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what a shocker, yet another person has no idea what you are gabarbling about, i think thats about everyone at this point
 
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NBPA head Billy Hunter said on WFAN that the NBA players and owners have agreed to meet with a federal mediator on Monday.
 
NBPA chief Billy Hunter just revealed both sides will meet with a federal mediator on Monday.
 
KBergCBS: League source confirms the two sides are working on scheduling a meeting for early next week.
 
The NBA labor talks are headed for government intervention after the canceling of games drew the attention of the nation's top federal mediator.

George Cohen, director of the federal mediation and conciliation service, will be in New York City Monday to interview separately executives from the NBA and the National Basketball Players Association, two people with knowledge of the meeting told CBSSports.com Wednesday. The two parties will then meet in Cohen's office Tuesday in Washington, D.C.

Billy Hunter, the NBPA's executive director, divulged in a radio interview with WFAN in New York earlier Wednesday that the two sides had agreed to have their failed negotiations on a new collective bargaining agreement federally mediated.

Cohen, appointed by President Obama, was called upon to mediate the NFL's labor negotiation with the NFL Players Association before that sport's recent lockout was imposed. He has no binding authority and can only make suggestions. If nothing else, a fresh set of eyes and opinions -- not to mention meetings with a different venue and format -- couldn't hurt.

Cohen has argued five landmark labor cases before the U.S. Supreme Court and last year helped avert a crisis in Major League Soccer's labor talks. He is a former appellate court attorney with the National Labor Relations Board, and in fact argued before then-U.S. District Judge Sonia Sotomayor on the day she issued an injunction that effectively ended the Major League Baseball strike in 1995. Cohen was the MLBPA's lead attorney in the case, and also has worked with the NBPA.

In a Los Angeles Times article from March, footbal agent Leigh Steinberg said a good mediator is "an expert in the psychology of human gridlock." To that extent, Cohen has joined the right fight, as the NBA and NBPA are hopelessly, needlessly gridlocked over issues that should have been easily solved once they approached a compromise on how to divide the sport's $4 billion of revenues. The league's bargaining talks broke off Monday night after 13 hours over two days and multiple sessions over a two-week period. The league on Monday canceled the first two weeks of the regular season.

Drawn by the fact that lost games will have an economic impact beyond the parties involved, Cohen's office called both parties this week to request that they voluntarily participate in mediation, two sources said. Both agreed.

For those wondering why the step wasn't taken sooner, federal mediators generally don't get involved in labor disputes unless asked, or unless they reach an impasse after the sides had ample time to bargain. The NFL requested Cohen's involvement before the lockout was imposed, and while it's unclear what impact he had on the ultimate resolution, his powers at the time were muted by the lack of urgency in the talks.
 
If I were the owners, I would encourage the players to start their own league so they could see just how much it is to operate one.

I would love to be there when Amare says..."Wait, I have to pay for the plane? The hotel?My own food? The coaches? The guys that clean up the arena? The refs? The Doctors? The ticket guys? The balls? The practice arenas? The food to feed the fans? The financial guys that figure out how to pay for it all? The ticket sellers? The engineers to keep everything working....etc
 
yuyuza1 said:
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Then do something about it!
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Well Obama appointed Cohen to handle this who then:

called both parties this week to request that they voluntarily participate in mediation, two sources said. Both agreed.


You want Obama himself to handle the mediation? :D
 
In Blazers' absence, Winterhawks move game: What’s bad for the goose is occasionally good for the gander
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Yahoo! Sports: In time of need, Michael Jordan silent in labor talks
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Jordan probably looks at the money being spent on players and cringes.

Some Recent NBA Players Who Will Have Made More Career Money Than Michael Jordan (Based on Current Contracts)

MJ - ~$90 million

Joe Johnson
Andrei Kirilienko
Erik Dampier
Yao Ming
Peja Stohakovic
Lamar Odom
Pau Gasol
Damon Stoudamire
Gilbert Arenas
Michael Redd
Eddie Jones
Jalen Rose
Steve Francis
Mike Bibby
Shawn Marion
Marcus Camby
Antoine Walker
Kenyon Martin
Brian Grant (30th Most $$$ Ever???? I love some BGrant, but Wow!)
Antonio McDyess
Allan Houston
Baron Davis
Rashard Lewis
Penny Hardaway
Antawn Jamison
Zydrunas Ilgauskaus
Elton Brand
Michale Finley ($140 million!!!)
Juwan Howard ($150 million???)
Stephon Marbury ($151 million)
Rasheed Wallace ($156 million - 9th all-time!!)
Jermaine O'Neal ($159 million?!?!)
Chris Webber ($178 MILLION)



The list goes on and on
 
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Welcome to the knatlike attention span of HuevonKiller, Rasta. You usually aren't on the OT board, so you don't know that he specializes in 1-liners pretending to know economics and insulting you for supposedly not knowing economics. When Denny posts in the thread, he'll just blow you off by telling you to "see Denny's post."
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Yahoo! Sports: In time of need, Michael Jordan silent in labor talks
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It's because he doesn't want to be disrespected/fined again

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6...obcats-fined-100k-talking-lockout-sources-say

Jordan, who along with Bucks owner Herb Kohl recently lobbied other owners to support revenue sharing, told The Herald Sun: "We need a lot of financial support throughout the league as well as revenue sharing to keep this business afloat.
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I'm with MJ.
 
Dear NBAPA,

Auto workers just accepted a contract making less because the economy sucks. Stop being so fucking greedy and understand that 50/50 sounds fair to every American. You have had it good for long enough. Give up the 5th six figure car and get back to work
 
Melo on ESPN radio said the owners' initial starting pt for the BRI was 35% to the players, and was chuckling. WTF. Maybe they really are not negotiating in good faith.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
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what a shocker, yet another person has no idea what you are gabarbling about, i think thats about everyone at this point
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It is pretty embarrassing you are unaware Singapore and Hong Kong are the best economies in Asia. Criticizing them is the fucking stupidest thing you've ever said possibly. Shut your mouth please, SlyPokerDog is just a charlatan.

Also what specific strategies would you suggest for those two economies? Please, STFU already SlyPokerDog is talking out of his ass.
 
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Hunter Says CBA Deal Was Close


It can be difficult to get an accurate read on the state of collective bargaining between the NBA and players union, particularly if one pays attention to the post-meeting rhetoric coming from both sides.

After seven hours of negotiation on Monday, David Stern said the sides remain "very, very apart on all issues" as he cancelled two weeks of regular season games.

Yet during an interview on WFAN on Wednesday, Billy Hunter indicated that an agreement between the owners and players had been nearing completion.

"We thought we could live with the deal we were close to making," Hunter said.

Via Henry Abbott, True Hoop (via Twitter)


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/215991/Hunter_Says_CBA_Deal_Was_Close#ixzz1agREoEvG
 
Mediocre Man said:
Dear NBAPA,

Auto workers just accepted a contract making less because the economy sucks. Stop being so fucking greedy and understand that 50/50 sounds fair to every American. You have had it good for long enough. Give up the 5th six figure car and get back to work
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I work for a company that does a "pay for performance" system. In the last year they were able to declare dividends to their share holders of $300 million but when it came to our annual review they didn't give raises (just bonuses if you were eligible, which doesn't increase your base pay) because of the economy. We aren't in a union and none of us were thrilled about it but in the end I was so thankful to have a stable job, because the company had managed their finances so well. I realize how blessed I am right now!

It's very difficult to have any sympathy for these players, it's one thing to ask for 53% of the profit but the players are asking for 53% if the revenue right off the top regardless of the expenses. Who could run a business like that?!? If I was an owner forced to accept that I wouldn't be serving meals on the planes and they'd be sleeping in Motel 6s from then on.
 
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Shit is starting to fly....wow

KBergCBSKen Berger

Stern: "It's time to make a deal. If we don't make it Tuesday , my gut ... is that we won't be playing on Christmas Day."



TrueHoopHenry Abbott

Stern is now killing Billy Hunter as a leader. Says union proposed 50/50, then Hunter was absent and silent as it failed with KG, Kobe etc.



TrueHoopHenry Abbott

Stern also says idea of 50/50 BRI split came a month ago from the union's "negotiator." http://player.radio.com/player/RadioPlayer.php?version=1.2.12495&station=62




by AlexKennedyNBA
Stern: We offered the union to look at our books. Union declined.



TrueHoopHenry Abbott

Stern says league has proposed cutting unperforming players and paying them over twice as much time.
 
SeanDeveneySean Deveney





Stern tells WFAN that the league is taking a revenue-sharing plan to committee next Wednesday, and to the board on Thursday ...
 
Stern: Deal By Tuesday Or No Games Through Christmas
Oct 13, 2011 4:53 PM EDT


During a Thursday interview on WFAN, David Stern indicated that Tuesday's bargaining session in front of a federal mediator will be momentous. If there is no agreement by then, Stern predicted a long lockout that will wipe out games at least through Christmas.

"It’s time to make the deal. If we don’t make it Tuesday, my gut … is that we won’t be playing on Christmas Day," Stern said.

However, Stern's tone was generally positive and his outlook about reaching an ultimate resolution to end the lockout seemed optimistic.

Stern repeated his earlier assertions that the share of basketball-related income is no longer a major obstacle to completing the new CBA. The commissioner stated that deal points concerning league competitiveness, giving each team a realistic chance to win a championship, are the remaining items to be hammered out.

Stern also indicated that it was the players union that invited the league to impose a punitive luxury tax in place of a hard cap or a flexible soft cap.

The commissioner may be leaving the door open to playing a full 82-game schedule, in saying that two weeks of the regular season will certainly be lost for good if a deal is not reached soon. On Monday, Stern cancelled two weeks of games and was dismissive of the notion that those missed games could be made up. But Billy Hunter believes this would be possible through a compressed schedule and an extension of the regular season. Today Stern may have revealed some hope of that contingency plan should a new CBA be agreed upon quickly.

Stern was emphatic in saying that the league has no furtive wish for a long lockout or the cancellation of any games as a strategy intended to bust the players union.

Via WFAN


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...y_Or_No_Games_Through_Christmas#ixzz1ahOgrRri
 
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