THE "OFFICIAL" February 21, 2013 Trade Deadline Thread...

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KeepOnRollin said:
Doubt they could get Howard (even though he grew up in ATL) but if they did then the Hawks could play their players in their true NBA position. Smith should be at SF, Horford should be at PF and then they would have Howard at Center.
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That was a trade I saw the other day. Makes a lot of sense for both LAL and ATL

Howard for Smoove and Korver
 
I think Dwight is between Brooklyn and LA at this point. I'm fairly sure he is wishing he didn't pull the crap he pulled in Orlando now. I think it's safe to say he would like to be in Brooklyn with Deron at this point.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
He is on record as NJ and DAL being his other options (unless he stays with LAL). So ATL makes more sense then DAL.
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Not when you look at talent though. Let's assume they keep Smith, I think that's a really horrible frontcourt with Howard, Smith, and Horford. They are all too similar. They would have to move Horford, and then who else do they have on that team? Supposedly they're determined to move Smith, so it would be Horford and Howard and not much else. I don't think he'd want that, to start over on a rebuilding team. Dallas makes more sense because they would still have Dirk, and I'm assuming they'd re-sign Mayo.
 
OregonHuskerMan said:
I think Dwight is between Brooklyn and LA at this point. I'm fairly sure he is wishing he didn't pull the crap he pulled in Orlando now. I think it's safe to say he would like to be in Brooklyn with Deron at this point.
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Brooklyn can not afford him in the off season, so if he goes there, it will need to be now.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Not when you look at talent though. Let's assume they keep Smith, I think that's a really horrible frontcourt with Howard, Smith, and Horford. They are all too similar. They would have to move Horford, and then who else do they have on that team? Supposedly they're determined to move Smith, so it would be Horford and Howard and not much else. I don't think he'd want that, to start over on a rebuilding team. Dallas makes more sense because they would still have Dirk, and I'm assuming they'd re-sign Mayo.
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Dirk is a shadow of his former self. They have nothing (star-wise) behind Dirk. Don't assume Mayo comes back (especially if they did get Howard) as he has priced himself out of their plans with his play this year.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Dirk is a shadow of his former self. They have nothing (star-wise) behind Dirk. Don't assume Mayo comes back (especially if they did get Howard) as he has priced himself out of their plans with his play this year.
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Dirk is a shadow of himself, no doubt, but he has enough to be a second fiddle to Howard.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Unless LAL would agree to sign and trade in the off-season (but they wouldn't likely accommodate Howard like that).
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They would have no choice. If they let Howard just walk, they are still way over cap and could only offer MLE and vet mins to replace him.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Dirk is a shadow of himself, no doubt, but he has enough to be a second fiddle to Howard.
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MIA is tough but overall the West is still harder to get to the Conference finals. ATL would be there possibly each year in the East and you can't say the same about DAL in the West.
 
magnifier661 said:
They would have no choice. If they let Howard just walk, they are still way over cap and could only offer MLE and vet mins to replace him.
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That is true but Howard also would get much less (if a team even had cap space) taking another team's MAX vs the Lakers. Lakers could give him super-max. So most likely they call his bluff (as only ATL, among his teams on his list, has cap space) and say you have to sign here.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Dirk is a shadow of his former self. They have nothing (star-wise) behind Dirk. Don't assume Mayo comes back (especially if they did get Howard) as he has priced himself out of their plans with his play this year.
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Darren Collison, Mayo, Marion or VC (think one of them will be dumped if they did actually do this), Dirk, Howard looks better than Teague, Korver/Morrow, Smith, Horford, Howard. Talk about lack of spacing..Josh Smith is one of the worst fits possible on that roster.
 
This is all assuming that Howard will regain his form. Right now he looks like a shadow of himself. Back injuries are horribly unpredictable.
 
I just don't see DAL making the conference finals even with Howard. ATL could (they probably would lose to MIA so it is moral victory but they would get further then DAL).
 
KeepOnRollin said:
That is true but Howard also would get much less (if a team even had cap space) taking another team's MAX vs the Lakers. Lakers could give him super-max. So most likely they call his bluff (as only ATL, among his teams on his list, has cap space) and say you have to sign here.
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I think it was proven just after the lockout that the players still hold the power. And why would the Lakers want a player who would rather not be there? I doubt they want to go through a Orlando saga. "Trade request" on the horizon if he stays...
 
Trade Hickson to Washington for Jordan Crawford and Martell Webster. We could retain Webster and still have less cap hold than the 7 million for Hickson. Have around 10 mil to offer a free agent or use a couple players to lopside a deal for Gortat during draft day. Then July 1st, we offer Jack, Billups or Harris 6 million, then resign Webster for 5-6 million and be in good shape!

New starting line-up:

Lillard, Matthews, Batum, Aldridge and Gortat

Key Back-ups:
Jack (or Billups, Harris), Leonard, J. Crawford, and Webster
 
magnifier661 said:
Trade Hickson to Washington for Jordan Crawford and Martell Webster. We could retain Webster and still have less cap hold than the 7 million for Hickson. Have around 10 mil to offer a free agent or use a couple players to lopside a deal for Gortat during draft day. Then July 1st, we offer Jack, Billups or Harris 6 million, then resign Webster for 5-6 million and be in good shape!

New starting line-up:

Lillard, Matthews, Batum, Aldridge and Gortat

Key Back-ups:
Jack (or Billups, Harris), Leonard, J. Crawford, and Webster
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I like Hickson and yet I would do this deal. You HAVE to have two nice big men in Free Agency if you go this route though. (I think the Gortat on the block chatter is just that)
 
KeepOnRollin said:
I just don't see DAL making the conference finals even with Howard. ATL could (they probably would lose to MIA so it is moral victory but they would get further then DAL).
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The Pacers would wax them.

The Heat.

The Bulls.

The Knicks would run circles around them.

The 76ers with a healthy Bynum would make it interesting.

The offensive flow of that team would be miserable... Josh Smith doesn't exactly spread the floor with his sub 30% outside shooting, or his piss poor FT shooting in crunch time. He'd like to drive and create which wouldn't work too well with Howard and Horford both trying to operate in the paint while Josh Smith is trying to slash in there as well. There was a reason Mike Woodson told J Smith to not settle for outside shots all the time and the entire Hawks arena was booing him when he did...
 
Still curious about Portland playing with the offer for Bynum. It's a huge risk, but if that kid was healthy, we would be in a perfect position to contend. Still I have big big doubts this kid will ever be healthy.
 
OregonHuskerMan said:
The Pacers would wax them.

The Heat.

The Bulls.

The Knicks would run circles around them.

The 76ers with a healthy Bynum would make it interesting.

The offensive flow of that team would be miserable... Josh Smith doesn't exactly spread the floor with his sub 30% outside shooting, or his piss poor FT shooting in crunch time. He'd like to drive and create which wouldn't work too well with Howard and Horford both trying to operate in the paint while Josh Smith is trying to slash in there as well. There was a reason Mike Woodson told J Smith to not settle for outside shots all the time and the entire Hawks arena was booing him when he did...
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We will agree to disagree on this. It isn't so much that ATL is great just that they would be better than DAL. Probably doesn't matter anyways. Howard will most likely be in LA or Brooklyn.
 
If Hickson gives up his full Bird rights be agreeing to be dealt to another team, his new team can still re-sign under a non-Bird exception, which would allow his new team to exceed the cap to re-sign him to 120 percent of his previous contract (for Hickson, that would be $4.8 million next season), with annual raises of 4.5 percent, up to four years.
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Is that true?

He also messed up on the cap room. Portland will have close to 15-16 million
 
Mediocre Man said:
Is that true?

He also messed up on the cap room. Portland will have close to 15-16 million
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I don't think that is true regarding Hickson but you would think they know more than I.

And the reason the cap room discrepancy is I believe they can't make assumptions on who we are going to bring back and who not plus they don't want to make assumptions that the cap will go up. Olshey always says 12.5-13.5 when asked.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
I don't think that is true regarding Hickson but you would think they know more than I.

And the reason the cap room discrepancy is I believe they can't make assumptions on who we are going to bring back and who not plus they don't want to make assumptions that the cap will go up. Olshey always says 12.5-13.5 when asked.
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it's because he can only go by what is. It's estimated that the new cap will be 60 million, but it's 57 million now. Basically it's right with this exception right?
 
Assuming everyone agrees to a trade and agrees to sign as a FA, which team is better long term?

Lillard
Matthews
Batum
Aldridge
Jefferson or Pekovic
No real upgradesin depth

Lillard
Matthews
Batum
Milsap
B Lopez
Also have additional money for a player like Evans

Lillard
Evans
Batum
Aldridge
Kaman
added a bit more depth with medial players
 
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