 4 was he was the only one picking up Green, before he got to the FT line coming down hill at full speed. Unfortunately ET isnt very good.
I would never ever blame my coach because I’M not getting back on defense. All Terry could do if his forwards werent gonna try, was to stick them on the bench and he did.
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If what you're saying is true that Stotts gets no blame, then this team has no hope. They should blow up this team. If NONE of your players have the ability/IQ to do something as simple as stopping the ball, how do you expect them to execute PNR coverage and team help defense?

Think about it. You're telling me that not a single player can step up and just get in front of him in 3 games???
 
OneSport3 said:
If what you're saying is true that Stotts gets no blame, then this team has no hope. They should blow up this team. If NONE of your players have the ability/IQ to do something as simple as stopping the ball, how do you expect them to execute PNR coverage and team help defense?

Think about it. You're telling me that not a single player can step up and just get in front of him in 3 games???
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I didnt say Stotts gets no blame, just not all of it. Truthfully though, Im ok with blowing up the team. GS broke them, its like what Lebron did to indy, toronto, the celtics for a while, atlanta. GS so obviously has mentally kicked Portlands collective heads in I dont believe Portland players deep down think they can beat them when it matters. Blazers need something big to happen even more than just Nurk playing to make them believe they can win.
 
OneSport3 said:
If what you're saying is true that Stotts gets no blame, then this team has no hope. They should blow up this team. If NONE of your players have the ability/IQ to do something as simple as stopping the ball, how do you expect them to execute PNR coverage and team help defense?

Think about it. You're telling me that not a single player can step up and just get in front of him in 3 games???
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Oh and for the record I include Stotts amongst those that GS has broken... He seemed to be at a complete loss for what to do in that series.
I just dont believe at all that the entire collapse all 3 of them, were ALL Stott’s fault, the whole team collapsed.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Yeah Stotts was in the huddle saying Please dont stop the ball. That crap was on the players not even doing basic basketball stuff.
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He had 82 games to practice 'not stopping the ball' through the season....without success.

The little things matter during the playoffs. You can't play one way during the season & flip a switch & play flawless basketball.

Based on their play, the Blazers either 1) have tuned Terry out 2) don't respect him enough as coach or 3) Terry isnt being clear enough in setting the standard & enforcing it
 
tester551 said:
He had 82 games to practice 'not stopping the ball' through the season....without success.

The little things matter during the playoffs. You can't play one way during the season & flip a switch & play flawless basketball.

Based on their play, the Blazers either 1) have tuned Terry out 2) don't respect him enough as coach or 3) Terry isnt being clear enough in setting the standard & enforcing it
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You’re mixing up two different things here. They switched their defensive schemes to try to play GS and that really hurt them in the half court because they didnt know their rotations, and had obviously not practiced it that much. That to me is an absolutely fair criticism of Stotts, why not mix it up in the regular season and practice it before the WCF’s.

This discussion has been centered mostly around Draymond pushing the ball in transition or secondary transition and no one picking up the ball, sure coaching is part of that, but I really dont get people saying its all the coaches fault the players didnt get back on defense... Thats for the Players to determine and TALK while on the court who’s got the ball, and to put effort in.
 
joeBlazers said:
How many times did this happen during the season? How many times did the coach even pointed that during film session? In the huddle? This never happens to good coached teams with a defensive mentality. This is coached from training camp.
Stotts has been with most of these guys for 3+ years and they still don't care about picking up the ball carrier.
That's why I do NOT believe in Stotts. You can give him all the talent in the world, he will not be capable of coaching them to success .
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That is the key. Great coaches set the expectation at the beginning of the year and revisit & tighten up the little things all year long.

Stotts is a good coach for the regular season. However, he lets a lot of things slip as long as the Blazers are generally playing well. It takes a special coach to find the right balance of demanding exactness while still keeping the team engaged.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
You’re mixing up two different things here. They switched their defensive schemes to try to play GS and that really hurt them in the half court because they didnt know their rotations, and had obviously not practiced it that much. That to me is an absolutely fair criticism of Stotts, why not mix it up in the regular season and practice it before the WCF’s.

This discussion has been centered mostly around Draymond pushing the ball in transition or secondary transition and no one picking up the ball, sure coaching is part of that, but I really dont get people saying its all the coaches fault the players didnt get back on defense... Thats for the Players to determine and TALK while on the court who’s got the ball, and to put effort in.
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When it happens a couple of times within the course of a single game, I agree that's on the players. But when it extends to multiple games without a remedy/solution then it's systemic and that's on the coach. Either the players are clueless or the message from the coach is not being communicated.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
You’re mixing up two different things here. They switched their defensive schemes to try to play GS and that really hurt them in the half court because they didnt know their rotations, and had obviously not practiced it that much. That to me is an absolutely fair criticism of Stotts, why not mix it up in the regular seasom and practice it before the WCF’s.

This discussion has been centered mostly around Draymond pushing the ball in transition or secondary transition and no one picking up the ball, sure coaching is part of that, but I really dont get people saying its all the coaches fault the players didnt get back on defense... Thats for the Players to determine and TALK while on the court who’s got the ball, and to put effort in.
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Very well put. The blame goes all the way around.

Stopping the ball is not a scheme, but stopping a PF from taking the ball up the court can be impacted by scheme or priorities in the game-plan. If Stotts was willing to match up with GS on the defensive end the exact same way as GS matched up with Portland, it would limit Green's ability to to push the ball up the court. Of course, he would then get blasted for having poor matchups on the other end.

If the priority was to commit multiple bodies to Green anytime he was taking the ball up the court with a full head of steam, there's little doubt Green would have got far less layups. The problem is Curry and Thompson would've been left wide open for threes and people would be asking why we're not picking up the two best shooters in the league.

A Warriors team with Steph, Klay, Green, Iguodala are going to put immense pressure on any team/coaching staff. In particular a team who lacks length and has multiple one-dimensional players.
 
OneSport3 said:
When it happens a couple of times within the course of a single game, I agree that's on the players. But when it extends to multiple games without a remedy/solution then it's systemic and that's on the coach. Either the players are clueless or the message from the coach is not being communicated.
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The transition problem was mainly game 3 in the 1st half where Draymond was pushing it right past them. Game 2 was just an epic meltdown of turnovers, bad shots, and just stupid basketball for a half. GM 4 transistiom defense hurt them, too but not as bad.

See I think while it had moments of showing up in the series it wasnt all 3 games for extended periods.

I firmly believe GS beat the Blazers mentally, and its not an easy fix when a team owns you like that. Thats what I dont like about keeping Stotts / CJ / Dame / Moe and Aminu together, GS knows they can turn it on and beat them whenever.
 
Tince said:
Very well put. The blame goes all the way around.

Stopping the ball is not a scheme, but stopping a PF from taking the ball up the court can be impacted by scheme or priorities in the game-plan. If Stotts was willing to match up with GS on the defensive end the exact same way as GS matched up with Portland, it would limit Green's ability to to push the ball up the court. Of course, he would then get blasted for having poor matchups on the other end.

If the priority was to commit multiple bodies to Green anytime he was taking the ball up the court with a full head of steam, there's little doubt Green would have got far less layups. The problem is Curry and Thompson would've been left wide open for threes and people would be asking why we're not picking up the two best shooters in the league.

A Warriors team with Steph, Klay, Green, Iguodala are going to put immense pressure on any team/coaching staff. In particular a team who lacks length and has multiple one-dimensional players.
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Watching the Raptors defend Green when he tries to push the ball, all they do is have Lowry or Van Vleet get in front of him and impend his progress. He will then slow down and pull it back and reset the offense. That's literally all it takes.
 
OneSport3 said:
When it happens a couple of times within the course of a single game, I agree that's on the players. But when it extends to multiple games without a remedy/solution then it's systemic and that's on the coach. Either the players are clueless or the message from the coach is not being communicated.
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Both options are plausible, but those can't be the only two possibilities. One could give a collection of short, unathletic, super high basketball IQ players a very sound strategy and they could simply be unable to execute. This is overly simplistic, but shows that it's not just about the players or coach.

All schemes include something you are willing to give up in order to take something away. It's not like Portland came out and had this horrible scheme that GS just dominated from start to finish. Portland was up 17 in three out of the four games and lead for more minutes in the series. It's hard to believe that a team with less talent and horrible scheme would be able to claim either of those two stats.
 
OneSport3 said:
Watching the Raptors defend Green when he tries to push the ball, all they do is have Lowry or Van Vleet get in front of him and impend his progress. He will then slow down and pull it back and reset the offense. That's literally all it takes.
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Thats not all it takes. A) lowry and Van Fleet are Stout guards who are quick enough to stay in front of him. B)Toronto’s forwards get back really well on defense so they can hand him off. Siakam and Kawhi are like so astronomically better on defense than Aminu and Harkless, especially transition.
C) tonight doesnt really count the warriors only one had one guy who could score so the threat of guarding a wing was mostly non existent.
 
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OneSport3 said:
Watching the Raptors defend Green when he tries to push the ball, all they do is have Lowry or Van Vleet get in front of him and impend his progress. He will then slow down and pull it back and reset the offense. That's literally all it takes.
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So this great Raptors strategy is holding GS to 15.3 fastbreak points per game in the finals. The Blazers gave up 16.0 fastbreak points per game in the WCF.
 
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