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Should the Blazers puruse Carmelo Anthony?

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  • Not No but Hell No

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Chris Craig said:
Carmelo says he will waive his 8 million dollar trade kicker to help him get to Houston. How far would that go in helping Houston get him?
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Maybe. It still doesn't give Houston anything any other team would want.
 
If he wants to go to Houston, I'm fine with that. It just seems like it's short sighted though.

But that's fine, I never believed Portland had a chance anyways. This is just more AAU influence.
 
I don't see how the NBA doesn't recognize that this is bad for the future of the league. These super teams.
 
Natebishop3 said:
And that is the fault of the league. The rules allow it.
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What rules? The rules give players every incentive to stay with their current teams. This isn't a league problem. When players take paycuts to team up whose fault is it?
 
Natebishop3 said:
And that is the fault of the league. The rules allow it.
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I don't mean at all to be combative in asking, but what do you propose? Eliminating free agency? Making guys take the most money?
 
Scalma said:
What rules? The rules give players every incentive to stay with their current teams. This isn't a league problem. When players take paycuts to team up whose fault is it?
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The NFL lets teams put a franchise tag on a player. At least it forces a team to give up assets if they pillage a marquee player.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The NFL lets teams put a franchise tag on a player. At least it forces a team to give up assets if they pillage a marquee player.
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The NFL draft has 7 rounds though. It's easier to give up compensation. Same with MLB. Asking a team to give up pretty much 100% of their draft picks to sign someone whose contract expired seems bad, for both sides.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't see how the NBA doesn't recognize that this is bad for the future of the league. These super teams.
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The NBA doesn't understand how you don't recognize that the supermax contracts that are given out now (like Blake Griffin's) will ultimately rid the NBA of super teams. :)
 
Scalma said:
The NFL draft has 7 rounds though. It's easier to give up compensation. Same with MLB. Asking a team to give up pretty much 100% of their draft picks to sign someone whose contract expired seems bad, for both sides.
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And that's why the compensation for the player should be so high that teams only use it on the very best players.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The NFL lets teams put a franchise tag on a player. At least it forces a team to give up assets if they pillage a marquee player.
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The unguaranteed contracts in the NFL, although bad for the player, are great for major sports leagues. Could you imagine if we could just cut Meyers, ET and regain all that money to spend in free agency? Guaranteed contracts are great for the players but make team decisions so crucial that if you fuck it up you could be screwed for 3-4 years.

The NBA would be so much more fun to watch if all contracts weren't fully guaranteed or just more incentive based.
 
AFully22 said:
The unguaranteed contracts in the NFL, although bad for the player, are great for major sports leagues. Could you imagine if we could just cut Meyers, ET and regain all that money to spend in free agency? Guaranteed contracts are great for the players but make team decisions so crucial that if you fuck it up you could be screwed for 3-4 years.

The NBA would be so much more fun to watch if all contracts weren't fully guaranteed or just more incentive based.
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What money? the full MLE? Cause Portland wouldn't have 28ish mil to spend this summer.
 
honkicracker said:
What money? the full MLE? Cause Portland wouldn't have 28ish mil to spend this summer.
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Well they wouldn't have the full amount but if the guaranteed portion was given in the signing bonus (as most of them are in the NFL) and all guaranteed money was given to those players, once they're cut you don't owe them a dime. If Meyers contract was 4 yrs 40 mil but with only 15 mil guaranteed and given to him in his first year then cutting him would essentially free up that cap space. So, no we wouldn't have the full 28 mil but we would have a lot of it.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The NFL lets teams put a franchise tag on a player. At least it forces a team to give up assets if they pillage a marquee player.
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The NFL has 22 starters per team, the NBA has 5 per team. A franchise tag in the NBA would be akin to NFL teams having something like 4-5 franchise tags. Having only one in the NFL forces teams to make tough decisions at times--tag one player and let another go. In the NBA, franchise tags would pretty much end superstars' ability to switch teams.

Also, I think the whole concept of "superteams" is exaggerated. The Warriors built the vast majority of their "superteam" through drafting and non-obvious but smart trades/free agent signings. Durant was a historical outlier, but it's not like the Warriors just assembled an amazing team out of free agents choosing to play together. The Cavaliers were burned by the "superteam" phenomenon before their hometown superstar chose to come back to Cleveland. They drafted Irving and traded another draft pick, Wiggins, for Love.

Really, the Heat are the only superteam that formed from free agents choosing to come together to build a team. I don't consider the current Rockets a superteam by any means and getting Carmelo Anthony, a slightly above average player, wouldn't change that all, IMO. Unless by superteam you just means "lots of celebrities."

Superteams have existed in every popular era of the NBA. People don't seem to have a problem with superteams--what they seem to have a problem with is players having any hand in building it. If a GM builds it--great! The bigger the better. If a player or players make decisions that help build it--boo, league broken.
 
RipCityDSCPL said:
Really? I am talking about one on one defense not double teams and help defense.

How many times last season did he hold the guy he was guarding below their scoring average?
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I don't know. Look it up. You're the only one that wants an answer to that question.

The bottom line is when you say:

"quite a few people thought Vonleh was a bad defender too."

That statement is false.
 
Minstrel said:
The NFL has 22 starters per team, the NBA has 5 per team. A franchise tag in the NBA would be akin to NFL teams having something like 4-5 franchise tags. Having only one in the NFL forces teams to make tough decisions at times--tag one player and let another go. In the NBA, franchise tags would pretty much end superstars' ability to switch teams.

Also, I think the whole concept of "superteams" is exaggerated. The Warriors built the vast majority of their "superteam" through drafting and non-obvious but smart trades/free agent signings. Durant was a historical outlier, but it's not like the Warriors just assembled an amazing team out of free agents choosing to play together. The Cavaliers were burned by the "superteam" phenomenon before their hometown superstar chose to come back to Cleveland. They drafted Irving and traded another draft pick, Wiggins, for Love.

Really, the Heat are the only superteam that formed from free agents choosing to come together to build a team. I don't consider the current Rockets a superteam by any means and getting Carmelo Anthony, a slightly above average player, wouldn't change that all, IMO. Unless by superteam you just means "lots of celebrities."

Superteams have existed in every popular era of the NBA. People don't seem to have a problem with superteams--what they seem to have a problem with is players having any hand in building it. If a GM builds it--great! The bigger the better. If a player or players make decisions that help build it--boo, league broken.
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Sports journalists are Patreon begging now? It's all over gaming, and now it's moving into sports.
 
Minstrel said:
The NFL has 22 starters per team, the NBA has 5 per team. A franchise tag in the NBA would be akin to NFL teams having something like 4-5 franchise tags. Having only one in the NFL forces teams to make tough decisions at times--tag one player and let another go. In the NBA, franchise tags would pretty much end superstars' ability to switch teams.

Also, I think the whole concept of "superteams" is exaggerated. The Warriors built the vast majority of their "superteam" through drafting and non-obvious but smart trades/free agent signings. Durant was a historical outlier, but it's not like the Warriors just assembled an amazing team out of free agents choosing to play together. The Cavaliers were burned by the "superteam" phenomenon before their hometown superstar chose to come back to Cleveland. They drafted Irving and traded another draft pick, Wiggins, for Love.

Really, the Heat are the only superteam that formed from free agents choosing to come together to build a team. I don't consider the current Rockets a superteam by any means and getting Carmelo Anthony, a slightly above average player, wouldn't change that all, IMO. Unless by superteam you just means "lots of celebrities."

Superteams have existed in every popular era of the NBA. People don't seem to have a problem with superteams--what they seem to have a problem with is players having any hand in building it. If a GM builds it--great! The bigger the better. If a player or players make decisions that help build it--boo, league broken.
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I actually like the idea of a franchise tag for the NBA, but I think it should only be able to apply to a player a team drafted. It would have prevented Shaq from bolting to LA, Lebron bolting to Miami, Mourning from bolting to Miami....

Perhaps if stars "demand a trade" teams will get better return with a franchise tag. Because now, there is always the threat of that player leaving for nothing.
 
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