Exclusive The OFFICIAL 2019 NBA Offseason Thread

[hoopsjock]

Very confused by this line of thinking. Were they afraid Diallo and/or Johnson would sign their QO? Absent that, they still would have the same amount of cap space available; all they'd have had to have done was renounce a QO if they signed a FA. I really don't get limiting their options like this.

They must have been worried about them accepting the QO like you mentioned. Since they have cap space they could in theory still re-sign them. It could just be that Griffin is moving on from some of the fringe players from the Demps era.

I haven't checked yet either but with all the players and picks coming in from trades could it be a matter of not wanting to tie up roster spots.

 

[wizenheimer]

I'm going to have to copy and paste this a lot.

Without Layman Total Salary: $128,863,258 (give or take a few $100,000 for Little's actual signing number).

what I haven't seen show up in the salary lists yet ia Nurk's 'likely' bonus of 1.25M. Maybe I've misread the CBA Faq's but I remember reading that when an unlikely bonus is achieved, it switches to likely the next season. Do I have that wrong?

 

[hoopsjock]

what I haven't seen show up in the salary lists yet ia Nurk's 'likely' bonus of 1.25M. Maybe I've misread the CBA Faq's but I remember reading that when an unlikely bonus is achieved, it switches to likely the next season. Do I have that wrong?

You're not wrong, it just depends on how it's actually worded in the contract. I'm not sure how bonuses work with the hard csp and it's difficult to find that info.

It's just a guess but if you are hard capped I'd imagine you have to count all bonuses no matter how unlikely. That would mean we need to clear at least $5 million.

I'm not sure where Quick is getting $2 million from. He's obviously not factoring in the other roster spots that would need to be filled still.

All of this makes me want to just sign the best player we can get to the Tax-MLE and sign more established vets to minimum contracts like Vince Carter and Robin Lopez or whoever. Then we don't have to worry about any hard cap situations for the entire year.

 

[Sarni]

Very confused by this line of thinking. Were they afraid Diallo and/or Johnson would sign their QO? Absent that, they still would have the same amount of cap space available; all they'd have had to have done was renounce a QO if they signed a FA. I really don't get limiting their options like this.

It’s no big loss. Johnson isn’t good.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

It’s no big loss. Johnson isn’t good.

I agree with that one. It's Diallo that really had me puzzled.

 

[BonesJones]

Id dump Moe just to resign Hood. We need Hood back.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Id dump Moe just to resign Hood. We need Hood back.

Not nearly as much with Bazemore

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I'm going to have to copy and paste this a lot.

Without Layman Total Salary: $128,863,258 (give or take a few $100,000 for Little's actual signing number)
Dame
CJ
Baze
Nurk
Harkless
Leonard
Zach
Simons
Trent
Skal
Little

11 players under contract. Full-MLE is expected to be $9,246,000. Tax apron for the hard cap expected to be around $138,000,000.

Salary after signing someone to the MLE: $138,109,258 with only 12 players. We pretty much have to have 15 with Nurk already injured.

Minimum salary for players who have never played a game in the NBA: $897,158.

Sign three of those guys to fill out the roster give us $140,800,732 or over the hard cap by $2,800,732 (subject to a slight variance depending on actual cap numbers). Dumping Skal doesn't quite get us there. Plus for each player you dump you have to add another $897,158.

So if we'd need to at the absolute minimum dump $3,697,890 if we aren't taking a player back. That leaves 4 undrafted rookies that haven't signed with other teams as our 12-15 players on the roster and we'd have 5 rookies including Little. If we had a 10 man rotation that would mean all but one player on the list of current contracts would have to be part of our rotation. That's a bit crazy. That team is a big step down from last year's team and even worse if guys like Simons and Little aren't ready for more action.

They'd have to make a trade like Harkless for Langston Galloway to save $3.8 million but doesn't also take a roster spot away. Even better if we could trade Harkless for two decent players together that add up to around $8 million. Until something like that happens though these are the facts without Layman.

If Layman signs his QO or re-signs for more it makes it even more difficult.

If we make all these type of moves to, where we see right at the hard cap we have no ability to sign a player during the season, or pickup a waived player as we did with Kanter.

My take away from all your good work is its just not worth getting the full MLE.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Id dump Moe just to resign Hood. We need Hood back.

I would too, but to purely dump MO do we have to give up a good pick, and have the other downsides of being hard capped? I wouldn't do all of that for the chance to pay Hood $9 million. He could end up being overpaid at that number in a season or two.

 

[illmatic99]

I like Kemba to Boston.

 

[BonesJones]

I would too, but to purely dump MO do we have to give up a good pick, and have the other downsides of being hard capped? I wouldn't do all of that for the chance to pay Hood $9 million. He could end up being overpaid at that number in a season or two.

I dont think we'd have to give up a 1st though.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I dont think we'd have to give up a 1st though.

Someone in another thread suggested Bjelica--what additional consideration do you think it'd take for Sac to swap him for Moe?

 

[dviss1]

Really curious as to your reasoning on this take.

We need big depth. A guy that plays good defense and can defend a little bit out on the perimeter and inside, and he finishes well around the rim (63% from 2pt last year), can hit from in-between (50% from 10-16ft last year) can knock down FTs (75% last year), can rebound (13rpg per 36 last year), and he's still only 22 years old? That's not intriguing to you?

I'm being obtuse. I only know of him from my video game. LOL.

 

[RR7]

 

[illmatic99]

Russell-Towns is a really nice duo to build from. Too bad they'll have three max dudes preventing them from adding much else. We have to thank our lucky stars we got our franchise center (as Neil called him yesterday) for a measly 12 mil

 

[illmatic99]

Ah for fucks sake.

LA just opened up max space. They have only 3 players left on their roster.

Rich Paul getting his own client to waive the trade kicker is just bogus.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Does that mean the Lakers Roster is literally, AD, Lebron and Kuzma...?

 

[RR7]

Rich Paul getting his own client to waive the trade kicker is just bogus.

Crabbe waived his trade kicker to get sent to Brooklyn. It seems to happen quite often.

 

[illmatic99]

Does that mean the Lakers Roster is literally, AD, Lebron and Kuzma...?

Yes. They will be hit with a minimum roster space charge of like 900k *9 (and paying 5 mil dead salary to Luol Deng).

Horrific roster management, but they're gonna get rewarded yet again.

 

[illmatic99]

 

[Scalma]

Can’t wait until the day Lebrun is out of the fucking league.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

The Lakers are basically gonna go for Kemba, Kyrie, or Butler then fill their roster with vet min contracts? Horrible construction of their team. Also, AD throwing away 4 mil is laughable... what kinda agent advises that?

 

[B-Roy]

Yes. They will be hit with a minimum roster space charge of like 900k *9 (and paying 5 mil dead salary to Luol Deng).

Horrific roster management, but they're gonna get rewarded yet again.

If they spend that 32M on a max free agent we are really going to get an answer to the classic offseason shitpost question:

"What would be the record of a team of 3 all-stars and 12 D-League players?"

 

[RR7]

Crabbe waived his trade kicker to get sent to Brooklyn. It seems to happen quite often.

Kyrie waived his to get to Boston from Cleveland. Marc Gasol waived his to go from memphis to Toronto. It happens. often enough. Maybe more often than teams actually paying out the trade kicker. AD waived it to get to a better situation, he felt, for himself.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If you're Rob Pelinka, do you go for a max guy like Butler or Kyrie or Russell, or do you try to spread the money around to get guys like Beverly, Reddick and Lopez?

 

[A$AP Meyers]

Lakers could possibly have 3 top 5 players. At worst, they probably have 2 top 5 players and a top 20 player.

Houston is on the verge of adding Jimmy Butler (according to media AND vegas odds).

Utah adds Mike Conley. Denver will be better.

In OKC, Russ and PG are both going into next season healthy. Roberson is back healthy.

Neil, it’s your time to shine brotha. You need to make something happen by Sunday. If we run it back, we’re likely a 5 or 6 seed at best and will have definitely missed our championship window. If you can find a way to add a 3rd piece, with Nurk coming back into form, I think we have a starting 5 to compete with anyone in the west.

Find a way.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Another question: If the Lakers are able to sign Kawhi (highly unlikely, IMO), would Lebron/Kawhi/Davis be the greatest big 3 of all time?

 

[GhostOfPGA]

Lakers could possibly have 3 top 5 players. At worst, they probably have 2 top 5 players and a top 20 player.

Houston is on the verge of adding Jimmy Butler (according to media AND vegas odds).

Utah adds Mike Conley. Denver will be better.

In OKC, Russ and PG are both going into next season healthy. Roberson is back healthy.

Neil, it’s your time to shine brotha. You need to make something happen by Sunday. If we run it back, we’re likely a 5 or 6 seed at best and will have definitely missed our championship window. If you can find a way to add a 3rd piece, with Nurk coming back into form I think we have a starting 5 to compete with anyone in the west.

Find a way

We just need to continue to improve the roster smartly, what LA and Houston are doing is basically praying 3 stars can take g-leaguers+Guys over 35 to the finals.

 

[Scalma]

If you're Rob Pelinka, do you go for a max guy like Butler or Kyrie or Russell, or do you try to spread the money around to get guys like Beverly, Reddick and Lopez?

If I’m rob pelinka I’m probably asking you if you like Phil Collins.