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GhostOfPGA said:
I’d say we have a great top 3.

Dame (top 10 player)
CJ (top 5 SG)
Nurkic (arguably top 5 center)

We need to build quality depth around them, which we are doing.
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CJ is definitely a top 5 SG this year. With Klay out, and Oladipo not fully healthy (yet), I would definitely agree.

Nurkic though, I’m not so sure. We have no idea when he will be back or what form he will be in. I’m also not sure he’s a top 5 center as is (Jokic, Embiid, Gobert, AD, Vuc, Towns)
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Very often but normally those teams don’t stretch their roster THIS thin.
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As people have mentioned before, their bench gets filled with cheap vet mins and ring chasers because having those big players attracts capable guys.

So, fill out the top of your team, and the rest will follow.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Very often but normally those teams don’t stretch their roster THIS thin.
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Stretch what roster this thin?

None of us even know what the Lakers roster will look like.

And if I had to take a guess

It won’t be a bunch of D Leaguers.

It’ll be a bunch of people ring chasing.

Hard to call a roster thin before it’s even assembled.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Of course he'd be the best option, but I don't see him as a realistic possibility, which is why I omitted him from the post to which you responded.
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Considering there was a report that said he is meeting with them...

And Woj said the other day (maybe Shams or Stein) that the Lakers weren’t out of it...

I added my opinion that Kawhi is who they should go after.

I also didn’t know you omitted Kawhi because you didn’t think it was realistic. I saw your next post after I responded.

Sorry.
 
JoshuaHall said:
Stretch what roster this thin?

None of us even know what the Lakers roster will look like.

And if I had to take a guess

It won’t be a bunch of D Leaguers.

It’ll be a bunch of people ring chasing.

Hard to call a roster thin before it’s even assembled.
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Yeah LA is gonna get 11 vet min ring chasers :doh:
 
JoshuaHall said:
Stretch what roster this thin?

None of us even know what the Lakers roster will look like.

And if I had to take a guess

It won’t be a bunch of D Leaguers.

It’ll be a bunch of people ring chasing.

Hard to call a roster thin before it’s even assembled.
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I'm not so sure. Warriors were appealing because they had already won and they move the ball well. The same is not true (yet) for the LBDA L@kers. I'm guessing touches will be harder to come by--which means stats and personal value may also go down.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Yeah LA is gonna get 11 vet min ring chasers :doh:
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Reep said:
I'm not so sure. Warriors were appealing because they had already won and they move the ball well. The same is not true (yet) for the LBDA L@kers. I'm guessing touches will be harder to come by--which means stats and personal value may also go down.
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I can’t see the future. I’m not willing to call a roster thin that hasn’t even been constructed yet.

Also — I think a roster with Kawhi, LeBron and AD would be more appealing than any big 3 we have ever seen before.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Livingston was the best backup PG in the nba for YEARS. Speights, Barbosa, and West... oh and David frickin Lee were all huge in their championship runs.
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David Lee had nothing to do with any Warriors championship runs. He only has 1 ring, and he missed 40 games that season. He was a DNP- Coach’s decision in half of the Warriors playoff games that year, and played small minutes in 4 finals games, while not appearing in the other 2.

Moe Speights also had very little to do with these championship “runs”. And by “runs” I mean one, because Mo Speights has one ring. He also played less than 5 min in every finals game that year, with game 5 being the exception. He played 11 min that game because Cleveland blew Golden State out.

Barbosa played one season in Golden State on a vet min and averaged 5 ppg in the finals. He had a total of 2 assists and 10 rebounds in the entire series.

Livingston has never averaged more than 6 points and 3 assists with GS.


Once again, you are remembering these guys being way better than they actually were. You don’t think these guys are guys who teams like Houston LAL or whoever can find in FA?
 
What system are the Lakers gonna run even? Vogel+ineptitude of the Lakers FO... I think everyone is overrating them already.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
What system are the Lakers gonna run even? Vogel+ineptitude of the Lakers FO... I think everyone is overrating them already.
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You don’t even need a system. LeBron/AD or AD/LeBron P&R is literally unguardable.

Especially when they add a 3rd star.

They should be able to find an additional 3&D plus they have Kuz on top of that already.

Kemba/Russell/Kawhi
Vet Min
Kuz
LeBron
AD

That lineup doesn’t need a system
 
A$AP Meyers said:
You don’t even need a system. LeBron/AD or AD/LeBron P&R is literally unguardable.

Especially when they add a 3rd star.

They should be able to find an additional 3&D plus they have Kuz on top of that already.

Kemba/Russell/Kawhi
Vet Min
Kuz
LeBron
AD

That lineup doesn’t need a system
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You always need a system... even the Cavs had a system.
 
JoshuaHall said:
I can’t see the future. I’m not willing to call a roster thin that hasn’t even been constructed yet.

Also — I think a roster with Kawhi, LeBron and AD would be more appealing than any big 3 we have ever seen before.
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I don't see Kawhi going to L@kers, so it's hard for me to bend that far.
 
dviss1 said:
See, now this shit is getting irrational and ridiculous .

Our very own Allen Crabbe waived his trade kicker to go to BKN.

Players waive their trade kickers all the time.
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I wouldn’t, but that’s because I like money and millions of dollars sounds awesome lol
 
GhostOfPGA said:
You always need a system... even the Cavs had a system.
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Yeah, the Kyrie Irving and LeBron take turns isolating system. Sprinkle in an occasional Love or Thompson ball screen and BOOM! ... “system”. Lol
 
Systems in general have kind of gone extinct

The NBA game is so P&R / pick-and-pop driven now.

Offensive strategies have basically just become hunting guys on switches , with some dribble-drive principles.

Several teams still run great early offense, ATOs ,and quick hitters. But as far as within the game offense, it’s pretty much all ballscreens
 
GhostOfPGA said:
I’d say we have a great top 3.

Dame (top 10 player)
CJ (top 5 SG)
Nurkic (arguably top 5 center)

We need to build quality depth around them, which we are doing.
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well, if you're counting Nurkic then you have to count Oladipo since they have about the same timeline for return

so at SG:

Harden
Butler
Oladipo
Middleton
Holiday
Beal
Klay (when he returns)

I'd rate all those above better, and then I'd put CJ in a tier with Devin Booker, Jamal Murray, Donovan Mitchell, Demar Derozan, & Zach Lavine. And I'm probably forgetting somebody. You can argue that CJ is better than this player or that player but the reality is he isn't enough better to make a difference

the issue is that just trying boil it down to SG presents distortion of the reality. When you start tallying up perimeter players, CJ probably doesn't even crack the top-20. And that still leaves players like the Greek, Draymond, Jokic, Embiid, Griffin, Porzingis, Gobert, KAT, and AD

what a team needs is a couple of players in the top-10, or a player in the top-5 and an all-star or two. Portland has one who is probably in the top-10, and then neither Nurkic or CJ would crack the top-30. That's a template with little upside
 
wizenheimer said:
well, if you're counting Nurkic then you have to count Oladipo since they have about the same timeline for return

so at SG:

Harden
Butler
Oladipo
Middleton
Holiday
Beal
Klay (when he returns)

I'd rate all those above better, and then I'd put CJ in a tier with Devin Booker, Jamal Murray, Donovan Mitchell, Demar Derozan, & Zach Lavine. And I'm probably forgetting somebody. You can argue that CJ is better than this player or that player but the reality is he isn't enough better to make a difference

the issue is that just trying boil it down to SG presents distortion of the reality. When you start tallying up perimeter players, CJ probably doesn't even crack the top-20. And that still leaves players like the Greek, Draymond, Jokic, Embiid, Griffin, Porzingis, Gobert, KAT, and AD

what a team needs is a couple of players in the top-10, or a player in the top-5 and an all-star or two. Portland has one who is probably in the top-10, and then neither Nurkic or CJ would crack the top-30. That's a template with little upside
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1. Harden
2. Klay (healthy)
3. Butler
4. Oladipo
5. CJ

6. Beal
7. Middleton

1. Embiid
2. Jokic
3. KAT
4. Gobert
5. Nurkic
 
GhostOfPGA said:
That’s a lot of disrespect for Paxon, Hodges, Armstrong, and Cartwright.
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* Cartwright was 34 and averaged 8 points and 5 rebounds

* Hodges averaged 4 points in less than 10 minutes and in the playoffs, averaged 2.5 points in 8 minutes and had 5 DNP-CD's

* Paxson and Armstrong combined to average 15 points and 5 assists in the playoffs

I wouldn't call these guys scrubs, but they absolutely low-level role players. Jordan was GOAT. Pippen was a top-10 player and a top-5 defender. Grant was named to the all-NBA 2nd team defense 4 times. That's where the championships came from. Chicago could have plugged dozens of different players into the supporting cast and still won championships. They proved that by three-peating twice
 
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