The Official S2 NBA Lockout Thread!

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NBA players miss 1st paychecks today: Kobe ($1,051,832 lost), LeBron ($667,603 lost), Dirk ($795,535 lost).
 
Today is the 1st day of NBA players missing paychecks. The avg NBA player will lose $220,000 today.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Economists tell CBS Miami that South Florida may suffer $200 million in losses if there is no pro basketball this year. Portland says no Blazers games translates to a $59 million hit, Oklahoma City claims it will lose $60 million if Kevin Durant doesn't play, and Tony Parker's Spurs are worth an astonishing $90 million to the businesses of San Antonio.

Though Miami will feel it the worst, some feel the whole reason for the lockout itself is the Heat's ability to add James and Chris Bosh last year during free agency. Small market owners want to make sure that never happens again.

Hey Miami . . . that is called Karma.
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Karma for what exactly? Three (free agent) guys decided they wanted to play together -- which is perfectly permissible under the rules -- and they even took a pay cut to do it.

If I and 2 of my co-workers wanted to split off from our current company and form our own consulting firm, would that be unethical or immoral?
 
Major NBA Team Sponsor MillerCoors to Withhold Payments During Lockout


Without NBA action around to promote its products, MillerCoors doesn’t see it fit to keep making sponsorship payments to NBA teams until they can figure out a way to end the labor dispute. From the Journal Sentinel: “It didn’t take long for at least one major business to react to the news that the NBA players had rejected the league’s contract offer. MillerCoors, which spends heavily on sports advertising and has sponsorship deals with many NBA teams, including the Milwaukee Bucks, announced Monday it was withholding all payments to its NBA partners until a resolution to the lockout is found. Peter Marino, a MillerCoors spokesman, said the decision was made after players rejected the NBA’s latest offer. He said the payments will be made in full upon resolution of the bitter dispute. MillerCoors has been a major sponsor of the Bucks for years. While it is not known what the deal is worth, SportsBusiness Journal reported that three-quarters of MillerCoors’ total TV advertising spending last year – about $214 million – was dedicated to sports.”
 
Nikolokolus said:
Karma for what exactly? Three (free agent) guys decided they wanted to play together -- which is perfectly permissible under the rules -- and they even took a pay cut to do it.

If I and 2 of my co-workers wanted to split off from our current company and form our own consulting firm, would that be unethical or immoral?
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That's not a good comparison. That would mean that Wade, James, and Bosh left the NBA and started their own team, outside of the NBA.
 
I think K*be has a clause that gives him 80% of his paycheck on July 1. So he's already missed something like 20M in salary.
 
PapaG said:
That's not a good comparison. That would mean that Wade, James, and Bosh left the NBA and started their own team, outside of the NBA.
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I don't think it's all that off. If I formed a consulting firm that competed directly with my former employer, how would that be different from James and Bosh competing directly against their former employers? The NBA can be viewed as a self-contained industry, with players existing simultaneously as the employees and the product.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I don't think it's all that off. If I formed a consulting firm that competed directly with my former employer, how would that be different from James and Bosh competing directly against their former employers? The NBA can be viewed as a self-contained industry, with players existing simultaneously as the employees and the product.
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The NBA is a league. While the teams are 'competitors', they are all under the same 'company'. Now, if you said you worked for Apple, for instance, and you and some buddies wanted to move from your various divisions to the iPad, it's a bit more comparable.
 
PapaG said:
The NBA is a league. While the teams are 'competitors', they are all under the same 'company'. Now, if you said you worked for Apple, for instance, and you and some buddies wanted to move from your various divisions to the iPad, it's a bit more comparable.
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You can buy stock in the Celtics corporation, that doesn't give you ownership of any NBA team except the one in Boston.
 
you can't buy stock in any of the other 29 unless your "competitors" say so. I think that's a more valid point to make than bringing up a non-voting share of Celtics stock.

If what you're proposing was "the way it was", Larry Ellison could just buy up all the Boston Celtics stock he wanted to until he owned 51% of the team. The NBA doesn't work that way.
 
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The NBA informed teams late this afternoon that games through December 15th have been cancelled, a front office executive says.
 
The NBA is like MCDonalds to me. There's the main company and a number of franchises owned by individuals. You have to pay a franchise fee, as well as other qualifications to become an owner. They may also have other restrictions, like not allowing you to open a restaurant too close to another.

I don't think the workers are unionized. A franchise in Alabama may pay minimum wage, while one in the SF Bay area during boom times might have to pay double just to find willing employees.

There's nothing stopping two employees from opening a burger joint, but they might not be able to open their own franchise.

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The NBA informed teams late this afternoon that games through December 15th have been cancelled, a front office executive says.
 
We only got a couple weeks until the remainder of the 2011 calendar games will be cancelled, including the prized Christmas day game. The league has maintained they need about a month from a handshake deal until the regular season can start.

With the union converting to a trade association, Hunter and Fisher said they can no longer collectively bargain on behalf of the players. I’m curious what the minimum amount of time to end the lockout would be? If a majority of players and owners agreed on a deal could they reform the union and have a deal approved immediately? Or would there now be a drawn out legal process that takes an additional month or two at the minimum even if both parties wanted to resume play?
 
We're still only seeing a trickle of people going overseas (today I read about Casspi to Israel and Splitter to Freeland's Unicaja - and they're both returning to leagues they've played in before) which suggests to me that the players still believe this can be resolved. Teams like Real Madrid and Barcelona (which, remember, have enormously profitable "soccer" teams as part of their organization) have real money to throw around if a star NBA player wanted to agree to play for the whole season.
 
Screw the players, they are among the highest paid athletes in the world...I hope the owners take them to the woodshed.....

unguaranteed contracts...hard salary cap...just like the NFL, whose players BTW are UNDERPAID for the risks they take to play thier profession....

I don't see the courts ruling in the players' favor...there are other leagues, other ways to make thier living....albeit none so lucrative as the NBA, which has so unfairly :lol: bargained with them for a new deal.....

What a joke...this is all about Players' ego....1st, 2nd and 3rd... a bunch of prima donnas who have been coddled and told they are the man for thier whole fucking life and now suddenly think that THEY are going to tell\show the owners...KG, Pierce, Wade fuck them....Players come and go, franchises are here for the long haul, and there will always be another Lebron, Wade, Kobe.....ALWAYS.....

I don't feel bad for them, never have, doubt I ever will...bring on the scab players , I'll go watch them, probably be better basketball quite honestly...at least I won't be watching some overpriced slug play like he doesn't give a shit and try not to remind myself that.."Oh yeah, he is ONLY making $12 mil a year..."

and I don't want to hear this shit about how the owners paid them this type of money, they don't really have a choice...either they remain an uncompetitive\bottom dweller in the name of fiscal conservatism....or they pay the going rate....and the rich get richer and the rest of the league sufffers....and the players in thier ego driven maniacal behavior were pushing owners to thier hardline stance anyway...the whole Miami triad fiasco? Amare and the Carmelo mess in Denver? Chris Paul's impending Free agent super tour? You can't have a competitive league in BASKETBALL when the best players are grouping together to play on super teams....

Another reason why the NFL got it right BTW....ANY team has a legit chance to win an NBA title....in the current NBA? mmm...not so much and in the future with the way it was headed? Not a fucking chance in hell......

Love basketball, but I can enjoy college basketball just as much as the NBA....as can most people...I look forward to watching NBA basketball under a new stricter labor agreement, one that hopefully includes non guaranteed contracts and a hard cap....
 
Just been channeling my inner Seinfeld lately.

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Man, the news conference by the former NBAPA is intense. It will be interesting to hear the owners side of the argument


Anti trust filed in Cali and MInny
 
Billy Hunter says antitrust complaint will be filed tonight in N. District of California vs. NBA.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Man, the news conference by the former NBAPA is intense. It will be interesting to hear the owners side of the argument


Anti trust filed in Cali and MInny
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Why 2 locations. and why THOSE locations?
 
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Dvid Boies says he case is based on a boycott of NBA teams, a per se violation of antitrust laws.
 
Boies says there is "no doubt" that this boycott is a violation of antitrust laws. Only question is whether NBA has labor exemption.
 
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