The Strange Silence on the Zach Collins Front

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Writing on the wall wrt Zach after this Kanter news
 
illmatic99 said:
Writing on the wall wrt Zach after this Kanter news
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Not sure how you're seeing that. It sounds like they knew Zach wouldn't be ready by season-start, which is why they made a deal for a competent backup center. That doesn't mean he's gone.

But I do think they should start fielding offers for Zach with his impending free agency. He's clearly better as a center, but he's not better than Nurkic.
 
B-Roy said:
Not sure how you're seeing that. It sounds like they knew Zach wouldn't be ready by season-start, which is why they made a deal for a competent backup center. That doesn't mean he's gone.

But I do think they should start fielding offers for Zach with his impending free agency. He's clearly better as a center, but he's not better than Nurkic.
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I didn't mean that he's gone, just that his return might be delayed.
 
Yes! This was one of my biggest hopes for the offseason. Kanter was awesome for us. Can we just have one god damn healthy season?
 
Quick article in The Athletic. This quote pretty much sums up the article:

“I’m not sure when I’ll be able to fully participate,” Collins said Saturday. “Recovery has been great, though. I haven’t had any setbacks.”
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Here are a few others:

Collins, who turned 23 on Thursday, said his rehabilitation has evolved to ball handling and shooting drills.

“The days when I push the ankle and really test it, it responds really well,” Collins said. “I’ve been very happy with the process.”

“I’m going to come back when I’m ready,” Collins said. “I’ll leave it at that.”/QUOTE]
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If it was good news and Collins could go, there would have been something.

The Portland Dr's missed it (again) when it initially happened, and it developed into something worse and became a stress issue. That type of injury is tricky and can take a long time to heal and may be susceptible to causing issues in the future.

I'd be surprised to see Colling before late January.
 
Boise Blazer said:
Quick article in The Athletic. This quote pretty much sums up the article:



Here are a few others:
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Not so strange or quiet anymore I guess. He's just now starting to take shots so he's a ways off. He won't be ready to go for training camp or the start of the season and the guys in here predicting him returning some time in January seem to have been spot on but we'll just have to wait and see.
 
I think January is realistic especially if already pushing off on it with no I'll effects this tells more about close he is. Shooting just tell me can take shots to keep that part of the game sharp. But the key will be the jumping part of the game.
 
seems like Nurkic was doing last Dec/Jan what Zach is doing now and Nurkic still was a ways away from returning on March 10 when the season was postponed. Different injuries obviously, but just because he's working out doesn't mean he's just weeks away from playing. Could be months
 
B-Roy said:
https://theathletic.com/2213588/2020/11/22/blazers-zach-collins-injury-return/

Anyone have the athletic?
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I got it for free from Tmobile for a yr. If you have TM, google to see if that promo still exists. Been pretty damn good.

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The Blazers’ starting power forward from opening night last season said his recovery is on target, but the 7-footer doesn’t want to put a timeline on when he will be back on the court. Collins had surgery to repair a hairline fracture in a malleolus on Sept. 1.

“I’m not sure when I’ll be able to fully participate,” Collins said Saturday. “Recovery has been great, though. I haven’t had any setbacks.”

Collins, who turned 23 on Thursday, said his rehabilitation has evolved to ball handling and shooting drills.

“The days when I push the ankle and really test it, it responds really well,” Collins said. “I’ve been very happy with the process.”

The Blazers’ offseason has created enough depth in the post to take pressure off Collins. Portland traded for forward Robert Covington on Tuesday, traded for center Enes Kanter on Friday and re-signed Carmelo Anthony on Saturday. The Blazers also signed free-agent forwards Rodney Hood and Derrick Jones Jr.

The Blazers are scheduled to starting training camp the first week of December, and the NBA is scheduled to open Dec. 22.

“I’m going to come back when I’m ready,” Collins said. “I’ll leave it at that.”

Collins is one of the Blazers’ best defenders, and his ability to play inside and outside on offense, combined with his toughness, has made him one of the Blazers’ most valued young players. However, he has struggled with injuries big and small throughout his career.

Collins, the No. 10 pick in 2017, had a nightmare 2019-20 season. After playing a reserve role his first two seasons, Collins became a starter in his third season after the Blazers let Al-Farouq Aminu leave for Orlando in free agency. But in the season’s third game, Collins separated his left shoulder at Dallas. He had surgery in November and didn’t return until July, when the NBA season resumed in Orlando. He started all eight games in the bubble — and the play-in game against Memphis — and averaged 6.3 points and 7.1 rebounds. But in the fifth game against the Clippers, he felt pain in his left foot, which he tried to play through in the last three games before taking himself out of the do-or-die game against the Grizzlies after playing only seven minutes.

A series of tests revealed the hairline fracture, and after leaving the bubble, he had surgery on Sept. 1.

Now, with a revamped roster that is stocked with bigs, Collins doesn’t have to rush his return.
 
illmatic99 said:
I got it for free from Tmobile for a yr. If you have TM, google to see if that promo still exists. Been pretty damn good.

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The Blazers’ starting power forward from opening night last season said his recovery is on target, but the 7-footer doesn’t want to put a timeline on when he will be back on the court. Collins had surgery to repair a hairline fracture in a malleolus on Sept. 1.

“I’m not sure when I’ll be able to fully participate,” Collins said Saturday. “Recovery has been great, though. I haven’t had any setbacks.”

Collins, who turned 23 on Thursday, said his rehabilitation has evolved to ball handling and shooting drills.

“The days when I push the ankle and really test it, it responds really well,” Collins said. “I’ve been very happy with the process.”

The Blazers’ offseason has created enough depth in the post to take pressure off Collins. Portland traded for forward Robert Covington on Tuesday, traded for center Enes Kanter on Friday and re-signed Carmelo Anthony on Saturday. The Blazers also signed free-agent forwards Rodney Hood and Derrick Jones Jr.

The Blazers are scheduled to starting training camp the first week of December, and the NBA is scheduled to open Dec. 22.

“I’m going to come back when I’m ready,” Collins said. “I’ll leave it at that.”

Collins is one of the Blazers’ best defenders, and his ability to play inside and outside on offense, combined with his toughness, has made him one of the Blazers’ most valued young players. However, he has struggled with injuries big and small throughout his career.

Collins, the No. 10 pick in 2017, had a nightmare 2019-20 season. After playing a reserve role his first two seasons, Collins became a starter in his third season after the Blazers let Al-Farouq Aminu leave for Orlando in free agency. But in the season’s third game, Collins separated his left shoulder at Dallas. He had surgery in November and didn’t return until July, when the NBA season resumed in Orlando. He started all eight games in the bubble — and the play-in game against Memphis — and averaged 6.3 points and 7.1 rebounds. But in the fifth game against the Clippers, he felt pain in his left foot, which he tried to play through in the last three games before taking himself out of the do-or-die game against the Grizzlies after playing only seven minutes.

A series of tests revealed the hairline fracture, and after leaving the bubble, he had surgery on Sept. 1.

Now, with a revamped roster that is stocked with bigs, Collins doesn’t have to rush his return.
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Sounds like he may be out for a few more months...
 
B-Roy said:
Sounds like he may be out for a few more months...
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"A few" more months equates to 3 or more. I did not get that from any of his quotes.

"The days when I push the ankle and really test it, it responds really well,” Collins said. “I’ve been very happy with the process.”

My guess is another month
 
WesleyMatthews said:
There are more #10 picks that become scrubs than become starters ...
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Actually, looking at a 20 year sample (1990-2010), 57.1% of the players drafted in the #10 spot became starters. So, I kinda had hopes that we would end up on the good side of those percentages....

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42N8Bounce said:
Actually, Looking at a 20 year sample (1990-2010), 57.1% of the players drafted in the #10 spot became starters. So, I kinda had hopes that we would end up on the good side of those percentages....

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I'm not sure what that means

I mean, Mo Harkless was a starter for most of 3-4 seasons, but is he really a starting level player? What is the gauge for calling a player a starter? 30% of their games? 15%? 70%?
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm not sure what that means

I mean, Mo Harkless was a starter for most of 3-4 seasons, but is he really a starting level player? What is the gauge for calling a player a starter? 30% of their games? 15%? 70%?
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I swagged it, but used 50% of their total career games as a starter as a baseline.
 
If the normal recovery time is 3-4 months on this surgery and Zach had it on September 1st then he should be doing non contact basketball workouts soon and full contact by the end of training camp and then be back by January 1st at the latest. Yeah it's a contract year so he won't want to be reckless but it's also a contract year so he'll want to prove himself and one of the biggest things he needs to prove is that he can play a full season.
 
blazerkor said:
If the normal recovery time is 3-4 months on this surgery and Zach had it on September 1st then he should be doing non contact basketball workouts soon and full contact by the end of training camp and then be back by January 1st at the latest. Yeah it's a contract year so he won't want to be reckless but it's also a contract year so he'll want to prove himself and one of the biggest things he needs to prove is that he can play a full season.
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It’s a contract year for a dude who has proven Jack shit in the NBA. If I was him I would want to get back and prove I’m worth some money. Right now he will be lucky to get a Meyers Leonard deal.
 
The silence....

The declined contract extension....

The revision surgery....

Eerily similar to Greg Oden’s situation and eventual exit.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Be kind please. Im sure the dude is devastated he just lost another season. Put aside your personal thoughts of him regarding this team and just put yourself in his position of trying to accomplish something. I really feel for him.
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this.....well said. Also everytime he has a setback it's shaving millions off his potential next contract...these injuries snowballing are not building his value at all. I hope he turns it around.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Be kind please. Im sure the dude is devastated he just lost another season. Put aside your personal thoughts of him regarding this team and just put yourself in his position of trying to accomplish something. I really feel for him.
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Horrible blow for someone that seems like a really good guy. I think he genuinely loves the game, so that's been taken away from him for a while longer. Then there are the serious financial ramifications. This "setback" is going to cost him many millions, unless he gets the QO and does great next season to earn himself a big deal. Any way you cut it, this had to be terrible for him. Far more terrible than it is for a bunch of annoyed fans.
 
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