Politics The Postal Service, Voting, and Covid

[MickZagger]

Got it.

is that you admitting you got owned, or is that a ‘let’s change subject’ type owned?

 

[riverman]

Not everyone believes in the connection to COVID provisions.

You realize you'll have to throw away your mattress every month you rent your house out...probably replace the overstuffed chairs as well or sofas. That pesky virus can live in your eyebrows for weeks I hear!

 

[julius]

Not everyone believes in the connection to COVID provisions.

And those are the same idiots who thought this was a hoax to begin with, and not much different the average flu. So I'm not sure I think we should put much credo into their beliefs.

 

[ABM]

I have it figured out for everybody...that's why my life coaching sessions are so important ..24 lessons for 30K...I have the answers you seek!

 

[riverman]

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I could have fixed his problems too....wrong era

 

[ABM]

And those are the same idiots who thought this was a hoax to begin with, and not much different the average flu. So I'm not sure I think we should put much credo into their beliefs.

MIV and COVID? Hardly. I'm sure there are plenty of ways to conduct elections and social distancing. Again, we don't need stimulus monies earmarked towards the USPS. Believe what you'd like.

 

[julius]

MIV and COVID? Hardly. I'm sure there are plenty of ways to conduct elections and social distancing. Again, we don't need stimulus monies earmarked towards the USPS. Believe what you'd like.

Considering the idiot in charge is trying to gut the USPS, and you think he's the greatest thing ever, I'm not surprised you think it's perfectly OK that they're doing it to the USPS and are against any funding for it in this bill.

The view must be dark for you.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Considering the idiot in charge is trying to gut the USPS, and you think he's the greatest thing ever, I'm not surprised you think it's perfectly OK that they're doing it to the USPS and are against any funding for it in this bill.

The view must be dark for you.

Do you disagree with the idea of either massive reform in the USPS or dissolving it at some point for other options whether private or not?
I'm ok with the idea of either large changes or dissolving it for other options.

I'm not ok with using it for anyone's re-election purposes.
edit: I realize that Trump is using it right now for his own purposes, not because he has any good plans for how to replace the service it provides, and I don't like that.

 

[julius]

Do you disagree with the idea of either massive reform in the USPS or dissolving it at some point for other options whether private or not?

Not in favor of privatizing it, in favor of reforming it, including the unrealistic standard set for the retirement funding.

I'm ok with the idea of either large changes or dissolving it for other options.

I'm not ok with using it for anyone's re-election purposes.

I would hope that most Republicans/conservatives would actually be against a leader doing what Trump does, including almost outright saying that he's doing this to help him win re-election.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Not in favor of privatizing it, in favor of reforming it, including the unrealistic standard set for the retirement funding.



I would hope that most Republicans/conservatives would actually be against a leader doing what Trump does, including almost outright saying that he's doing this to help him win re-election.

Im sure to some extent all presidents have wielded there power to some extent to help their re-election purposes. No president that I can think of has taken it anywhere close to as far as the current one. Which is a very bad precedent that, when a Democrat decides to do similar things when the time comes, you can bet republicans will react similarly to how democrats are now. Its a very bad precedent not a fan of it at all.

I think the ‘mail’ is somewhat out dated. It still provides a good service, but I think part of it could be privatized, and parts of it could be streamlined to be better and more effective.
Just like with Police Reform, Teacher Reform, or any reform of a major government system that people rely upon if reform is going to happen it needs to be well planned out, and well thought out.
Making massive changes to a system people rely upon for the purpose of re-electing yourself, seems irresponsible.

 

[Minstrel]

Electronic voting w/ 2fa and SSN?

Oh man. If people think mail-in voting is fraudulent, they'll flip out over voting online. That said, I don't think very many Republicans actually believe mail-in voting is fraudulent--they know (and have admitted once in a while) that more people voting is worse for them. That's why they almost universally oppose measures to make voting easier.

I think secure voting online would be fine. We already have hackable voting machines, so it's not like we don't already live under the specter of hacking.

 

[julius]

Oh man. If people think mail-in voting is fraudulent, they'll flip out over voting online. That said, I don't think very many Republicans actually believe mail-in voting is fraudulent--they know (and have admitted once in a while) that more people voting is worse for them. That's why they almost universally oppose measures to make voting easier.

I think secure voting online would be fine. We already have hackable voting machines, so it's not like we don't already live under the specter of hacking.

It's funny how they come up with such fake sounding reasons why mail in voting is bad. Rusher, Chiner, and other countries will come up with fake ballots (project much??) ..but they're perfectly fine with the voting machines.

Look at Oregon, they've had literally 20+ years of vote by mail and the # of fraudulent cases is minuscule and the only issues that might come up are explicitly caused by the shit Trump is doing to the USPS.

Almost as if he's doing that on purpose to poison the well...no, he'd never do that.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Oh man. If people think mail-in voting is fraudulent, they'll flip out over voting online. That said, I don't think very many Republicans actually believe mail-in voting is fraudulent--they know (and have admitted once in a while) that more people voting is worse for them. That's why they almost universally oppose measures to make voting easier.

I think secure voting online would be fine. We already have hackable voting machines, so it's not like we don't already live under the specter of hacking.

There’s no such thing as the ‘perfect fix’ for secure voting. Was just throwing out the idea because of COVID, and as a nerd I like the idea of online voting with enough safe guards and such to try to make it secure.
I think there is cheating and voter fraud with in-person or mail in voting. Im not sure how much, but I think it happens, and will probably always happen.

 

[Lanny]

I'm wondering why monies earmarked for the implementation/expansion of mail-in voting capabilities belongs in a coronavirus stimulus bill?

Mail in voting protects people from Covid-19. This is something our government would normally be concerned with if they knew their asses from holes in the ground.

 

[Lanny]

There’s no such thing as the ‘perfect fix’ for secure voting. Was just throwing out the idea because of COVID, and as a nerd I like the idea of online voting with enough safe guards and such to try to make it secure.
I think there is cheating and voter fraud with in-person or mail in voting. Im not sure how much, but I think it happens, and will probably always happen.

When looking at any kind of cheating you have to look at the incentive. There is just no incentive to take a chance on some real jail time to add a vote or two for your candidate. Add to that all the fraud in illegal voting they've found in the last 20 years, slim to none. Where's the problem?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

When looking at any kind of cheating you have to look at the incentive. There is just no incentive to take a chance on some real jail time to add a vote or two for your candidate. Add to that all the fraud in illegal voting they've found in the last 20 years, slim to none. Where's the problem?

There is voter fraud, both in mail and in-person. The incentive is power / getting your way.
https://justthenews.com/politics-po...there-voter-fraud-these-recent-cases-prove-it
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/...dium=cpc&utm_id=chacka&utm_campaign=TWT+-+DSA


Might not be big, might be bigger than what they tell us I dont know, but the incentive is pretty obvious...

 

[SlyPokerDog]

There is voter fraud, both in mail and in-person. The incentive is power / getting your way.
https://justthenews.com/politics-po...there-voter-fraud-these-recent-cases-prove-it
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/31/election-fraud-is-no-myth/?utm_source=GOOGLE&utm_medium=cpc&utm_id=chacka&utm_campaign=TWT - DSA


Might not be big, might be bigger than what they tell us I dont know, but the incentive is pretty obvious...

Of all the things you can go to prison for, getting a couple extra votes for one election would be pretty low on my list.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Of all the things you can go to prison for, getting a couple extra votes for one election would be pretty low on my list.

People have chosen dumber things to do.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

People have chosen dumber things to do.

Go for it! I won't tell.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Go for it! I won't tell.

I mean even if you did I'm not sure the competence of the US would be capable of proving it.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I mean even if you did I'm not sure the competence of the US would be capable of proving it.

I believe in you!

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I believe in you!

Well if I made Trump win and got caught he'd just pardon me, guess there's that.

 

[ABM]

Considering the idiot in charge is trying to gut the USPS, and you think he's the greatest thing ever, I'm not surprised you think it's perfectly OK that they're doing it to the USPS and are against any funding for it in this bill.

The view must be dark for you.

All I said was, I think the USPS can be funded by other means. You're simply not listening.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Strenuus]

All I said was, I think the USPS can be funded by other means. You're simply not listening.

Then why isnt it?

Oh, that's right....

 

[julius]

All I said was, I think the USPS can be funded by other means. You're simply not listening.

You do realize the USPS receives ZERO tax dollars, right? (https://facts.usps.com/top-facts/)

They are 100% self funded. So where exactly are they to receive this other funding?

Because you see, they already receive it from the sale of stamps. You know, other means.

You also realize that a big reason why the USPS loses money is because they were forced to pre-fund their retirement plans for 75 years, right? A plan that was forced on them by a Republican lead congress, and signed by a Republican President.

Also, having a Republican President sabotage their business (Trump), in a glorified ponzi scheme?

Because I'm starting to think you don't know any of these facts, and just repeat misinformation about it because you think it make you sound fiscally smart and also gives you another opportunity to rationalize your love for all things Donald Trump.

Try to educate yourself on stuff. Please.

https://www.nonprofitmailers.org/four-usps-myths/

 

[crandc]

Mail in voting protects people from Covid-19. This is something our government would normally be concerned with if they knew their asses from holes in the ground.

They do. It's not stupidity, it's deliberate voter suppression. And if disabled vets can't get meds, seniors can't get social security checks, businesses can't get orders to customers, collateral damage. D

 

[ABM]

You do realize the USPS receives ZERO tax dollars, right? (https://facts.usps.com/top-facts/)

They are 100% self funded. So where exactly are they to receive this other funding?

Because you see, they already receive it from the sale of stamps. You know, other means.

You also realize that a big reason why the USPS loses money is because they were forced to pre-fund their retirement plans for 75 years, right? A plan that was forced on them by a Republican lead congress, and signed by a Republican President.

Also, having a Republican President sabotage their business (Trump), in a glorified ponzi scheme?

Because I'm starting to think you don't know any of these facts, and just repeat misinformation about it because you think it make you sound fiscally smart and also gives you another opportunity to rationalize your love for all things Donald Trump.

Try to educate yourself on stuff. Please.

https://www.nonprofitmailers.org/four-usps-myths/

Nice stab, but doesn't change my opinion in any way regarding adding USPS funding to a stimulus bill. The USPS has operated for eons, and will continue to do so. Moreover, voting could be handled in a way to include social distancing. There's plenty of time to accomplish that. Like most things these days, this has become a political stunt by the dems in their hatred for Trump.

Try not to insult me. Please.

 

[julius]

Nice stab, but doesn't change my opinion in any way regarding adding USPS funding to a stimulus bill. The USPS has operated for eons, and will continue to do so. Moreover, voting could be handled in a way to include social distancing. There's plenty of time to accomplish that. Like most things these days, this has become a political stunt by the dems in their hatred for Trump.

Try not to insult me. Please.

"you're simply not listening".

 

[Lanny]

There is voter fraud, both in mail and in-person. The incentive is power / getting your way.
https://justthenews.com/politics-po...there-voter-fraud-these-recent-cases-prove-it
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/31/election-fraud-is-no-myth/?utm_source=GOOGLE&utm_medium=cpc&utm_id=chacka&utm_campaign=TWT - DSA


Might not be big, might be bigger than what they tell us I dont know, but the incentive is pretty obvious...

Look at it another way. Which would tempt you more, a bundle of $100 dollar bills lying on a busy street or slipping an extra vote in for your man? In the first case the temptation is obvious. In the second case I see no temptation whatsoever. of course, that's just the common sense approach and there may be other approaches where common sense doesn't apply. I think it's more appropriate to let our far Right friends think of other approaches that defy common sense.