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Chris_Broussard NBA labor update:

Just told by reliable source that "progress is being made." no details given, but I've been assured of progress.
 
I've learned my lesson from the previous three meetings. I refuse to get my hopes up until it's official.
 
I'm so annoyed at this lockout that I can't enjoy this LSU/Bama game. Oh well Time for the ducks.
 
MrMichaelLee: Just asked someone with knowledge of NBA labor negotiations if sides were almost home on a deal. Response: "Very close"

Here we go again...
 
Chris Broussard: Source reiterates that labor Meeting is going very well

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You have to believe the players know they have no leverage at this point
 
KBergCBS Ken Berger
NBA talks are over for the night. "No deal," a source says.
 
ZachLowe_SI Zach Lowe
Separate press conferences. No deal, and there wasn't going to be one tonight. My semi-informed guess: Muted progress. Not enough.
 
KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern: Cohen suggested 49-51 BRI band for BRI ... mini mid-level $2.5M for 2-year deal for tax payers ... recommended no s&t for tax payers

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern: We accepted the first five (suggested) and adopted as our proposal. We told the players we would put those in writing ...
 
Woah

If players don't accept current 49-51 band proposal, the owners will draw up a new proposal Wednesday night only offering 47% and a flex cap
 
Way too many updates coming in right now. But I'm very surprised the mediator allowed Stern to go into this much detail about their proposal to the public.
 
Tax payers with $2.5 mil MLE is reasonable, but the no S&T for all tax payers will seriously change the way we look at trade deadlines and expiring contracts.
 
No sign-and-trades for tax payers kills D12 to LA

I want this in the CBA
 
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Ken Berger: It's a 50-50 deal up to projected revenues. If business does better than expected, players get 57 pct of the 1 pct. between 50 and 51
 
Adrian Wojnarowski: Veteran player who has long been on side of decertification just texted me: "Time to blow this (bleep) to the moon."
 
well shit.

Berger: Fisher: We've been given the ultimatum and our answer is that's not acceptable to us
 
^^^

And....

Brian T. Smith: Fisher: "I'm not sure when or why'd we'd meet [with the NBA again] with the ultimatum on Wednesday."

Guessing no season.
 
This is so stupid. What's the guarantee that they will get better deals if they do decertify?
 
Adrian Wojnarowski: Several agents believed bad turn today in talks would get them player support they need for decertification. They're polling players now.
 
Are the talks being held in Zbo's suite at the Hotel Vintage Plaza because the union just got screwed in the ass.
 
jlprk said:
A player without a guaranteed contract will protect himself from injury by dogging it. Intensity will decrease, first in the players, then in the fans watching.
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Blazinaway said:
Pure BS, if he "dogs it" he has no guaranteed contart and the owner or GM will fire his sorry ass as it should be, don't play hard don't get paid
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mgb said:
Exactly, while a player that has a guaranteed contract can dog it or just be a bitch because they think they have been insulted or some bs,,,until the contract year of course.
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Maybe I should use some expression other than "dogging it" but it seems obvious that a guaranteed contract is like an insurance policy against injury. If players aren't insured anymore, the playing standard to which they adhere will be to not risk injury as much as they do now.

You say, just cut the few who play that way, but they'll all play that way. Wouldn't you?

In the 60s, NBA players played to conserve energy more than they did by the 80s. Dave Cowens in the 70s started diving to the floor for loose balls, getting kneeburns, and shortening his career. If you watched then, it's easy now to imagine the return of a less risky style of play.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
My opinion of Nazr Mohammed has gone up in this lockout. That man takes no shit!
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my favorite one is this one:

A team that's paying the luxury tax cant go out & compete in free agency. They wont b able 2 keep a championship team 2gether n Dallas' case


Well actually, it means they'll have to compete smartly instead of just throwing more and more money onto it. I'd rather it not be the same teams (who have more money then the rest) being able to do whatever they want.
 
Gee that would be such a shame if a handful of teams couldn't so easily create dynasties and use the rest of the league as their farm system. Pure tragedy. What a fucking idiot douche.
 
BBert said:
Gee that would be such a shame if a handful of teams couldn't so easily create dynasties and use the rest of the league as their farm system. Pure tragedy. What a fucking idiot douche.
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You think this is going to stop players signing for the Lakers or Heat? You sign on even for half what under-the-cap teams can pay and your merchandizing potential more than makes up for it. So yes, this might affect the Mavs (and certainly would hurt the Blazers if they weren't going to suck anyway) but it's not going to hurt the teams everybody hates already.

And for all the league talks about parity, you think David Stern is going to allow a system that prevents teams like the Lakers and Knicks putting together dynasties?
 
julius said:
Well actually, it means they'll have to compete smartly instead of just throwing more and more money onto it.
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You talk as if those things are contradictory. Um, do you remember the Mavs before Cuban arrived and started "throwing money around"? They were complete and utter shit.

I'd rather it not be the same teams (who have more money then the rest) being able to do whatever they want.
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So you'd remove the Blazers' only advantage over other small market teams (a rich owner)?
So you'd have small market teams all gamble on having a superstar sign with them by letting all their players get away (to clear cap space) only to have him sign for less with a big-market team anyway?
 
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