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Bucher


Have to admire owners' strategy. Revised offer puts onus squarely on players to accept deal -- bad or not -- or be blamed for armageddon.
 
Woj


Several agents tell Y! Sports they have 200-plus player signatures for union decertification petition and paperwork could be filed Friday.
 
The owners' offer is a 50-50 BRI split, sources say. But early indications are, not as meaningfully different on system as Stern portrayed.
 
Owners tweaked sign-and-trades for tax teams, forbidden under previous proposal, "slightly," source says.
 
Woj


The seven major agencies will likely get together on a conference call Friday, but nothing scheduled yet, agents say.
 
Mini mid-level, as I reported earlier, goes from two years starting at $2.5M every other year for tax teams, to three years starting at $3M.
 
Don't have full details of revised owners' proposal, but league barely moved on most of important system issues, sources say.
 
From team executives to agents, a lot of questions about why union needs to wait until Monday or Tuesday to bring player reps to New York.
 
Mannix


Hearing from players, most very interested to see how far the NBA moved on the tax issues.
 
There were small tweaks. Example: Source close to matter says league has offered opt-out after Year 6.
 
Broussard


Owners' new offer includes new $2.5 mill exception.Also, will raise minimum payroll for teams (used to b 75% of cap, will now b much higher)
 
HCP said:
Amico


Honestly, when NBA union exec Billy Hunter says "It's not the greatest proposal in the world," I hear "Hey, everybody! We got a deal!"
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That was exactly how I read that statement.

Following Hunter throughout all this, with all the spit and hate he usually comes out of negotiations with, this was a clear indication to me that there is a deal on the table that will work.

"not the greatest proposal in the world" is far and away the best statement Hunter has said about a deal. Heck they were probably ready to accept the other deal and are just trying to save face.
 
HCP said:
Mannix


Hearing from players, most very interested to see how far the NBA moved on the tax issues.
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Interesting. That was there main question? Are we talking luxory tax or the 10 % tax that the owners wanted taken out? I am very curious to know what issues concern them most.
 
Stein


Sources close to decert movement stress firm decision won't come until "tomorrow" but that most likely scenario is filing petition Friday
 
Cautiously optimistic.

It will be a tough pill to swallow for the players, but comparatively it sounds like a better deal than that of the NFL and NHL. With the minor league system, 162 game schedule, and limited income prior to free agency, it could still be argued that it is better than baseball.
 
Source says league conceded on sign-and-trades for taxpayers. That's a big one for the union to have.
 
Ominous warning from source on players' side expecting NBA offer to be rejected: "Nothing was addressed. It's same offer as it was before."
 
Aldridge


League was diabolical tonight--& I use that word w/respect. Dangling 72 game season is ultimate tease for players desperate to play.
 
Aldridge

Would not want to be a player rep over the next 72 hours. They will be pushed and pulled in all directions--take it, reject it..tough call.
 
Hysterical. Decertification is a joke of a threat. The players know this deal is the best they're going to get. They'll only miss one paycheck if they say "yes". If they say "no", they lose the season.
 
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski

NBPA player rep on union leadership: "Why do they keep scrambling us to New York for these meetings when they never listen to us?"
 
SlyPokerDog said:
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski

NBPA player rep on union leadership: "Why do they keep scrambling us to New York for these meetings when they never listen to us?"
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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski

Player rep (cont.): "We told them not to go past 53 percent. They did. We told them we're not taking this deal. Why waste our time?"
 
SlyPokerDog said:
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski

NBPA player rep on union leadership: "Why do they keep scrambling us to New York for these meetings when they never listen to us?"
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SlyPokerDog said:
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski

Player rep (cont.): "We told them not to go past 53 percent. They did. We told them we're not taking this deal. Why waste our time?"
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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski

Another veteran role player texts: "How quickly does Billy (Hunter) get fired after we sign this bull----?"
 
Weeb weeb weeb weeb. Weeb weeb weeb. Weeb wweeeb@!!
 
BrianFromWA said:
BrianFromWA: It's amazing that you're 4 months into a lockout, 22 hours into a "last-ditch" negotiating session, and you still don't know what the effing issues are.
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Oh yeah right, like you know or something?
 
HCP said:
Hunter says there are another 30 or 40 secondary issues that also need to be resolved.
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This is what I've been saying. The owners shot for too many goals. Too ambitious. This is too complex because of too many issues. Owners should have aimed for 3 changes and only 5 years instead of a 10 year contract. 5 years later, they could have gone for another 3 goals.

Too many balls being juggled in the air simultaneously.
 
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