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Yeah he probably won't be in the league long.

What I'm trying to say about Calipari is that it can't be easy getting all those guys, with their gigantic egos, to play at least somewhat as a team. Throwing top recruits out on a basketball court together doesn't just magically work, there's a good deal of coaching involved.
 
Paul George is a certified playa. Averaging 20/10 in January. I want him.

He'll be the next player in the league that emerges as a star.
 
What I'm trying to say about Calipari is that it can't be easy getting all those guys, with their gigantic egos, to play at least somewhat as a team. Throwing top recruits out on a basketball court together doesn't just magically work, there's a good deal of coaching involved.

I think the point that's being missed is Callipari is a brilliant salesman in terms of recruiting, and it only makes sense that that same skill carries over to being able to sell the guys on cohesive team play being the best avenue to their NBA goals. Watching the style of play of Callipari teams in recent years, I feel like coaching is a very small part of the equation. They overwhelm you with size and athleticism, not a precision offense. But he gets them to buy in as well as any coach in the country.
 
Paul George is a certified playa. Averaging 20/10 in January. I want him.

He'll be the next player in the league that emerges as a star.

Reminds me of Andre Iguadola. Would be a nice second or third piece on a championship contender. His PER isn't franchise-player level at all.
 
Did I mention he's averaging 2.8 stls in January? Averaging 20/10 with almost 3stls. Crazy numbers. Only 22.

I want. I want. I want.

Crazy athleticism for his size and length, and tops it off with a great smoothness and fluidity to his game.

He will emerge as a star in a couple years.
 
Better shooter worse defender probably on par athleticly.

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Pretty much every player is a "worse" defender than Iguodala
 
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Did I mention he's averaging 2.8 stls in January? Averaging 20/10 with almost 3stls. Crazy numbers. Only 22.

I want. I want. I want.

Crazy athleticism for his size and length, and tops it off with a great smoothness and fluidity to his game.

He will emerge as a star in a couple years.

He's a nice player. Don't get me wrong. I'm just not sure he'll be worth what his future contract is going to be, because if Indy doesn't pay him, somebody else will.

I'd rather have Batum at his contract with Lillard and LMA than George on a max, which may happen.
 
Reminds me of Andre Iguadola. Would be a nice second or third piece on a championship contender. His PER isn't franchise-player level at all.

I have always been a fan of Iguadola. I think we have a player like him already in Batum. Batum has less strength and post moves, but shoots and defends better IMO.
 
He's a nice player. Don't get me wrong. I'm just not sure he'll be worth what his future contract is going to be, because if Indy doesn't pay him, somebody else will.

I'd rather have Batum at his contract with Lillard and LMA than George on a max, which may happen.

You gotta pay to keep elite talent.
 
You gotta pay to keep elite talent.

Hes not an elite talent. If they think they're helping themselves by keeping Hibbert and Paul George on max contracts (or anywhere close to that) then they're fucking delusional.
 
Hes not an elite talent. If they think they're helping themselves by keeping Hibbert and Paul George on max contracts (or anywhere close to that) then they're fucking delusional.

He's getting there with the way he's progressing. Only 22.

Agree with the Hibbert thing. I said he was overpaid from day 1.
 
Michigan State, Pittsburgh and Gonzaga are some random choices. Kentucky isn't a "good basketball school"?

They're not random at all. I was thinking of coaches who don't get the big time recruits yet continue to mold average recruits into great college basketball players, and Izzo, Dixon, and Few are prime examples. They all have certain coaching styles that are conducive to developing a certain toughness and basketball IQ in their players. I also thought of Bo Ryan, who is an amazing coach, but I've always seen him as more of a system coach. He recruits under-the-radar players that can excel with the swing offense, so while I'd consider him a great coach, I left him out because he's still a system coach in a lot of ways.

Coach Calipari, on the other hand, runs a pro-style offense that's all about spreading the floor, emphasizes the transition game, lets players have a lot of individual freedom, and doesn't place an emphasis on the fundamentals. He's basically created a glorified prep school for draft prospects.

It's easy to win when you have players like Derrick Rose, Tyreke Evans, John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Anthony Davis, Alex Poythress, Nerlens Noel, and Archie Goodwin flowing through your program. Given the caliber of players that he's had, if he were a better coach, he'd have a better track record. Now that he's won a title, he's somehow validated as a coach, when in reality, he's just a great salesman that knows a little bit about basketball.

Trust me, I have hundreds of damning things against Calipari's coaching ability and recruiting tactics. I was close to the University of Memphis program all throughout high school, and I know what's going on with John Calipari better than most. If you want to keep getting into it, I'm okay with that, but I don't want to start typing that rant on Cal right now, because I have so much say on the subject that it'd honestly be time consuming to even scrape the surface.
 
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Calipari's the biggest snake oil salesman in college ball. His coaching brethren all can't stand him. There's been so many times where he's stole recruits that were pretty much signed and sealed to other schools.
 
Great game in Denver tonight! OKC stormed back, but lost in OT!

ESPN

OKC trailed by 11 with <3 min left in 4th Q but would lose in OT. Teams are now 6121-2 in last 10 seasons when leading by 11+ with <3 to go
 
Did I mention he's averaging 2.8 stls in January? Averaging 20/10 with almost 3stls. Crazy numbers. Only 22.

I want. I want. I want.

Crazy athleticism for his size and length, and tops it off with a great smoothness and fluidity to his game.

He will emerge as a star in a couple years.

It's hilarious to see you slobber over George but hate on Nic at every possible opportunity. They're like the same player, with George being the better rebounder, and Nic the better playmaker.
 
It's hilarious to see you slobber over George but hate on Nic at every possible opportunity. They're like the same player, with George being the better rebounder, and Nic the better playmaker.

But Nic is 24!

Interesting notes re: the two players

George has shot 605 FG's, and 224 of them were 3's.

Batum has shot 507 FG's and 274 of them were 3's.

So I guess RoyToy's complaint that Nic shoots a ton of 3's is somewhat valid (by comparison to Paul).

Although I think that's a fairly weak argument to make, but in that regard the two aren't similar. It's interesting to think that George has shot more over 100 more FG's in 1 more game (and fewer minutes).

take away 3 pointers, and Nic shoots almost 51% from 2's.

take away 3 pointers, and George shoots 43%

which somewhat suggests that Nic should shoot more 2 point FG's (kind of going in favor of "he shoots too many 3's" thinking).

Both shoot a lot of 3's, but George shoots more, and misses more, 2 pointers than Nic does.
 
But Nic is 24!

Interesting notes re: the two players

George has shot 605 FG's, and 224 of them were 3's.

Batum has shot 507 FG's and 274 of them were 3's.

So I guess RoyToy's complaint that Nic shoots a ton of 3's is somewhat valid (by comparison to Paul).

Although I think that's a fairly weak argument to make, but in that regard the two aren't similar. It's interesting to think that George has shot more over 100 more FG's in 1 more game (and fewer minutes).

take away 3 pointers, and Nic shoots almost 51% from 2's.

take away 3 pointers, and George shoots 43%

which somewhat suggests that Nic should shoot more 2 point FG's (kind of going in favor of "he shoots too many 3's" thinking).

Both shoot a lot of 3's, but George shoots more, and misses more, 2 pointers than Nic does.
I hadn't really looked at the stats, just going based on what I see when they play. Both are young, and have been begged by their fans to play more consistently. Both are decent shooters, George is a better slasher and has a slightly better handle, but Nic does more with his dribble when he drives (as in actually pass to teammates and create for others). Both are long and lanky, and can guard 3-4 positions fairly effectively (Nic, moreso). But it's interesting to see them both breakout this year after getting hype about their potential breakouts over the past few years.
 
Jan stats:

Nic: 18.7pts, 6.5rebs, 4.5asts, 3.1tos, 44.9%fg, 38.3% 3pt, 1.2stl, 0.6blk in 41mpg
George: 20.1pts, 10rebs, 3.4asts, 2.8tos, 41.6%fg, 37.3% 3pt, 2.8stls, 0.3blk in 38mpg

Very comparable.
 
I hadn't really looked at the stats, just going based on what I see when they play. Both are young, and have been begged by their fans to play more consistently. Both are decent shooters, George is a better slasher and has a slightly better handle, but Nic does more with his dribble when he drives (as in actually pass to teammates and create for others). Both are long and lanky, and can guard 3-4 positions fairly effectively (Nic, moreso). But it's interesting to see them both breakout this year after getting hype about their potential breakouts over the past few years.

Grass is greener mentality, imho.
While Portland, just like EVERY FAN BASE IN ALL OF SPORTS, seems to over sell how good their players are, they also undersell how good they are.
 
TBH, I think the only thing George has going for him over Nic is his age. But the 1.5yrs difference doesn't necessarily scream more room for improvement. You put Nic on a team with George/West/Hibbert and his defensive numbers will be at elite status.
 
Grass is greener mentality, imho.
While Portland, just like EVERY FAN BASE IN ALL OF SPORTS, seems to over sell how good their players are, they also undersell how good they are.

I think just one poster in particular.
 
I wanted George on draft day. He was called the "biggest sleeper" in the entire draft at the time. Did KP take full credit for this? I bet he did.
 
Anderson Varejao recently developed a blood clot (small right lower lung pulmonary embolism) and was admitted to the Cleveland Clinic last Thursday (January 17th). He is being treated with blood thinners (anticoagulants) and is expected to stay at the Clinic for several days, while undergoing treatment and observation.

He will need to remain on blood thinning medication for approximately three months.

While Varejao is expected to fully recover, he will miss the remainder of the current Cavaliers season.

"Clearly our players' health is our top concern and we are disappointed for Anderson, and his family," said general manager Chris Grant. "We know what a competitor he is and how much he wants to be on the court helping his teammates. In the meantime, he has our full support and we look forward to welcoming him back as he recovers."

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