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B-Roy said:
Well history tells us that the top-heavy teams usually win regardless. Their biggest competition is injuries...
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Teams with good roster construction+talent win championships. Not teams with 3 dudes and a bunch of scrubs.
 
hoopsjock said:
You're not wrong, it just depends on how it's actually worded in the contract. I'm not sure how bonuses work with the hard csp and it's difficult to find that info.

It's just a guess but if you are hard capped I'd imagine you have to count all bonuses no matter how unlikely. That would mean we need to clear at least $5 million.
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clearly, "likely" bonuses count against the cap and tax; they also count for determining when a team hits the apron

and for setting a team's Apron, it sure looks like all bonuses count, likely and unlikely:

"They use a slightly different calculation for determining the team salary in relation to the Apron (see question number 20). This applies to the Bi-Annual, Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level, and Taxpayer Mid-Level exceptions (see question number 25), and for Sign-and-Trade transactions (see question number 92). For these purposes they use the team salary as defined above, with the following modifications:
  • All unlikely bonuses are included for contracts and extensions signed under the current CBA."

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q13

so then, it sure looks like Nurk's 1.25M bonus would count against the apron

as far as whether his bonus counts against the cap and tax line this coming season:

"Performance incentives are classified as either "likely to be achieved" or "not likely to be achieved," with only the likely incentives included in the player's salary and team salary amounts. The determination of whether an incentive is likely or not likely is based on whether the criterion was achieved in the previous season. For example, if a player had seven assists per game the previous season, then an incentive based on seven assists per game would be classified as likely to be achieved, but one based on eight assists per game would be classified as not likely.All performance incentives are re-evaluated at the start of each season to determine whether they should be classified as likely or not likely to be achieved"

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q74

so then, it would seem the only question is if Nurkic had the same incentives attached to every year of his contract or just the 1st season. That I don't know
 
LeBron giving AD #23, looks like he is going back to #6.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Teams with good roster construction+talent win championships. Not teams with 3 dudes and a bunch of scrubs.
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The teams with the best talent up top win (or make the finals, at least), historically. Warriors, Heat, Spurs, Lakers, Big 3 Celtics, etc.

Yes, there are exceptions, but if you look back in history you'll find overwhelming evidence that it's usually the top heavy teams battling it out in the finals...
 
GhostOfPGA said:
We just need to continue to improve the roster smartly, what LA and Houston are doing is basically praying 3 stars can take g-leaguers+Guys over 35 to the finals.
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Depth is overrated.

Toronto played 7 guys. Sometimes 8 when they’d get Norm Powell in.

GSW have never had a bench. It’s always been a bunch of guys on vet min and guys on rookie contracts.

The Bucks second unit was as good as a lot of teams starting 5s. They were one of the deepest teams I’ve ever seen. They lost 4 in a row to Toronto.

The only team who gave Toronto a run for their money was a team who sold the farm to get stars in their lineup. Philly had no bench and took Toronto to the last shot of game 7 by going after Jimmy and Tobias
 
A$AP Meyers said:
Depth is overrated.

Toronto played 7 guys. Sometimes 8 when they’d get Norm Powell in.

GSW have never had a bench. It’s always been a bunch of guys on vet min and guys on rookie contracts.

The Bucks second unit was as good as a lot of teams starting 5s. They were one of the deepest teams I’ve ever seen. They lost 4 in a row to Toronto.

The only team who gave Toronto a run for their money was a team who sold the farm to get stars in their lineup. Philly had no bench and took Toronto to the last shot of game 7 by going after Jimmy and Tobias
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You're making your point wrong. Toronto won because they didn't just have three guys who could play. If one of the Laker three gets hurt, they might not even win a series in the playoffs.
 
If the Lakers sign someone like Kyrie, Kemba, Kawhi, etc, my guess is they will have a number of veterans willing to come play for the minimum and it won't be a bunch of back end scrubs.
 
A$AP Meyers said:
Lakers could possibly have 3 top 5 players. At worst, they probably have 2 top 5 players and a top 20 player.

Houston is on the verge of adding Jimmy Butler (according to media AND vegas odds).

Utah adds Mike Conley. Denver will be better.

In OKC, Russ and PG are both going into next season healthy. Roberson is back healthy.

Neil, it’s your time to shine brotha. You need to make something happen by Sunday. If we run it back, we’re likely a 5 or 6 seed at best and will have definitely missed our championship window. If you can find a way to add a 3rd piece, with Nurk coming back into form, I think we have a starting 5 to compete with anyone in the west.

Find a way.
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Same things that have been said the last couple summers.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Teams with good roster construction+talent win championships. Not teams with 3 dudes and a bunch of scrubs.
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This is literally false. Almost every champion in the past decade has been a team loaded with stars playing with scrubs, vet min guys, or one trick ponies. I would say the only team who didn’t were the Mavs and quite honestly that was simply one of the greatest finals performances of my lifetime by Dirk. The Spurs are also an exception, and by exception I mean no one will ever be able to replicate what they built as far as depth and culture , especially in this era.

First Heat Big 3 team started Mario Chalmers and Shane Battier. Had Norris Cole and Udonis Haslem as their 6th and 7th guys.

When they won in 2013 they were starting Mike Miller, who literally could barely run. It was Ray Allen, and an even older Shane Battier off the bench.

Cavs won a game 7 on Oracle with Tristan Thompson and JR Smith playing 40 minutes. Their two guys off the bench were Shumpert and a 100 year old Richard Jefferson.

Warriors bench has been AWFUL during literally their entire run.


illmatic99 said:
You're making your point wrong. Toronto won because they didn't just have three guys who could play. If one of the Laker three gets hurt, they might not even win a series in the playoffs.
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No, I’m not making my point wrong. My initial post challenged Neil to “go for it” and make it happen. Toronto’s front office literally did that. They traded the face of their franchise and a coveted 1st rounder to secure Leonard. They also made it happen at the deadline by going and getting Marc Gasol.
 
B-Roy said:
The teams with the best talent up top win (or make the finals, at least), historically. Warriors, Heat, Spurs, Lakers, Big 3 Celtics, etc.

Yes, there are exceptions, but if you look back in history you'll find overwhelming evidence that it's usually the top heavy teams battling it out in the finals...
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LOL what??

Warriors have/had Iggy, Livingston, Speights, Barbosa, West, Young, Casspi, and others come off their bench.

Heat had Battier, Allen, Miller, Haslem, and Lewis.

Spurs?? Their whole concept was team. Duncan, Parker, Manu, Kawhi, Green, Diaw, Mills, Joseph, and that was just their 2013-14 run...

Boston and LA were LOADED too.
 
RR7 said:
Kyrie waived his to get to Boston from Cleveland. Marc Gasol waived his to go from memphis to Toronto. It happens. often enough. Maybe more often than teams actually paying out the trade kicker. AD waived it to get to a better situation, he felt, for himself.
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Good luck, no one wants to hear it.

Dviss and I posted about this in reaction to some posters treating Rich Paul much differently than... other... agents who do the same type of thing.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
LOL what??

Warriors have/had Iggy, Livingston, Speights, Barbosa, West, Young, Casspi, and others come off their bench.

Heat had Battier, Allen, Miller, Haslem, and Lewis.

Spurs?? Their whole concept was team. Duncan, Parker, Manu, Kawhi, Green, Diaw, Mills, Joseph, and that was just their 2013-14 run...

Boston and LA were LOADED too.
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Check the top 3 players for each team in the finals for the last few decades.

Now compare that to the top 3 players for each other team in the conference during that year.

How often is it that the teams in the finals have the best top 3 in their conference?
 
GhostOfPGA said:
LOL what??

Warriors have/had Iggy, Livingston, Speights, Barbosa, West, Young, Casspi, and others come off their bench.

Heat had Battier, Allen, Miller, Haslem, and Lewis.

Spurs?? Their whole concept was team. Duncan, Parker, Manu, Kawhi, Green, Diaw, Mills, Joseph, and that was just their 2013-14 run...

Boston and LA were LOADED too.
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Some of those guys signed for cheap because of their top heavy talent.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
LOL what??

Warriors have/had Iggy, Livingston, Speights, Barbosa, West, Young, Casspi, and others come off their bench.

Heat had Battier, Allen, Miller, Haslem, and Lewis.

Spurs?? Their whole concept was team. Duncan, Parker, Manu, Kawhi, Green, Diaw, Mills, Joseph, and that was just their 2013-14 run...

Boston and LA were LOADED too.
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They were loaded, but the top of those rosters were amazing.

Curry, Thompson, Green, Durant

Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Leonard

James, Wade, Bosh

Each of those teams had the best or top 3 player on their roster
 
B-Roy said:
Check the top 3 players for each team in the finals for the last few decades.

Now compare that to the top 3 players for each other team in the conference during that year.

How often is it that the teams in the finals have the best top 3 in their conference?
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Very often but normally those teams don’t stretch their roster THIS thin.
 
Mediocre Man said:
They were loaded, but the top of those rosters were amazing.

Curry, Thompson, Green, Durant

Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Leonard

James, Wade, Bosh

Each of those teams had the best or top 3 player on their roster
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I’d say we have a great top 3.

Dame (top 10 player)
CJ (top 5 SG)
Nurkic (arguably top 5 center)

We need to build quality depth around them, which we are doing.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
LOL what??

Warriors have/had Iggy, Livingston, Speights, Barbosa, West, Young, Casspi, and others come off their bench.

Heat had Battier, Allen, Miller, Haslem, and Lewis.
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I think you are remembering a lot of these guys being way better than they actually were at this point in their careers.

Iggy is about the only guy out of all of these guys who was still on an incline at the time

And the Lakers will be able to sign players just like this , by the way
 
I hope L@kers go for Kyrie, but they should get Beverly and BroLo.
 
A$AP Meyers said:
I think you are remembering a lot of these guys being way better than they actually were at this point in their careers.

Iggy is about the only guy out of all of these guys who was still on an incline at the time
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Livingston was the best backup PG in the nba for YEARS. Speights, Barbosa, and West... oh and David frickin Lee were all huge in their championship runs.
 
illmatic99 said:
You're making your point wrong. Toronto won because they didn't just have three guys who could play. If one of the Laker three gets hurt, they might not even win a series in the playoffs.
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And if Kawhi, Lowry or Siakam get hurt... the Raptors probably struggle as well?

And if KD never gets hurt or Klay...

Guess who the champ is?

The team
With no bench
 
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