The Osama Bin Laden Conspiracy Theories- you know they're coming.

[tlongII]

Hey, if they show irrefutable evidence I will gladly accept it, but immediately dumping the body in the ocean looks really fishy... no pun intended.

It seems perfectly logical to me. Burial at sea is permissable according to Islamic beliefs and it is also customary for burial to be within 24 hours of death. I would bury him at sea so that no martyrdom site pops up where he would have been buried in the ground. I think this whole thing was handled perfectly. I have to give Obama a big "THUMBS UP!" for this one.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think any refutable evidence can be fabricated at this point. Closed loop. No independant confirmation.

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Obama should have skull fucked Bin Laden's corpse in front of the United Nations!

That would have sent a message to the world!

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Hey, if they show irrefutable evidence I will gladly accept it, but immediately dumping the body in the ocean looks really fishy... no pun intended.

So are you questioning US intelligence or saying they may flat out be lying about Osama?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I believe we will have congressional hearings on how this was handled. Eventually. Maybe not. But it was done so quickly. The pakistan connection needs to be explored.

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[The_Lillard_King]

And what if hes been dead for a while?

So the idea being the US has known he has been dead for a while and are announcing it just happened recently. Is that the thought?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I believe we will have congressional hearings on how this was handled.

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And give Obama another chance to be hailed by the American people. They should hold the congressional hearing right before the elections!

You would think a lesson had been learned by the whole birthers thing.

 

[Natebishop3]

Who did I attack personally? You were trying to lump Democrats together as hypocrites. I didn't ever say "Bush lied, people died" and I've said several times recently that Obama has utterly failed to keep his campaign promises about transparency. If we're on the subject of each other's "problems," your problem is that you don't make any nuanced arguments. It's all broad strokes that generally try to lump "Dems" or liberals together negatively. Where are your rants about "Repubs" or conservatives?

The American people, in general, are partisan and political opportunists (at least, those interested in politics). If your only point was Democrats are more critical of Republican politicians and vice versa....that's a bit obvious, eh? Your rant was clearly more to take Democrats to task for what people of each party does. I was just highlighting that.

My point is, the Democrats seem to be extremely hypocritical on the heels of Bush. They yelled and screamed and bitched and moaned about how dirty he was, and how corrupt things were, and how Obama was basically a breath of fresh air. That certainly doesn't seem to be the case, regardless of whether he did or did not get Osama. Sorry if I make broad strokes, but you don't see me making claims that those who think something is suspect about this have a mental disorder as someone did in this thread. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I can't stand hypocrisy, and that goes for the other side as well.

There's a reason why I'm not a Republican. The party doesn't stand for conservative spending or less government anymore. There's no way a Republican should support legislation on abortion, gay marriage, or doctor assisted suicide. They have no right to tell people what they can or can't do in their homes. I think it's disgusting that the GOP has been taken over by some kind of moral elite who thinks they have the pulse of America. I didn't vote for Bush because I deplore the Patriot Act and there was an obscene level of corruption in his administration.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So the idea being the US has known he has been dead for a while and are announcing it just happened recently. Is that the thought?

There is no prevailing thought here. Just a collection of theories. Many unrelated

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[DaLincolnJones]

I have seen pictures of dead bad guys from the time photos were introduced. Before photos, they did sketches. The dead guys were on display for all to see. They would stick them right out in public. Hell, we even have sadam on film. That guy made the internet within Min's.

If obummer is so proud and stuff, sneak us a peek. I dont want to wait around until they can CGI something together. People say that they faked the moon landing. I do not agree, but if you could fool the people with that technology, think about what you could do today..

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

And give Obama another chance to be hailed by the American people. They should hold the congressional hearing right before the elections!

You would think a lesson had been learned by the whole birthers thing.

The birthers is irreverent. If anything this would help obama take americas mind off the economy and justify his foreign policy.

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[maxiep]

You know Minstrel, you and barfo will only respond with snarky comments and sarcasm, but I go out of my way to say that it's on both sides. I didn't like Bush, I didn't vote for Bush, but I get lumped in with "the right" and the Republicans because I don't like Obama or trust the government? You guys are as bad, or worse, than the people on the right because you make assumptions, you attack people personally, and you use humor and sarcasm as a weapon to discredit people and make them sound foolish. It's rather petty and childish.

Which is why they're not worth conversing with.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Oh yeah, they did a scan..hmm

 

[The_Lillard_King]

If obummer is so proud and stuff, sneak us a peek. I dont want to wait around until they can CGI something together. People say that they faked the moon landing. I do not agree, but if you could fool the people with that technology, think about what you could do today..

It's funny. This sentence could be applied to the issue of if Obama was born in the US or if Bin Laden is really dead.

 

[Natebishop3]

So the idea being the US has known he has been dead for a while and are announcing it just happened recently. Is that the thought?

That would be my take. What did it benefit the Bush administration to say that he was dead? They lose their bad guy who was the entire reason for going into Afghanistan in the first place, and the extremists gain a martyr that they can champion for their cause. It would have been best to just let the guy die quietly and never be heard from again.

A better question is; what does Obama gain from "killing" Osama now? It's a major chip to have when he runs for re-election. If he was already dead, there's no harm because he's still dead but now Obama gets the credit for it. That's the thought.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

The birthers is irreverent. If anything this would help obama take americas mind off the economy and justify his foreign policy.

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I agree a congressional hearing willl only help Obama.

That is why I related the birthers to this . . . in the end the birthers ended up helping Obama.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

http://drudgereport.com/

 

[Rodolfo]

I think it's crazy to think it would take US intelligence 10 years to find and kill him. My money is on him being dead a loooong time ago.

 

[maxiep]

I hope the "burial at sea" was either dumping his corpse from the flying ceiling of a helicopter, off the back of a boat where he was washed through the prop or tied to a submarine that cruised down to near crush depth.

 

[Minstrel]

Which is why they're not worth conversing with.

Ouch. Good thing you don't use sarcasm, snark or condescension.

Oh wait...that was me being snarky again. I can't stop it.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

That would be my take. What did it benefit the Bush administration to say that he was dead? They lose their bad guy who was the entire reason for going into Afghanistan in the first place, and the extremists gain a martyr that they can champion for their cause. It would have been best to just let the guy die quietly and never be heard from again.

A better question is; what does Obama gain from "killing" Osama now? It's a major chip to have when he runs for re-election. If he was already dead, there's no harm because he's still dead but now Obama gets the credit for it. That's the thought.

If Bush had a chance to announce bin Laden dead, he would have jumped on it. A president who wasn't shy about announcing Iraq had WMD before he had good intelligence.

If the argument was it is bad intelligence and they got a bin Laden look alike, I get that given the US intelligence track record. But if the thought is Obama is flat out lying to the American people and doesn't believe what he is saying . . . I don't think even Bush would that.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

http://drudgereport.com/

Thanks Sly, very good post.

All I kept thinking "coming soon to a theater near you..." The very best hollywood has to offer.

 

[Minstrel]

My point is, the Democrats seem to be extremely hypocritical on the heels of Bush. They yelled and screamed and bitched and moaned about how dirty he was, and how corrupt things were, and how Obama was basically a breath of fresh air. That certainly doesn't seem to be the case, regardless of whether he did or did not get Osama. Sorry if I make broad strokes, but you don't see me making claims that those who think something is suspect about this have a mental disorder as someone did in this thread.

But you often see conservatives on these forums insulting others and using sarcasm, snark, etc. Surely you're not claiming that you don't use sarcasm and snark? That would be...an interesting claim.

Sure, SOME Democrats are hypocrites. So are SOME Republicans. Again, members of one party being more critical of the opposing party is hardly insightful. We all know that's the case. Why didn't the Tea Party spring up when Bush was increasing the deficit. Or when Reagan was? Because they knew that years later Obama would do more? Why are conservatives on this board up in arms about lack of transparency with Obama, but weren't creating daily threads about Bush when he was President?

Okay, you're not a member of the Republican party...but how come you've never authored long posts taking Republicans to task for hypocrisy?

 

[Natebishop3]

If Bush had a chance to announce bin Laden dead, he would have jumped on it. A president who wasn't shy about announcing Iraq had WMD before he had good intelligence.

If the argument was it is bad intelligence and they got a bin Laden look alike, I get that given the US intelligence track record. But if the thought is Obama is flat out lying to the American people and doesn't believe what he is saying . . . I don't think even Bush would that.

I believe Bush did lie. I never believed for a minute that we went into Iraq for WMDs, so Bush flat out lied to the American people and Congress, just as I think Obama could be flat out lying about Osama now.

There's so much at stake at that level. Bush already knew he had his second term, so why worry about it? This war has been HUGE business for defense contractors and major corporations like Halliburton. Seriously, go watch Food Inc... it illustrates the level of corruption in the FDA and even the Supreme Court in regards to the food industry. If the government is willing to lie to us about what we're eating, why wouldn't they lie to us about something like Osama being killed?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Thanks Sly, very good post.

All I kept thinking "coming soon to a theater near you..." The very best hollywood has to offer.

Drudge is always right! (pun intended) and he isn't reporting any crazy conspiracy theories.

 

[Natebishop3]

But you often see conservatives on these forums insulting others and using sarcasm, snark, etc. Surely you're not claiming that you don't use sarcasm and snark? That would be...an interesting claim.

Sure, SOME Democrats are hypocrites. So are SOME Republicans. Again, members of one party being more critical of the opposing party is hardly insightful. We all know that's the case. Why didn't the Tea Party spring up when Bush was increasing the deficit. Or when Reagan was? Because they knew that years later Obama would do more? Why are conservatives on this board up in arms about lack of transparency with Obama, but weren't creating daily threads about Bush when he was President?

Okay, you're not a member of the Republican party...but how come you've never authored long posts taking Republicans to task for hypocrisy?

Sure, I use snark and sarcasm all the time, but it's usually followed by a paragraph or two of actual content. You and barfo tend to post snark and leave it at that.

I think conservatives are up in arms about transparency with Obama because he fuckin ran under the auspice of transparency of government. It was one of his biggest points. Hell, didn't he even create an office in the WH specifically tasked for transparency? You don't think that's something he should be criticized over?

I guess I haven't written long posts about the Republicans because I haven't seen that many threads about Bush or the GOP lately.... but I stand up for Gay rights when the issue comes up and I'm certainly against the Patriot Act. I'm a equal opportunity conspiracy theorist.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

BTW has anyone seen or heard from Brandon Roy since the playoffs ended?

 

[Natebishop3]

BTW has anyone seen or heard from Brandon Roy since the playoffs ended?

You need meniscus to fast rope out of helicopters.... so I doubt he was one of the assaulters

 

[Minstrel]

Sure, I use snark and sarcasm all the time, but it's usually followed by a paragraph or two of actual content. You and barfo tend to post snark and leave it at that.

I don't mix them. Some posts are just snark and some are just content. I don't see why it's superior to mix them into the same posts. Not that that's bad either...I just don't see how that gives you a moral high ground.

I think conservatives are up in arms about transparency with Obama because he fuckin ran under the auspice of transparency of government. It was one of his biggest points. Hell, didn't he even create an office in the WH specifically tasked for transparency? You don't think that's something he should be criticized over?

Of course I do. As I said in my last post, I've criticized Obama over that very issue a couple of times recently. Those same conservatives were conspicuously silent when Bush was keeping one of the most closed, secretive administrations in history.

I guess I haven't written long posts about the Republicans because I haven't seen that many threads about Bush or the GOP lately....

You didn't write them back when Bush was President either. It was only a few years ago, you know. Not pre-web or even pre-this-community.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You need meniscus to fast rope out of helicopters.... so I doubt he was one of the assaulters

Good point!

And he probably would have tried to hog all the guns and kill Bin Laden by himself.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't mix them. Some posts are just snark and some are just content. I don't see why it's superior to mix them into the same posts. Not that that's bad either...I just don't see how that gives you a moral high ground.



Of course I do. As I said in my last post, I've criticized Obama over that very issue a couple of times recently. Those same conservatives were conspicuously silent when Bush was keeping one of the most closed, secretive administrations in history.



You didn't write them back when Bush was President either. It was only a few years ago, you know. Not pre-web or even pre-this-community.

We weren't on this forum back when Bushy was president. I wasn't active at all in the OT forum, and I was probably not nearly as active on the Blazers side either. I didn't like BBF much.