The super Harden to Portland thread + The Big Blockbuster

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HAAK72 said:
...anyone see the blurry picture of Harden at PDX yet?! :dunno: @THE HCP
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Hoopguru said:
How to you think Dame would take it when Harden shows up to practice late, doesn't travel with the team, requires whatever James wants attitude? I could see him and Dame both launching 37 footers on a regular basis.
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If you are winning you deal with it. Sure it's less than ideal but that's the price you pay.
 
Cugel said:
If you are winning you deal with it. Sure it's less than ideal but that's the price you pay.
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And again if it doesn't work out there are a lot more options out there to get in return for Harden (if we don't ask for the draft assets the Rockets are reportedly demanding) than I think it would take to get him giving up a ton of picks. Also with his connection to Olshey... the way everyone respects and likes Dame and Stotts giving virtually everyone let alone James fucking Harden the green light... maybe just maybe Harden will want to be a bigger part of this team than he has the Rockets for the last little while.
 
Honestly if I were the Rockets I'd trade him to Atlanta...they have a ton of youth and picks to offer. I wouldn't worry about where he wants to play....I'd go for what I could get for him..they are not in win now mode
 
riverman said:
Honestly if I were the Rockets I'd trade him to Atlanta...they have a ton of youth and picks to offer. I wouldn't worry about where he wants to play....I'd go for what I could get for him..they are not in win now mode
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I don't see how that would appeal to Harden... Harden is showing that he will be petulant if he's not happy somewhere. The Rockets will get the most value out of the teams that Harden has approved.
 
To get him I think it would take CJ AND Nurk. Unfortunately CJ isn't enough, not even close. Ant hasn't looked that good. Collins is injury prone. Little is..... an unknown quantity. We don't have much to offer the Rockets.
 
blazerkor said:
I don't see how that would appeal to Harden... Harden is showing that he will be petulant if he's not happy somewhere. The Rockets will get the most value out of the teams that Harden has approved.
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Yeah, that is my worry. What moron goes to a strip joint and doesn't wear a fucking mask when the start of the season is already precarious because of Covid. Fat and stupid is not a good combo if you want to win a championship. He was acting out like a spoiled child.

And yes I am embarrassed to say I would still take the chance on him if I was Neil.
 
Harden is basically CJ on steroids. Like if you took CJ and moved all the sliders to 99, you have Harden.

Teams would no longer be able to trap Dame, but would Dame do well with Harden? I'm skeptical.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah, that is my worry. What moron goes to a strip joint and doesn't wear a fucking mask when the start of the season is already precarious because of Covid. Fat and stupid is not a good combo if you want to win a championship. He was acting out like a spoiled child.

And yes I am embarrassed to say I would still take the chance on him if I was Neil.
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I would definitely take the chance because of what I have been saying. Neil has known him since he was just out of high school, Terry will never piss him off and Dame is the best star teammate in the game. There is no more conducive environment for Harden to play and act right. Also, if he doesn't we move him on for a package like the Nets were offering or a young superstar like Simmons and Neil isn't dumb enough to ask for picks on top of those really solid offers and I think Neil is smart enough to put together an offer that's a little worse than those in talent and throw in the picks that Houston seems obsessed with.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Harden is basically CJ on steroids. Like if you took CJ and moved all the sliders to 99, you have Harden.

Teams would no longer be able to trap Dame, but would Dame do well with Harden? I'm skeptical.
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I think Dame would be the same on the 50% or a little less possessions that he was the main ball handler and he would be so so good off the ball. The guy could honestly take his defender 35 feet out, so completely out of the play so there is no help defense against Harden which would be easy money. Then when our opponents start to collapse on Harden, Dame would kill them with open threes. If the defender was able to close out, Dame would either make them pay for over committing by driving or if they didn't he would (unlike some guards who will remain nameless) rotate the damn ball to the open shooter or slasher. I think the offense those two would generate would be something better than the league may have ever seen from a back court. Then there's the fact that even though Harden isn't an elite defender, he's a lot better than CJ.
 
kjironman1 said:
Harden purposely scored 44 and pushed the game to OT to raise his value and then purposely passed the ball to lose in OT so the team he is going to doesn't lose a game!
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and Trent pouted on the bench like a malcontent to take himself out of a trade.
 
kjironman1 said:
Harden purposely scored 44 and pushed the game to OT to raise his value and then purposely passed the ball to lose in OT so the team he is going to doesn't lose a game!
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If i were hardon id be pissed at pj tucker too though. He would have had a wide open three for the win if he would have stuck to his role.

so i haven't read the game thread but did anyone else feel like cj must have heard the trade rumors and was on a mission to prove himself against Hardon?
 
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Orion Bailey said:
If i were harden id be pissed at pj tucker too though. He would have had a wide open three for the win if he would have stuck to his role.

so i haven't read the game thread but did anyone else feel like cj must have heard the trade rumors and was on a mission to prove himself against Hardon?
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On Instgram there is a couple posts about it so yeah i'm sure he read it. He is on there all the time. Now how he responded to it i don't know? Brooke asked a couple questions that seemed to spark a response he had planned. He wasn't having it. I got the impression he wanted out of that interview at the end of the game.

Oh and don't bother reading the game thread. I'll paraphrase it for you. CJ is a chucker and if he scores well is just an anomaly. Stotts sucks because he should have played trent for the 5 extra minutes Ant got. Melo still sucks. The Blazers should have beat the Rockets better. A win is a win but..... From there you can figure it out.
 
kjironman1 said:
On Instgram there is a couple posts about it so yeah i'm sure he read it. He is on there all the time. Now how he responded to it i don't know? Brooke asked a couple questions that seemed to spark a response he had planned. He wasn't having it. I got the impression he wanted out of that interview at the end of the game.

Oh and don't bother reading the game thread. I'll paraphrase it for you. CJ is a chucker and if he scores well is just an anomaly. Stotts sucks because he should have played trent for the 5 extra minutes Ant got. Melo still sucks. The Blazers should have beat the Rockets better. A win is a win but..... From there you can figure it out.
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hahahaha

well i think Ant needs the minutes. And i thought he played well overall.
Trent has not been making shots like in the bubble and doesn't pass the ball.
Melo did suck. But he just needs to stay positive and remind himself he isn't here for these games. He's here for the playoffs when the game slows down snd becomes more half court.

Game threads are all about emotions, rarely about reason. But hey par for the times right? Lol
 
From Quick’s article in The Athletic this morning:

If there is an example of how stars could, and should, exist in the NBA, it has repeatedly been on display in Portland.

“I think besides Steph (Curry) and Klay (Thompson), we are probably the only backcourt that not only gets along, but like, empowers the other,” McCollum said. “There is no competition. I don’t force my way into the game if he is playing well; he doesn’t force his way into the game. I just let whatever is going to happen, happen. I’m comfortable not taking shots, I’m comfortable playing a role. I do what is necessary for the team.”

Added Lillard: “The way that two great players get along is by supporting each other and allowing each other to be great, and have big nights and be supportive of that. Me and him, we have mastered that.”

Lillard and McCollum don’t just coexist on the court. They are close off it. They vacation together. Workout together. Heck, even their mothers are close. There is a depth and transparency to their relationship that is unmistakable.
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Quick also asked CJ about possible trade rumors. He said something about, 'going home to his wife and calling his mom.'
 
e_blazer said:
From Quick’s article in The Athletic this morning:
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This is all well and good, but these games from CJ are rare, but with Harden they happen every game. CJ isn’t a great player. He could be an all star on another team, but he isn’t top 5 in the NBA talent.

I think Ant getting minutes last night was interesting. I think it’s possible he was being showcased OR we were trying to see if he could fill in for Trent if he was traded.
 
Natebishop3 said:
This is all well and good, but these games from CJ are rare, but with Harden they happen every game. CJ isn’t a great player. He could be an all star on another team, but he isn’t top 5 in the NBA talent.

I think Ant getting minutes last night was interesting. I think it’s possible he was being showcased OR we were trying to see if he could fill in for Trent if he was traded.
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No doubt that Harden is the superior basketball talent. There’s also little doubt that CJ is the superior human being or that there’s value in the stability that his friendship with Dame provides. That said, I would still make the trade, but you have to live with the associated risk that it could lead to a chemistry implosion.
 
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