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Run BJM said:
Also after Bogut plays his first back to back games of the season, he misses SA game with back spasms. MRI forthcoming, listed as out "indefinitely".

Looking more and more like the he'll-never-quite-be-the-same crowd may be correct. As a GS fan, its getting to the point where I'm starting to not consider him in our long term plans. He, Biedrins, and Jefferson are all expiring after next season. Instead of continuing to build with him, I think they'll use those expirings to add another big piece.
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Big guys are so fragile. Makes you wonder if the league will start to phase them out entirely.
 
crowTrobot said:
you mean like they do in the all-star game offense?
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I mean entirely.... it wouldn't surprise me if we saw more guys like Hickson manning the five. It's like the current rigors of the NBA is too hard on a big man. Guys like Yao Ming, Greg Oden, and Bogut. Andrew Bynum.
 
Run BJM said:
Also after Bogut plays his first back to back games of the season, he misses SA game with back spasms. MRI forthcoming, listed as out "indefinitely".

Looking more and more like the he'll-never-quite-be-the-same crowd may be correct. As a GS fan, its getting to the point where I'm starting to not consider him in our long term plans. He, Biedrins, and Jefferson are all expiring after next season. Instead of continuing to build with him, I think they'll use those expirings to add another big piece.
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Well, the biggest part of the deal was not having to worry about Monta anymore. In that sense, the Warriors did just fine.
 
Natebishop3 said:
You have to wonder if they could have done better though.
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I thought GS nailed it when they dealt him. Unfourantly that was before the full story of Boguts injury came out. From an outside perspective i like watching the warriors more without Ellis there, they seem to like to pass more now.
 
B-Roy said:
Well, the biggest part of the deal was not having to worry about Monta anymore. In that sense, the Warriors did just fine.
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It was still a great deal. The way I look at it is, Bogut- if healthy- was far and away the best player you could ask for in exchange for Monta. Of course, you know one of the reasons hes even available for Monta is because hes been injury prone lately. So far hes been a bust on that front. The broken ankle needed microfracture, he tried playing at the beginning of the season, the ankle didn't respond well, and he was out for a few months. Then he comes back again and now has a bulging disc in his back.

That said, the Warriors are still significantly better off from that trade. Moving Monta improved the offense and the defense significantly. Klay got extended burn down the stretch last season while the team successfully tanked their way to a Harrison Barnes draft pick. They also swapped Stephen Jackson for Richard Jefferson and a first round pick that would become Festus Ezeli- who made GS fans forget about Udoh (also traded in the Monta deal) and has been the starting C on a W's team that was 12 games over .500 when Bogut returned.

That trade really kickstarted the success of the team in a lot of ways, even with Bogut giving us very little. Monta probably would have kept up his production as a Warrior and walked after this season if we kept him. Steph Curry and Mark Jackson deferred to him. Handing the reigns to Steph and assembling a team full of intelligent, unselfish players who can run the offense and defensive schemes of the coaching staff has really been crucial for us.

We've got another season after this one to see how this core does. But after next season Bogut, Biedrins, Jefferson, and Rush come off the books. Once we pay Utah the 1st round pick we've owed them for years we can trade first rounders, not to mention Klay and Barnes as great sweetners in a potential deal. We'll have some options to get to the next level. I like the direction this team is headed in, Monta had us stuck in a rut.
 
Most of the analysts considered the Rudy Gay trade a death sentence for the Grizz, but after winning at Brooklyn tonight, they're on a seven game win streak (2nd only to Miami), and they're 8-2 in their last 10. I think we've got just as good of a chance to come out of the West as San Antonio or OKC. This team runs a hell of a lot smoother without Gay in the equation.
 
NOVoodoo said:
Most of the analysts considered the Rudy Gay trade a death sentence for the Grizz, but after winning at Brooklyn tonight, they're on a seven game win streak (2nd only to Miami), and they're 8-2 in their last 10.
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Beating bad teams mostly
 
RoyToy said:
Beating bad teams mostly
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True, it's a soft spot on the schedule, but at the end of the day, the team's still winning. It's hard to win seven straight in the NBA, regardless of who you've got on the schedule, and they're looking better than they did with Gay while doing it.
 
NOVoodoo said:
True, it's a soft spot on the schedule, but at the end of the day, the team's still winning. It's hard to win seven straight in the NBA, regardless of who you've got on the schedule, and they're looking better than they did with Gay while doing it.
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Isn't toronto on a 5 game win streek as well? When was the last time two teams that made a trade did so well after getting their acquired pieces?
 
Rhal said:
Isn't toronto on a 5 game win streek as well? When was the last time two teams that made a trade did so well after getting their acquired pieces?
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Well, they're 6-1. The only loss came a few days ago to none other than the Grizzlies.

Gay's been shooting very poorly, but I guess having him out there must open up possibilities for guys like DeRozan.

On the Grizzlies end, our offense has a lot more ball movement. Tayshaun is the perfect addition to the team in the sense that he can make shots if he needs to, but he's not going to halt the offense for the sake of his own ego. There have been a lot of great plays Tayshaun has made recently where I'll just look to my friends I'm watching the game with, and we'll all be agreeing, "if that were Rudy, he would have hacked that up instead of making the extra pass," etc.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I mean entirely.... it wouldn't surprise me if we saw more guys like Hickson manning the five. It's like the current rigors of the NBA is too hard on a big man. Guys like Yao Ming, Greg Oden, and Bogut. Andrew Bynum.
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You act like 7 footers have never thrived in this league. I remember the 90s, when you had Ewing, Olajuwon, Robinson, Shaq, and Mutombo dominating at the 5. Not to mention Smits, Duckworth, and Sabonis! The NBA wasn't too hard on them.
 
And remember- Oden fell apart before he even played a single game. It wasn't the rigors of playing in the MBA that did him in.
 
NOVoodoo said:
Most of the analysts considered the Rudy Gay trade a death sentence for the Grizz, but after winning at Brooklyn tonight, they're on a seven game win streak (2nd only to Miami), and they're 8-2 in their last 10. I think we've got just as good of a chance to come out of the West as San Antonio or OKC. This team runs a hell of a lot smoother without Gay in the equation.
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Trading gay was the best thing your team did. Gay is fake gold. Fools gold, whatever. Adding prince was a perfect compliment for your team. He is the glue guy that will keep things real and is a seasoned playoff performer.

I am calling Memphis to be the sleeper team nobody expects to come out in the west. They just need to face okc in the wcf and you got a real shot.
 
Minnesota is 20-33, officially out of reach of the 50-win season all the rubes were crowing about in October.
 
Washington has been playing great basketball. They'd be a playoff team if Wall was healthy all year.
 
As someone who had to suffer through 6.5 yrs of Rudy Gay, I'd like to point out, he went 1-11 tonight with 5 turnovers.

It's the same thing as when he was with the Grizz... the media will report when he hits the game winner (despite shooting 4-21), or they'll report when he has a big 30+ game... and that makes a lot of people think he's better than he is. So I feel the need to report the games that they don't talk about, like when he goes 1-11 with 5 turnovers like he did tonight.

Have fun with Gay, T-Dot...
 
NOVoodoo said:
As someone who had to suffer through 6.5 yrs of Rudy Gay, I'd like to point out, he went 1-11 tonight with 5 turnovers.

It's the same thing as when he was with the Grizz... the media will report when he hits the game winner (despite shooting 4-21), or they'll report when he has a big 30+ game... and that makes a lot of people think he's better than he is. So I feel the need to report the games that they don't talk about, like when he goes 1-11 with 5 turnovers like he did tonight.

Have fun with Gay, T-Dot...
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Sounds just like Batum, except Batum never shoots a game-winner.
 
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