THE "OFFICIAL" February 21, 2013 Trade Deadline Thread...

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At this point, I think I would go after Jefferson. He JUST turned 28, so he's still relatively young, he's a stat monster and maybe we could sign him and someone like Redick to come in here. I think Jefferson and Aldridge could play together.

If we could bring in guys without giving anything up, that's what we should be doing. Jefferson and Redick would give this team some more veteran experience and maybe we could get a couple other guys for the bench. With Lillard, Redick, and Batum spreading the floor, I think Aldridge and Jefferson could tear it up in the paint.

Lillard
Redick
Batum
Aldridge
Jefferson

With Matthews coming off the bench with Leonard and hopefully a new backup point guard.
 
At this point, I think I would go after Jefferson. He JUST turned 28, so he's still relatively young, he's a stat monster and maybe we could sign him and someone like Redick to come in here. I think Jefferson and Aldridge could play together.

If we could bring in guys without giving anything up, that's what we should be doing. Jefferson and Redick would give this team some more veteran experience and maybe we could get a couple other guys for the bench. With Lillard, Redick, and Batum spreading the floor, I think Aldridge and Jefferson could tear it up in the paint.

Lillard
Redick
Batum
Aldridge
Jefferson

With Matthews coming off the bench with Leonard and hopefully a new backup point guard.

That lineup has one good defender in it, in Batum. I'd personally prefer defensive role players at the 2 and 5, with a bolstered bench.
 
That lineup has one good defender in it, in Batum. I'd personally prefer defensive role players at the 2 and 5, with a bolstered bench.

Like who? I'd try to bring in some defensive players for the bench that could be rotated in as needed, but I think we should look at this cap space as we would look at the draft.

BPA BABY!
 
Like who? I'd try to bring in some defensive players for the bench that could be rotated in as needed, but I think we should look at this cap space as we would look at the draft.

BPA BABY!
I think you go BPA in the draft because it is young and cheap talent. I don't think you just sign the best guy you can in free agency, position be damned. You build in draft, and fill in through free agency. Just adding a good player, regardless of fit seems foolish to me. Going out and dropping 8-9 million on someone like Jefferson who is not a good defender, and who just forces Aldridge more time where everyone hates him seems like not an ideal use of cap space to me.
Just having good defenders on the bench then just puts the requirement for scoring solely on the starters. We have that situation this season. I'd prefer a slight decrease in scoring from our starters if it meant we had one decent bench scorer.
 
I think you go BPA in the draft because it is young and cheap talent. I don't think you just sign the best guy you can in free agency, position be damned. You build in draft, and fill in through free agency. Just adding a good player, regardless of fit seems foolish to me. Going out and dropping 8-9 million on someone like Jefferson who is not a good defender, and who just forces Aldridge more time where everyone hates him seems like not an ideal use of cap space to me.
Just having good defenders on the bench then just puts the requirement for scoring solely on the starters. We have that situation this season. I'd prefer a slight decrease in scoring from our starters if it meant we had one decent bench scorer.

But again, who would you go out and sign that you would deem a "good defender?"
 
Jefferson seems like an awful fit. Replicates Aldridge's scoring, and lack of defense and pairing them up would only take touches away from the other. It would be an expensive upgrade from what Hickson provides without actually fixing one of the key issues with this team- interior defense.
 
Jefferson seems like an awful fit. Replicates Aldridge's scoring, and lack of defense and pairing them up would only take touches away from the other. It would be an expensive upgrade from what Hickson provides without actually fixing one of the key issues with this team- interior defense.

Aldridge and Jefferson would work amazingly on offense. Replicates Aldridge's scoring? They primarily score in very different ways.
 
Aldridge and Jefferson would work amazingly on offense. Replicates Aldridge's scoring? They primarily score in very different ways.

I wouldn't say very different at all. Jefferson scores SLIGHTLY more within 10 feet, Aldridge slightly more outside of that. But fairly close.
My biggest issue with him, however, is his defense.
 
I wouldn't say very different at all. Jefferson scores SLIGHTLY more within 10 feet, Aldridge slightly more outside of that. But fairly close.
My biggest issue with him, however, is his defense.

Yeah, and that's why I think it would work so well.
 
Yeah, and that's why I think it would work so well.

So you want to spend ~$12 million a year on a player who scores slightly differently, and at the same FG%, from a guy you're already paying over $13 mil a year. And the new guy does nothing to improve the deficiencies of said player or the team?

How about instead of adding Al Jeff to score down low and turning LMA into a full on stretch 4 (as much as he may enjoy that), you just run more plays for LMA on the block, since hes roughly as good as Al Jeff scoring down low anyway. Then you can use the money you saved to get a stretch big man and/or big who will actually help improve weaknesses of the team.
 
So you want to spend ~$12 million a year on a player who scores slightly differently, and at the same FG%, from a guy you're already paying over $13 mil a year. And the new guy does nothing to improve the deficiencies of said player or the team?

How about instead of adding Al Jeff to score down low and turning LMA into a full on stretch 4 (as much as he may enjoy that), you just run more plays for LMA on the block, since hes roughly as good as Al Jeff scoring down low anyway. Then you can use the money you saved to get a stretch big man and/or big who will actually help improve weaknesses of the team.

I didn't say I wanted to do that at all. I was only commenting on how well I think they would work together on offense. But saying he wouldn't improve any weaknesses of the team is a little stupid. Are we the best at scoring in the paint? No? That's a weakness that Jefferson would address.
 
The Raptors are after Pau Gasol.

They could be a very interesting team with Lowry/Gay/Gasol.

Maybe Pau will come out of this slump (or is it age?) when he gets away from that clusterfuck, oh, and playing with Kobe.
 
I didn't say I wanted to do that at all. I was only commenting on how well I think they would work together on offense. But saying he wouldn't improve any weaknesses of the team is a little stupid. Are we the best at scoring in the paint? No? That's a weakness that Jefferson would address.

The board seems to believe that LMA has the best post scoring game in the league. Make him play on the block more. Problem solved.
 
The board seems to believe that LMA has the best post scoring game in the league. Make him play on the block more. Problem solved.

The second half of the 2011 season he played like a center and was putting up 25+PPG. Easily the best low-post scoring big in the game. He truly beasted every big he faced.

And then he rediscovered his feathery jumper.

LaSigh.
 
So you want to spend ~$12 million a year on a player who scores slightly differently, and at the same FG%, from a guy you're already paying over $13 mil a year. And the new guy does nothing to improve the deficiencies of said player or the team?

How about instead of adding Al Jeff to score down low and turning LMA into a full on stretch 4 (as much as he may enjoy that), you just run more plays for LMA on the block, since hes roughly as good as Al Jeff scoring down low anyway. Then you can use the money you saved to get a stretch big man and/or big who will actually help improve weaknesses of the team.

So again, I pose the same question to you that I posed to RR7.... who would you sign? Go look at the free agent list and tell me who could be had that would be a difference maker?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents/
 
So again, I pose the same question to you that I posed to RR7.... who would you sign? Go look at the free agent list and tell me who could be had that would be a difference maker?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents/

Why settle for throwing a bunch of money at the best guy you can get just for the sake of getting the best guy you can get regardless of not only what the team needs, but what it already has? Adding Al Jeff doesn't make your team a contender, and severely inhibits your team from making moves to get to that level. And LMA can do what he does just as well.

But to answer your question, here's my post earlier in this thread:

I'm a Josh Smith fan, and think he'd be a great fit for the Blazers. If they could get him without giving up a starter, a Lillard/Wes/Batum/Smith/LA lineup looks damn good to me. Great athleticism and length, the 2-4 are stout defensively, and I think Josh Smith could look great on offense as the 4th banana killing teams for collapsing on Lillard, LMA, and Batum. Athletically, they team can keep up with OKC and Miami (and anyone else) and they'd have a big skill advantage at the 4/5.

LMA bitching about playing C is problematic. You could argue that Smith, as a PF, provides what you want from a C. On ball defense, help defense, athleticism. People seem wary of him because hes not a big PF, but how many 6'9+ PFs are there in the league now? And how often have you seen him look overwhelmed physically? Also J-Smoove wants to get paid, and obviously you don't want to give him anywhere near max. But that starting 5 looks damn good on both sides of the ball IMO.

Other options:

Sign a journeyman C to play defense, rebound and be big. Dalembert, Kwame Brown, Chris Kaman will be out there and cheap. You'll still have enough money for another addition or two by FA or trade. Not sexy, but it wouldn't tie your club down to any long term contracts, it would improve defense and rebounding, and you'd add depth. This would take you guys from fringe PO team, to certain PO team and maybe mid-playoff seed, and it wouldn't compromise you financial flexibility, which means you can jump at an opportunity to take the next step to becoming a contender.

FAs aren't the only possibilities. We'll see what Olshey can do as far as acquiring more cap space, picks, or other assets at the deadline. Portland will among the most well equipped buyers this offseason.
 
I honestly think very little will be gotten done in free agency in terms of impact players. Olshey will probably have better luck trying to work out a lopsided trade with a team that needs to shed payroll before the really draconian luxury tax penalties start to kick in.
 
Why settle for throwing a bunch of money at the best guy you can get just for the sake of getting the best guy you can get regardless of not only what the team needs, but what it already has? Adding Al Jeff doesn't make your team a contender, and severely inhibits your team from making moves to get to that level. And LMA can do what he does just as well.

But to answer your question, here's my post earlier in this thread:



Other options:

Sign a journeyman C to play defense, rebound and be big. Dalembert, Kwame Brown, Chris Kaman will be out there and cheap. You'll still have enough money for another addition or two by FA or trade. Not sexy, but it wouldn't tie your club down to any long term contracts, it would improve defense and rebounding, and you'd add depth. This would take you guys from fringe PO team, to certain PO team and maybe mid-playoff seed, and it wouldn't compromise you financial flexibility, which means you can jump at an opportunity to take the next step to becoming a contender.

FAs aren't the only possibilities. We'll see what Olshey can do as far as acquiring more cap space, picks, or other assets at the deadline. Portland will among the most well equipped buyers this offseason.

We will not have cap space again for a while, with Aldridge, Batum, and Lillard taking up a lot of cap space. We have a chance this summer to get a difference maker. When will we have that opportunity again? And adding Smith makes even less sense because that would require Aldridge to essentially play center, which he doesn't want to do. Batum is the small forward in our system, and Smith hasn't played small forward in years. At least Jefferson is a center.

Also, why waste money on some scrub journeyman center when we could do that with the MLE next summer? We have a chance to throw a big contract on someone that will help move the needle.
 
We will not have cap space again for a while, with Aldridge, Batum, and Lillard taking up a lot of cap space. We have a chance this summer to get a difference maker. When will we have that opportunity again? And adding Smith makes even less sense because that would require Aldridge to essentially play center, which he doesn't want to do. Batum is the small forward in our system, and Smith hasn't played small forward in years. At least Jefferson is a center.

Also, why waste money on some scrub journeyman center when we could do that with the MLE next summer? We have a chance to throw a big contract on someone that will help move the needle.

It makes a ton of sense if Aldridge wasn't a pussy. That lineup would be amazing, much better than any lineup we would have with Big Al.
 
I agree with the mention of Dalembert. I think he's exactly the kind of player that we need at center while we develop Leonard, and he's (presumably) cheap. I'd trade for him now if Milwaukee would take Freeland for him.
 
I agree with the mention of Dalembert. I think he's exactly the kind of player that we need at center while we develop Leonard, and he's (presumably) cheap. I'd trade for him now if Milwaukee would take Freeland for him.

I loooooooooooooooooooooove Dalembert
 
It makes a ton of sense if Aldridge wasn't a pussy. That lineup would be amazing, much better than any lineup we would have with Big Al.

But Aldridge doesn't want to play center, so it is what it is. If we add Smith, I think it will just cause problems.

We need a center. We need a backup point guard. We need bench scoring.

Maybe go

Jarrett Jack
JJ Redick
Milsap

Lillard/Jack
Redick/Matthews
Batum/??
Aldridge/Milsap
Leonard/??
 
It makes a ton of sense if Aldridge wasn't a pussy. That lineup would be amazing, much better than any lineup we would have with Big Al.

Aldridge being a pussy is a big time issue. I think maybe if you did get Smith and maybe a coach that can really get LMA to buy in and make him think that he could win a ring with that group, he might change, a la Bosh or Gasol when they got traded. On paper, that lineup is fucking excellent and can play with the elite teams. But it does rely on LMA sacking up and deciding to mix it up down low, which we all know he can do.

We will not have cap space again for a while, with Aldridge, Batum, and Lillard taking up a lot of cap space. We have a chance this summer to get a difference maker. When will we have that opportunity again? And adding Smith makes even less sense because that would require Aldridge to essentially play center, which he doesn't want to do. Batum is the small forward in our system, and Smith hasn't played small forward in years. At least Jefferson is a center.

Also, why waste money on some scrub journeyman center when we could do that with the MLE next summer? We have a chance to throw a big contract on someone that will help move the needle.

As I said above, the Josh Smith idea relies on Aldridge buying into playing C. If he does do that, that team can contend for championships IMO. THATS the difference maker you should be going for. The goal is to win rings. Perhaps there are risks involved, but the reward could be tremendous.

The team with Al Jeff is not going to win a ring IMO. He would improve your team, and I suppose that means hes a difference maker. But the end goal is to win a ring. I don't think that core unit gets it done.

Furthermore, going with 4 years at ~$12 million per year on Al Jefferson limits Portland's ability to make moves to become a championship contender. A 4 year deal would go through 2017. LMA is due an extension in 2015, and Batum and Lillard are due extensions in 2016. That sounds like a hell of a lot of money tied up in a core four of a non-contender. Hard to see them fielding a decent team with whatever is leftover. Paul Allen is rich but the luxury tax looks awfully prohibitive, even Mark Cuban has expressed concern about getting into it. And regardless of whether PA will pay it, its never a smart move to strap your team with big, poor value contracts. Perhaps you can justify it if you know you've got a championship level team. Again, I don't think this one with Al Jeff is a contender.

Going with the stop gaps doesn't press you so hard against the lux tax line. They can also serve as tradeable assets in the form of expiring contracts when stars do become available via trade. I think you'll be in a better position to make a deal when the opportunity comes, and the team with Dalembert or Kwame Brown plus one or two quality bench players is probably roughly as good as the team with Al Jeff and a bench of vet minimum guys and rookies.

And if you're going to argue that the Al Jeff team would be better, I'll let you know my response right now is that if its not a contender and its not a step toward being a contender then who the fugg cares? IMO its not a contender and it makes it harder to take the leap to contention, not easier.
 
Aldridge being a pussy is a big time issue. I think maybe if you did get Smith and maybe a coach that can really get LMA to buy in and make him think that he could win a ring with that group, he might change, a la Bosh or Gasol when they got traded. On paper, that lineup is fucking excellent and can play with the elite teams. But it does rely on LMA sacking up and deciding to mix it up down low, which we all know he can do.

As I said above, the Josh Smith idea relies on Aldridge buying into playing C. If he does do that, that team can contend for championships IMO. THATS the difference maker you should be going for. The goal is to win rings. Perhaps there are risks involved, but the reward could be tremendous.

The team with Al Jeff is not going to win a ring IMO. He would improve your team, and I suppose that means hes a difference maker. But the end goal is to win a ring. I don't think that core unit gets it done.

Furthermore, going with 4 years at ~$12 million per year on Al Jefferson limits Portland's ability to make moves to become a championship contender. A 4 year deal would go through 2017. LMA is due an extension in 2015, and Batum and Lillard are due extensions in 2016. That sounds like a hell of a lot of money tied up in a core four of a non-contender. Hard to see them fielding a decent team with whatever is leftover. Paul Allen is rich but the luxury tax looks awfully prohibitive, even Mark Cuban has expressed concern about getting into it. And regardless of whether PA will pay it, its never a smart move to strap your team with big, poor value contracts. Perhaps you can justify it if you know you've got a championship level team. Again, I don't think this one with Al Jeff is a contender.

Going with the stop gaps doesn't press you so hard against the lux tax line. They can also serve as tradeable assets in the form of expiring contracts when stars do become available via trade. I think you'll be in a better position to make a deal when the opportunity comes, and the team with Dalembert or Kwame Brown plus one or two quality bench players is probably roughly as good as the team with Al Jeff and a bench of vet minimum guys and rookies.

And if you're going to argue that the Al Jeff team would be better, I'll let you know my response right now is that if its not a contender and its not a step toward being a contender then who the fugg cares? IMO its not a contender and it makes it harder to take the leap to contention, not easier.

Adding or not adding Jefferson is inconsequential because the core of Lillard, Batum, and Aldridge is damn good regardless. I think that lineup could compete for a championship, so adding another option in Jefferson or Smith is just icing on the cake, but we have to do it now or we won't have the cap space to sign a big time free agent.
 
I've never been a big Samuel Dalembert guy he plays really stupid sometimes. Hell if you want Dalembert you might as well should have hung on to Hasheem Thabeet.
 
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Clippers want KG. The Los Angeles Clippers have contacted the Boston Celtics about a potential trade surrounding Kevin Garnett, according to sources.

The two teams were talking ahead of Sunday's game against each other.

The Clippers' offer could include Eric Bledsoe and Caron Butler.
 
Clippers want KG. The Los Angeles Clippers have contacted the Boston Celtics about a potential trade surrounding Kevin Garnett, according to sources.

The two teams were talking ahead of Sunday's game against each other.

The Clippers' offer could include Eric Bledsoe and Caron Butler.

Terrible trade for both teams. Celtics are thin at big. Why trade big for small? Clippers have plenty of bigs and Paul and billups are questions on health.
 

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