Politics The Scorching of California

[Denny Crane]

http://city-journal.org/2015/25_1_california-drought.html

The Scorching of California

How Green extremists made a bad drought worse

(It's not all that partisan, in spite of the anger in the title. Its a thorough explanation of how past generations built a robust water supply and how that has been dismantled over time in the name of environmentalism.)

 

[MarAzul]

Ha! "When Stanford professors and Cupertino tech lords cannot take a shower!" Won't that be a bitch!
Lived there for 14 years, Never could understand the liberal tendencies of most of those people It is almost like some very smart people just are missing some crucial parts.
They are indeed members of the a new class emerging, the New Clerisy. Highly educated with half an education.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yeah, its gonna be a scorching 80 degrees at the beach tomorrow. Suck it! :MARIS61:

 

[MarAzul]

Yeah, its gonna be a scorching 80 degrees at the beach tomorrow. Suck it! :MARIS61:

No drought here. Damn, It's wet!

 

[donkiez]

No drought here. Damn, It's wet!

Dont get to excited, its not the rain we need this time of year.

http://www.capitalpress.com/Oregon/...ints-a-dry-summer-for-irrigators-and-wildlife

 

[jlprk]

In the 60s, scientists told us DDT was killing the birds, we changed pesticides.

In the 70s, scientists told us we needed to remove lead from gasoline and we did.

In the 80s, scientists told us about a hole in the ozone and we reformulated refrigerants and propellants.

None of these things were decried as hoaxes or were politically divisive. We adjusted and moved on. Now, did our scientists get stupid or did "we"?

 

[Denny Crane]

In the 60s, scientists told us DDT was killing the birds, we changed pesticides.

In the 70s, scientists told us we needed to remove lead from gasoline and we did.

In the 80s, scientists told us about a hole in the ozone and we reformulated refrigerants and propellants.

None of these things were decried as hoaxes or were politically divisive. We adjusted and moved on. Now, did our scientists get stupid or did "we"?

Even if the scientists didn't have conclusive evidence, none of those adjustments involved going back to the stone age. The cost was $billions, not hundreds of $trillions.

 

[jlprk]

Yet you opposed me when I advocated getting cost estimates for climate change options.

Now you seem to have those numbers, which no one else has.

Hiding numbers (reminds me of the 2 million dead in Iraq) seems to be the main tactic to ensure Republican Luddism.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yet you opposed me when I advocated getting cost estimates for climate change options.

Now you seem to have those numbers, which no one else has.

Hiding numbers (reminds me of the 2 million dead in Iraq) seems to be the main tactic to ensure Republican Luddism.

Do tell how much it's going to cost.

Will I still have lights at my house at night to read by at night?

 

[jlprk]

I don't know what it would cost. Neither do you. That's the point.

A few months ago, I asked merely to allow the U.S. government to form an expert panel to estimate potential costs for each option, so that the country could have a more informed debate, but you were deadset against it. Better to keep the discussion level in the Stone Age.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't know what it would cost. Neither do you. That's the point.

A few months ago, I asked merely to allow the U.S. government to form an expert panel to estimate potential costs for each option, so that the country could have a more informed debate, but you were deadset against it. Better to keep the discussion level in the Stone Age.

I know it will cost $trillions.

You would turn off every coal fired power plant everywhere. How much does it cost to replace those?

How much to get rid of the 250M cars in the USA alone?

I don't have to know the exact cost to know it's TOO DAMNED MUCH.

 

[blue32]

It's so scorching down there in that shit hole that a ton of them are continually moving up here. God help us all.

 

[Denny Crane]

It's so scorching that Boston is buried in snow.

 

[jlprk]

It's so scorching that Boston is buried in snow.

Were you sick the week your 4th grade teacher taught the concept of "average"?

 

[Denny Crane]

Were you sick the week your 4th grade teacher taught the concept of "average"?

Nope.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Not so scorching today.

 

[Denny Crane]

Wait until spring. There will be signs of global warming everywhere in the northern hemisphere.

 

[riverman]

I love Oregon, let's just hope Canada doesn't dam up al the rivers that feed the country like we did to Northern Mexico...which is now a desert. I read somewhere a long while back that golf courses in California and Arizona sucked up an amazing amount of the watershed..might want to rethink that practice. Israel has used deslination plants to deal with water shortages but Californians think it'll ruin the view from the beach...choices eh? Last time I checked, both liberals and conservatives owned beach front property, played golf and watered their lawns with elaborate sprinkler systems. Why global warning is a polital debate has always baffled me unless you just hated Al Gore's movie

 

[jlprk]

How come when you're funny, you always leave out the period? You could just end with an ellipse...

 

[magnifier661]

Liberals are just stupid in California. It's the truth

 

[Denny Crane]

I love Oregon, let's just hope Canada doesn't dam up al the rivers that feed the country like we did to Northern Mexico...which is now a desert. I read somewhere a long while back that golf courses in California and Arizona sucked up an amazing amount of the watershed..might want to rethink that practice. Israel has used deslination plants to deal with water shortages but Californians think it'll ruin the view from the beach...choices eh? Last time I checked, both liberals and conservatives owned beach front property, played golf and watered their lawns with elaborate sprinkler systems. Why global warning is a polital debate has always baffled me unless you just hated Al Gore's movie

California's water shortage is man made. Industrious people of prior generations built a nice water supply system that's been dismantled over time in the name of the ecology. Now instead of fresh water flowing into reservoirs, it's dumped to sea.

Last year, enough fresh water was dumped into the ocean, deliberately, to cover the entire state in several inches of water.

From the local newspaper here in San Diego:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/28/save-the-delta-smelt/

 

[riverman]

California's water shortage is man made. Industrious people of prior generations built a nice water supply system that's been dismantled over time in the name of the ecology. Now instead of fresh water flowing into reservoirs, it's dumped to sea.

Last year, enough fresh water was dumped into the ocean, deliberately, to cover the entire state in several inches of water.

From the local newspaper here in San Diego:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/28/save-the-delta-smelt/

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interesting article. I just never thought the canal from Mammoth Lake that travels to southern California was such a great water system. If they are draining water into the ocean, why drain lakes in Northern Cal to send down the state?

 

[riverman]

I don't know the current state of Californias watershed or distribution system but my kids and grandchildren that have lived in San Diego almost all of their lives all say it's getting hotter than ever down there.

 

[MarAzul]

If Al Gore and his brilliant followers had their say and way back in history, could they have saved the major glaciers covering our northern states and most of all, the beautiful Lake Columbia? Which went all the way down past Eugene.

Probably not, there wasn't anyone in North America to pay the friggin carbon tax. But Hey, they could have stiffled Henry Ford and the Rest of the USA.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't know the current state of Californias watershed or distribution system but my kids and grandchildren that have lived in San Diego almost all of their lives all say it's getting hotter than ever down there.

https://www.climatestations.com/san-diego/

 

[Denny Crane]

jlprk gave me a laugh a few weeks back, talking about how the leaves don't go away anymore since 1980 and how he wears a t-shirt in the winter which he couldn't do in 1980. So I went and looked at a similar weather data site and fought that 1965 was just as hot in Oregon as today.

hotter? my ass.

 

[jlprk]

jlprk gave me a laugh a few weeks back, talking about how the leaves don't go away anymore since 1980 and how he wears a t-shirt in the winter which he couldn't do in 1980. So I went and looked at a similar weather data site and fought that 1965 was just as hot in Oregon as today.

hotter? my ass.

I moved to Bellingham in 1974, and those 41 years are what I compared to now. As for Oregon in 1965, you wouldn't have picked an outlier year, would you? How'd you pick 1965?

You really shouldn't have missed the week in 4th grade when they taught you the concept of averaging.

And keep your hot ass out of this.

 

[MarAzul]

If Al Gore and his brilliant followers had their say and way back in history, could they have saved the major glaciers covering our northern states and most of all, the beautiful Lake Columbia? Which went all the way down past Eugene.

Probably not, there wasn't anyone in North America to pay the friggin carbon tax. But Hey, they could have stiffled Henry Ford and the Rest of the USA.

Wait a minute! If a carbon tax wouldn't stop the Glaciers from melting and the oceans from rising when there wasn't anyone to pay the tax, why will it work when they are lots of people to pay the tax?

 

[Denny Crane]

I moved to Bellingham in 1974, and those 41 years are what I compared to now. As for Oregon in 1965, you wouldn't have picked an outlier year, would you? How'd you pick 1965?

You really shouldn't have missed the week in 4th grade when they taught you the concept of averaging.

And keep your hot ass out of this.

I picked bellingham because you said that's where you live. I got the weather data for bellingham.

I randomly picked 1965 from prior years to see if there is some warming trend that's gone from snow and decaying leaves to hot and no decay.

No dice.

You know, if you massage the data using something better than average (average of what? ) you can get the outcome you guys desire.

They sky is falling, chicken little.

 

[jlprk]

I picked bellingham because you said that's where you live. I got the weather data for bellingham.

Your story is that you looked up the weather in Bellingham, Oregon?