The remaining waste trade

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I've mentioned the players in both of these trades in other threads, but I found a way to acquire all of them with remaining spare parts we have left sitting around and thought I'd throw them in one thread. Strangely enough they're fair trades.

NJ and Chicago - Simmons, KVH, Hassell and Ager for Nocioni and Hughes. Have to wait until 8/25 for this one now because of Simmons. Early version of this could've been done as two simultaneous trades, but since Swift is removed it can't be done that way anymore. Chicago saves $5mm this season, $6.3mm next season and $25mm over the next 4 years and can re-sign Gordon. They also get back-ups for Gordon and Deng in Simmons, Hassell and Ager.

NJ and Indiana - Swift and Sean Williams for Foster, Diener and a pick. We need a 3rd center and pg. I rather not trade Sean, but if management has made up their mind to move him at least we fill some holes with solid guys and get a pick. Indiana picks up needed front court help and alleviates a log jam at PG.

We trade all that suspect talent for Andres Nocioni, Larry Hughes, Jeff Foster, and Travis Diener. We'll have about $18mm in cap space in 2010.

Potential lineup:
PG: Harris/Dooling/Diener
SG: Carter/Hughes/(Carroll or Hodge)
SF: Nocioni/CDR/Hayes
PF: Yi/Najera/Anderson
C: Boone/Lopez/Foster

Definitely would have a very competitive team that plays solid defense and plays with energy. Couldn't ask for a better environment for the young guys.
Thought of trying to pull off both trades and figured I'd post it for fun.

 

[pegs]

That's a lot of trash to be trading Sean away for. I'd rather keep Swift and Sean than trade them for more "waste".

 

[cpawfan]

Foster would be the Nets best Center, not the 3rd stringer

Getting a first and Foster for Sean and Stro is dreaming

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Aug 4 2008, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Indiana picks up needed front court help and alleviates a log jam at PG.</div>

Indiana doesn't pick up front court help by trading away Foster. They take a big step backwards.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 4 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's a lot of trash to be trading Sean away for. I'd rather keep Swift and Sean than trade them for more "waste".</div>
I'd rather keep him, but if management is resigned to cash out while he still has value and clean out the log jam at PF then that wouldn't be a bad trade.

It's about the pick... gaining Foster and Diener helps plug some holes.

To be quite honest I don't think Indy would even go for it. I think they value Foster and rather trade Tinsley than Diener. So also adding a pick to gain Sean probably won't appeal to them.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Aug 4 2008, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Foster would be the Nets best Center, not the 3rd stringer

Getting a first and Foster for Sean and Stro is dreaming</div>
Not sure about Foster being the best center, but yeah I agree it's a tough one.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Aug 4 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 4 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's a lot of trash to be trading Sean away for. I'd rather keep Swift and Sean than trade them for more "waste".</div>
I'd rather keep him, but if management is resigned to cash out while he still has value and clean out the log jam at PF then that wouldn't be a bad trade.

It's about the pick... gaining Foster and Diener helps plug some holes.

To be quite honest I don't think Indy would even go for it. I think they value Foster and rather trade Tinsley than Diener. So also adding a pick to gain Sean probably won't appeal to them.
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I think Roddy would have better luck tricking another GM into thinking Sean's the next amare

 

[Denny Crane]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Aug 4 2008, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Aug 4 2008, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Foster would be the Nets best Center, not the 3rd stringer

Getting a first and Foster for Sean and Stro is dreaming</div>
Not sure about Foster being the best center, but yeah I agree it's a tough one.
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Foster would be the Nets' best center in a decade, hands down. He's not been a starter though, so it's a tough call to say he'd be the full-time starter for the Nets.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 4 2008, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Aug 4 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 4 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's a lot of trash to be trading Sean away for. I'd rather keep Swift and Sean than trade them for more "waste".</div>
I'd rather keep him, but if management is resigned to cash out while he still has value and clean out the log jam at PF then that wouldn't be a bad trade.

It's about the pick... gaining Foster and Diener helps plug some holes.

To be quite honest I don't think Indy would even go for it. I think they value Foster and rather trade Tinsley than Diener. So also adding a pick to gain Sean probably won't appeal to them.
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I think Roddy would have better luck tricking another GM into thinking Sean's the next amare

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You're confusing me Peg. Is it "a lot of trash" for Sean or is it asking for too much?

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Aug 4 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Aug 4 2008, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Foster would be the Nets best Center, not the 3rd stringer

Getting a first and Foster for Sean and Stro is dreaming</div>
Not sure about Foster being the best center, but yeah I agree it's a tough one.
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Foster would be the best rebounder and best defender at the position.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Aug 4 2008, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Aug 4 2008, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Foster would be the Nets best Center, not the 3rd stringer

Getting a first and Foster for Sean and Stro is dreaming</div>
Not sure about Foster being the best center, but yeah I agree it's a tough one.
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Foster would be the Nets' best center in a decade, hands down. He's not been a starter though, so it's a tough call to say he'd be the full-time starter for the Nets.
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No, a healthy Krstic, Todd Mac, Deke and Zo were all better when they were on the Nets

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Aug 4 2008, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Aug 4 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Aug 4 2008, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Foster would be the Nets best Center, not the 3rd stringer

Getting a first and Foster for Sean and Stro is dreaming</div>
Not sure about Foster being the best center, but yeah I agree it's a tough one.
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Foster would be the best rebounder and best defender at the position.
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2 years ago I'd agree, but I think Boone would be pretty comparable next season. Based on what they've done up to this point I'd say you're correct.

I have to admit I didn't watch a lot of Foster last season, but the four times I saw him play the Nets he wasn't the Foster I remember.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Aug 4 2008, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 4 2008, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Aug 4 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 4 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's a lot of trash to be trading Sean away for. I'd rather keep Swift and Sean than trade them for more "waste".</div>
I'd rather keep him, but if management is resigned to cash out while he still has value and clean out the log jam at PF then that wouldn't be a bad trade.

It's about the pick... gaining Foster and Diener helps plug some holes.

To be quite honest I don't think Indy would even go for it. I think they value Foster and rather trade Tinsley than Diener. So also adding a pick to gain Sean probably won't appeal to them.
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I think Roddy would have better luck tricking another GM into thinking Sean's the next amare

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You're confusing me Peg. Is it "a lot of trash" for Sean or is it asking for too much?
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It seems like a lot of trash to me. We get Diener, who's pretty bad. We'd get Foster, who quite frankly, I don't think we'd really have a need for. He's only got 1 year on the contract anyways, and I don't see the point in the one-year rental. Might as well keep Swift, if that's the case.

I think it'd be smarter getting a young, talented point guard (in a trade with Memphis?) for Sean...if we were to trade him at all.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 4 2008, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It seems like a lot of trash to me. We get Diener, who's pretty bad. We'd get Foster, who quite frankly, I don't think we'd really have a need for. He's only got 1 year on the contract anyways, and I don't see the point in the one-year rental. Might as well keep Swift, if that's the case.

I think it'd be smarter getting a young, talented point guard (in a trade with Memphis?) for Sean...if we were to trade him at all.</div>
You don't see an upgrade of Foster over Swift? Seriously?

I agree about Sean. I'd rather trade him for Crittenton or Lowry if I could. Not sure that's an option.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Aug 4 2008, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 4 2008, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It seems like a lot of trash to me. We get Diener, who's pretty bad. We'd get Foster, who quite frankly, I don't think we'd really have a need for. He's only got 1 year on the contract anyways, and I don't see the point in the one-year rental. Might as well keep Swift, if that's the case.

I think it'd be smarter getting a young, talented point guard (in a trade with Memphis?) for Sean...if we were to trade him at all.</div>
You don't see an upgrade of Foster over Swift? Seriously?

I agree about Sean. I'd rather trade him for Crittenton or Lowry if I could. Not sure that's an option.
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Of course there's an upgrade there.

I just don't see the point in renting Foster for a year. It's not like we're planning on making the playoffs, and we'd be much better off giving the young players a chance.

 

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I remember Foster not playing very well against the Nets so I went back and did a quick glance at the stats. Since I would think he would mostly match-up with Boone on both ends I thought I'd look at their stats. They split the series 2-2.

Boone: 29.3 mpg, 15.5 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 4 blocks and only 5 fouls in the series.
Foster: 20.2 mpg, 5.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, no blocks and 15 fouls in the series.

I know these head-to-head stat comparisons don't mean evertyhing, but Boone played surprisingly well against Indiana.

I think both Boone and Lopez could learn a lot from Foster.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 4 2008, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Of course there's an upgrade there.

I just don't see the point in renting Foster for a year. It's not like we're planning on making the playoffs, and we'd be much better off giving the young players a chance.</div>
They're going to carry a 3rd center no matter what so it might as well be someone that can help Boone and Lopez than be a lump on the bench. If he can be had reasonably he'd be a good addition, but the more I think about it I think Indy hangs on to him for the same reason with Hibbert coming in.

If it could be done I'd rather do Sean for Crittenton and Swift to Minny for Collins. At least Collins can help teach the bigs where they need to be on the defensive end. I just want Swift gone and someone that can help maximize Boone, Lopez and Yi.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Aug 4 2008, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I remember Foster not playing very well against the Nets so I went back and did a quick glance at the stats. Since I would think he would mostly match-up with Boone on both ends I thought I'd look at their stats. They split the series 2-2.

Boone: 29.3 mpg, 15.5 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 4 blocks and only 5 fouls in the series.
Foster: 20.2 mpg, 5.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, no blocks and 15 fouls in the series.

I know these head-to-head stat comparisons don't mean evertyhing, but Boone played surprisingly well against Indiana.

I think both Boone and Lopez could learn a lot from Foster.</div>

To be fair to Foster, the 1st game: 10 points, 14 rebounds, 4 assists, WIN
...and Boone: 2 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, LOSS

From there on out, Boone owned.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Aug 4 2008, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 4 2008, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Of course there's an upgrade there.

I just don't see the point in renting Foster for a year. It's not like we're planning on making the playoffs, and we'd be much better off giving the young players a chance.</div>
They're going to carry a 3rd center no matter what so it might as well be someone that can help Boone and Lopez than be a lump on the bench. If he can be had reasonably he'd be a good addition, but the more I think about it I think Indy hangs on to him for the same reason with Hibbert coming in.

If it could be done I'd rather do Sean for Crittenton and Swift to Minny for Collins. At least Collins can help teach the bigs where they need to be on the defensive end. I just want Swift gone and someone that can help maximize Boone, Lopez and Yi.
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That would be a better deal, because there's an extremely good chance that one way or another, Collins will likely stay with the team beyond this upcoming season.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 4 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>To be fair to Foster, the 1st game: 10 points, 14 rebounds, 4 assists, WIN
...and Boone: 2 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, LOSS

From there on out, Boone owned.</div>
Oh yeah. Once you remove that first game the stats look like this:
Foster: 17.7 mpg, 3.7 ppg, 5.3 rpg, and a total of 0 blocks and 12 fouls in 3 games.
Boone: 32.1 mpg, 20 ppg, 11.7 rpg, and a total of 4 blocks and 5 fouls in 3 games.

Definite ownage. If Boone could play an entire season against Indiana he'd be an all-star.

 

[downunderwonder]

Well wanna get rid of waste and pick up some quality? It'll take maybe both picks gained in trade (Dallas and GS) but I think it could work.

Wilcox+Ridnour for Van Horn, Hassell, Swift, Sean and picks.

OKC are really going to suck this year but freeing up time for Westbrook and getting a more athletic front line might help. Either way they could cut Swift and Van Horn and just take the picks.

We get Wilcox in a contract year. Always a plus. Ridnour would be a good option for 2/3PG. Sure we ship the picks but we do end up with a better side...

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Aug 4 2008, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well wanna get rid of waste and pick up some quality? It'll take maybe both picks gained in trade (Dallas and GS) but I think it could work.

Wilcox+Ridnour for Van Horn, Hassell, Swift, Sean and picks.

OKC are really going to suck this year but freeing up time for Westbrook and getting a more athletic front line might help. Either way they could cut Swift and Van Horn and just take the picks.

We get Wilcox in a contract year. Always a plus. Ridnour would be a good option for 2/3PG. Sure we ship the picks but we do end up with a better side...</div>
Picking up Wilcox just further complicates our PF rotation. Plus, two 1st rounders and Sean to rent Wilcox for a year and a back-up PG seems a bit excessive.

 

[BIGMOE15]

for this to happen b4 aug 25 this would get the deal done ASAP!

1st trade:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trad...p;te=&cash=

2nd trade:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trad...p;te=&cash=

then just buyout aaron gray

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

You don't cut the next Tim Duncan (Aaron Gray)

 

[BIGMOE15]

i guess dont cut him lol

 

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Got another one. 3-way with NJ-Chicago-Portland

To NJ: Hughes and LaFrentz
To Chicago: Simmons, KVH, Webster, Frye
To Portland: Nocioni, Swift, Ager

Can actually be done as 2 separate trades if you just isolate Simmons for Hughes.

Move Carter to SF and start Hughes in the backcourt. Hayes backs up the 3 and CDR the 2. LaFrentz is 3rd string center.

In a separate trade the Nets can try and move Swat for Crittenton or Lowry.

C: Lopez/Boone/LaFrentz
PF: Najera/Yi/Anderson
SF: Carter/Hayes/Hassell
SG: Hughes/CDR/Hodge
PG: Harris/Dooling/Crittenton (or Lowry)

Portland gets Nocioni to man the 3. Chicago saves money to re-sign Gordon and gets quality back-ups. NJ gets a proven scorer, ballhandler and defender to help take pressure off VC and Harris.

 

[danxcr]

and the nets get lafrentz to come off the books after this season ^^

 

[pegs]

I'm not down with Hughes at all. I'd rather have Webster than Hughes.

I don't really see how this improves us all that much...other than getting rid of Swift.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 11 2008, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not down with Hughes at all. I'd rather have Webster than Hughes.

I don't really see how this improves us all that much...other than getting rid of Swift.</div>
Hughes is a much better defender, ballhandler and scorer than Simmons and his contract is the same length.

Basically it's a way to replace Simmons with Hughes without impacting the plan for 2010. Both are a potential injury liabilty. Also gives much more flexibility with lineups. Harris, Carter, Hughes, and Dooling can all create and with our bigs that is a necessity.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Aug 11 2008, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 11 2008, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not down with Hughes at all. I'd rather have Webster than Hughes.

I don't really see how this improves us all that much...other than getting rid of Swift.</div>
Hughes is a much better defender, ballhandler and scorer than Simmons and his contract is the same length.

Basically it's a way to replace Simmons with Hughes without impacting the plan for 2010. Both are a potential injury liabilty. Also gives much more flexibility with lineups. Harris, Carter, Hughes, and Dooling can all create and with our bigs that is a necessity.
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I see Hughes as more of a locker room cancer.

I also remember seeing him in the playoffs the season before last. He wasn't that great of a defender. He just steals good.

He also doesn't seem to fit the sort of mentality it seems Thorn, Kiki, and Frank are trying to build with this team - hardworking, winning players who enforce good team chemistry.

The thing about him and Simmons is that they both have shitty contracts. It's just that with Simmons' contract being shorter, his is less shitty and therefore more appealing. And if the "plan" for 2010 is still to get Lebron, well, I don't think he'd be all that excited to have Hughes on his team again.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I'm sorry but no way Portland does this trade.