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Should the Blazers puruse Carmelo Anthony?

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What do you think about my guy Capela. Untradeable in your opinion ?
he is as close to being un-tradeable as you can be, with out being untradeable. It would take major pieces to get him. He is still young, with lots of upside. Decent defense, and learning off from Hakeem. He comes closest to Hakeem's footwork as I've seen. Still needs time to develop, and build muscle.

Again, Morey has a price for everyone. Everyone is in the discussion, so there is always a chance.
 
The geko's resigned Ibaka 3 years 65mil.
Reported by espn on july 2nd.

I think most on s2 will agree with you saying Anderson isn't a bad player. It's the 20mil per he makes for the next 3 seasons that takes him from a valuable asset. To an albatross contract.
agreed.
 
@Chupacabra ... I've never seen someone with such a gap in their Home/Away splits.....especially in favor of the Road. Odd...
YEA, THAT! I don't think anyone has. If he would shoot his avg at home, we could have won 3 or 4 more games. Not saying anything about the playoffs.

Running theroy is:
He is colorblind (fact). So members have been looking at his shooting % when the home time is red (bulls, Atl, etc). It seems to be lower at those. I didn't do the investigation, just what they reported. If he stays, we might have to change our colors. :cool2:
 
@Chupacabra ... I've never seen someone with such a gap in their Home/Away splits.....especially in favor of the Road. Odd...
I noticed that too. It seems a bit flukey to me though. I can't imagine there would actually be a reason for such a drop in the comfort of a home crowd.
 
YEA, THAT! I don't think anyone has. If he would shoot his avg at home, we could have won 3 or 4 more games. Not saying anything about the playoffs.

He is colorblind. So members have been looking at his shooting % when the home time is red (bulls, Atl, etc). It seems to be lower at those. I didn't do the investigation, just what they reported. If he stays, we might have to change our colors. :cool2:
Thanks. We'll make sure to wear our red alternates next time we play you.....hehe
 
The problem is that the Knicks want to go young. They want to build around KP. There's no incentive for NY to trade for Anderson just to appease Melo, and the Rockets don't have any young talented players. The worst thing they could do is take on shitty contracts just to make Melo happy. In this case it's much better to just let him walk at the end of the year for nothing, rather than deal him for shitty contracts. That's what a lot of Rocket fans don't seem to understand. In this case, nothing is better than something.
 
he is as close to being un-tradeable as you can be, with out being untradeable. It would take major pieces to get him. He is still young, with lots of upside. Decent defense, and learning off from Hakeem. He comes closest to Hakeem's footwork as I've seen. Still needs time to develop, and build muscle.

Again, Morey has a price for everyone. Everyone is in the discussion, so there is always a chance.

Thanks for your informations!
 
Not sure if you fall into the short attention span tl;dr crowd, but if you do...

Executive summary: POR has more than enough to offer the Knicks for Carmelo, if he waives his NTC. HOU has nothing the Kicks would want - NOTHING.

The only way NYK gets either Nurkic or Collins is if they also include Porzingis. And even then, I think POR would hesitate to give up Nurkic. He is such a great fit, on both ends of the court, with the rest of our roster. After the Nurk trade, our team 3FG% skyrocketed and we became a top 10 defense. That's how important he is to this team. Mason Plumlee isn't a bad player - great motor and one of the best passing bigs in the league, but he has limitations that Nurk doesn't have. On paper, the difference doesn't look that big. On the court, it's huge.

Even without Nukic and Collins, we have everything a rebuilding team, like the Knicks, could want.

We have a young, improving 23-year old proven NBA starter they covet in Maurice Harkless, who is locked in for three more years on a very team friendly, below market contract. HOU has nothing close to that.

We have a decent expiring contract in Ed Davis. He could be part of a package to make the salaries match and will be long gone and off their cap by the time they need to give extensions to Porzingis, Hernangomez and the rest of their young players. HOU's only significant expiring contract is Trevor Ariza. His salary is comparable to Davis', but supposedly CP3 doesn't want HOU to trade Ariza. This is the only trade asset where HOU is equal to POR, and you'd still need to include Ryan Anderson, or possibly Eric Gordon plus a few of the small non-guaranteed contracts Morey has been hording. Would either team for an Ariza + Gordon for Melo swap? It further depletes the Rockets already thin roster and it gives NYK two players over the age of 29 - one who is locked in for 3 more years. Not exactly something of interest to a rebuilding team.

POR also owns all of their future first round picks. HOU already gave up their 2018 first round pick in the CP3 trade. Due to the Ted Stepien Rule, that means 2020 is the first available first round pick the Rockets can trade. Do the Knicks really want to wait three years for what would likely be a pick in the late 20s? The Blazer can offer their 2018 first round pick and if necessary both their 2018 and 2020 picks.

POR also has a $12.9 million traded player exception from the Allen Crabbe trade. It cannot be used in combination with other salaries, but it happens to be a perfect match for Courtney Lee's salary. So, as part of a separate trade, we can also take one of the Knicks biggest contracts off their hands. At 32, Lee clearly doesn't fit in the the Knicks rebuilding plans. POR actually needs help at back up shooting guard after trading Crabbe. Lee would replace Crabbe's lost shooting, and is a much better defender than Crabbe. He would actually be a useful 3 and D guy coming of the bench for POR. Using that TPE for Lee would push POR back over the luxury tax threshold, but if Paul Allen wants Carmelo Anthony badly enough, he will bite the bullet and pay the tax. HOU has nothing comparable to offer NYK.

Portland also has other young players that are still on their rookie contracts than that Knicks may want. Noah Vonleh is still only 21 (will turn 22 later this month). So, age wise, he fits in well with their rebuilding plan. He has started over half of POR's games at PF the last two seasons. His offensive game is still immature, but he is an above average rebounder and excellent defender. He played much better next to Nurkic, than he did next to Plumlee. Over the last month of the season he scored in double digits 8 times and had 6 games with at least 11 rebounds. He would be great coming off the bench in New York. Portland drafted two guys in Collins and Swanigan that play the same position. So, Vonleh is expendable.

Finally, the other thing that has changed over the last month is almost every team that had enough cap space to act as a third party and absorb Ryan Anderson's contract has used that cap space up. BRK was Morey's best bet and Neil Olshey eliminated that option with the Allen Crabbe trade. Olshey killed two birds with one stone. He caused BRK to use up their cap space and acquired a $12.9 million TPE that could prove to be a valuable trade asset in the pursuit of Carmelo Anthony.

There is absolutely zero doubt that should Carmelo expands he list of acceptable destinations to include Portland, the Blazers easily have the assets to make it happen. They can offer the Knicks a package that includes a prove young player they covet on a team friendly contract (Harkless), an expiring contract to make the salaries work (Davis), an additional young player (Vonleh), one or more future first round draft picks (2018 or 2018 and 2020) and they have a huge TPE that can be used for the Knicks to offload a highly paid 32-year old who no longer fits their plans.

HOU can't come close to that. Right now, what HOU has to offer has negative net value to a rebuilding team. Ryan Anderson is a 1-dimensional 3-point shooter who has an absolutely terrible contract. He is also 29-years old, injury prone and doesn't play defense. He also plays the same position as the 22-year old face of the franchise that is the very heart of the Knicks rebuilding effort. Morey overpaid Anderson and nobody else wants to bail him out and take Ryan Anderson off his hands to help the Rockets get better. No rebuilding team wants Anderson, and even if they did, would not give up assets the Knicks would want. No contending team has the cap space to absorb Anderson's contract and wouldn't willingly help the competition get better if they could. Anderson is pretty much locked in as HOU's $20 million a year 4th option.

Face it, after the CP3 trade, the cupboard in HOU is bare. Acquiring one disgruntled star guts your roster. Acquiring two is damn near impossible. Morey shot his wad on the CP3 trade. He has nothing left to offer the Knicks and is desperately seeking another team to help him out. The problem is, HOU is so devoid of trade assets, he doesn't have anything anyone else would want either.

BNM
Home run

:cheers:
 
I hated the switch from red to black
 
I get why teams wear red. No arguement.

The theory with RA and his colorblindness. Red is the most common color of colorblindness. He has a hard time with depth perception between the rim and the background. Not a problem at NO because of the colors, and he didn't shoot as many 3's.
 
I get why teams wear red. No arguement.

The theory with RA and his colorblindness. Red is the most common color of colorblindness. He has a hard time with depth perception between the rim and the background. Not a problem at NO because of the colors, and he didn't shoot as many 3's.
Interesting. I didn't know that he had color blindness.
 
Ryan's contract is what sucks. He is not a bad player. He was injury free with the rockets, except when he cut his finger/thumb taking out the trash. I get the injury prone label though. and I said the others teams (including the knicks). Does not mean the knicks are the only ones that can change their mind. Utah can use a stretch 4. Toronto.
What exactly would Utah give to New York that New York would want in order to pay Ryan Anderson $19M a year? Utah already has Favors, who's better than Anderson and making less money. Ingles could probably play some small-ball, stretch-4 (and he'll probably have to because they're loaded on the wing with Hood, Mitchell, Burks, Johnson, and Sefelosha).

Toronto is already at the tax line, and the only pieces they could trade to take on Anderson's contract is Derozen (won't happen) or Valancuinas. They wouldn't trade their young, starting C who's better than Anderson and making less than him, for a stretch 4 to backup Ibaka. Plus, New York wouldn't value Valancuinas much because they're very high on Hernangomez.

Any other teams you think would possibly participate in a 3-way trade with Houston and New York?
 
The problem is that the Knicks want to go young. They want to build around KP. There's no incentive for NY to trade for Anderson just to appease Melo, and the Rockets don't have any young talented players. The worst thing they could do is take on shitty contracts just to make Melo happy. In this case it's much better to just let him walk at the end of the year for nothing, rather than deal him for shitty contracts. That's what a lot of Rocket fans don't seem to understand. In this case, nothing is better than something.
this ...

If Melo opts in/does take his ETO, he gets paid $28M. I don't think there is another team out there that would play him that.

If he is in for the money, he will stay in NY.
If he wants to play with friends, ... why not Houston? CP3, Harden, Ariza, the ever present Bobby Brown.
If he wants to win, have to wait to see where teams are next year.

Side note.
Bobby Brown needs a movie when he retires. Apparently, he is friends with everyone in the leak. He is another player that will not be traded cause he recruited CP3. CP3, Ariza, Ryan, and Brown all played together in NO. It's like the Bubba Shrimp Boat instead of the Banana Boat.
 
this ...

If Melo opts in/does take his ETO, he gets paid $28M. I don't think there is another team out there that would play him that.

If he is in for the money, he will stay in NY.
If he wants to play with friends, ... why not Houston? CP3, Harden, Ariza, the ever present Bobby Brown.
If he wants to win, have to wait to see where teams are next year.

Side note.
Bobby Brown needs a movie when he retires. Apparently, he is friends with everyone in the leak. He is another player that will not be traded cause he recruited CP3. CP3, Ariza, Ryan, and Brown all played together in NO. It's like the Bubba Shrimp Boat instead of the Banana Boat.
I don't see how there's any place that he would want because of money reasons. If he wants money, he could play wherever and opt in to that 2nd year and still make as much money. Money isn't a factor here.
 
What exactly would Utah give to New York that New York would want in order to pay Ryan Anderson $19M a year? Utah already has Favors, who's better than Anderson and making less money. Ingles could probably play some small-ball, stretch-4 (and he'll probably have to because they're loaded on the wing with Hood, Mitchell, Burks, Johnson, and Sefelosha).

Toronto is already at the tax line, and the only pieces they could trade to take on Anderson's contract is Derozen (won't happen) or Valancuinas. They wouldn't trade their young, starting C who's better than Anderson and making less than him, for a stretch 4 to backup Ibaka. Plus, New York wouldn't value Valancuinas much because they're very high on Hernangomez.

Any other teams you think would possibly participate in a 3-way trade with Houston and New York?
Favors is not a Stretch-4. If Utah wanted to adapt the "new" 3&D model, RA would be a better fit scheme wise. Favors is cheaper.

Not saying I'm right. It hasn't happened yet, so I'm sure there is a reason why not.
 
If he wants to play with friends, ... why not Houston? CP3, Harden, Ariza, the ever present Bobby Brown.

The issue isn't whether he wants to play in Houston. He does. The issue is that the Knicks have veto power just as much as Melo does, and it seems unlikely they'll agree to a Houston trade as things stand.

It might be theoretically possible to rope in a third team with the assets that New York would want if Houston upped what they were willing to trade to Ariza and Gordon. But Ryan Anderson (and his contract) isn't going to fetch the assets that New York wants. Most likely. Nothing's impossible.
 
Clutchfan says:
The more I see of this trade talk, the more I'm starting to think we are gonna be waiting till December for some of our newest pieces to be available to facilitate this Carmelo trade.

Yeah, because the ability to finally trade P.J. Tucker, who's 32 years old and on a 4 year, $32M contract, or Luc Mbah a Moute, a 30 year old minimum contract level player, will definitely sway the Knicks.
 
I don't see how there's any place that he would want because of money reasons. If he wants money, he could play wherever and opt in to that 2nd year and still make as much money. Money isn't a factor here.
but to do that, he would have to opt in, and NY would have to trade him. His NTC would be the issue.
 
Favors is not a Stretch-4. If Utah wanted to adapt the "new" 3&D model, RA would be a better fit scheme wise. Favors is cheaper.

Not saying I'm right. It hasn't happened yet, so I'm sure there is a reason why not.
I never said Favors is a Stretch-4. Isn't there two parts to the 3 & D model? How do they get closer to the 3 & D model by trading defense and inside scoring away for one-dimensional 3pt shooting? I guess it makes the team more balanced in terms of both but there defense is their identity. Moving away from their identity wouldn't be a good thing.
 
this ...

If Melo opts in/does take his ETO, he gets paid $28M. I don't think there is another team out there that would play him that.

If he is in for the money, he will stay in NY.
If he wants to play with friends, ... why not Houston? CP3, Harden, Ariza, the ever present Bobby Brown.
If he wants to win, have to wait to see where teams are next year.

Side note.
Bobby Brown needs a movie when he retires. Apparently, he is friends with everyone in the leak. He is another player that will not be traded cause he recruited CP3. CP3, Ariza, Ryan, and Brown all played together in NO. It's like the Bubba Shrimp Boat instead of the Banana Boat.
I thought Whitney Houston beat Bobby Brown "to death" a few years ago?
 
The issue isn't whether he wants to play in Houston. He does. The issue is that the Knicks have veto power just as much as Melo does, and it seems unlikely they'll agree to a Houston trade as things stand.

It might be theoretically possible to rope in a third team with the assets that New York would want if Houston upped what they were willing to trade to Ariza and Gordon. But Ryan Anderson (and his contract) isn't going to fetch the assets that New York wants. Most likely. Nothing's impossible.
not poking the bear but,

Blazers were set to take RA and send Harkless and Leonard to NYK till Phil got fired. Then Olshey changed his mind. (from Phil interview). Olshey might have just been playing possum the whole time.
 
To do what?
You said if he wanted money he could opt in and play anywhere. I took that as you said he could opt in, then pick a team to play for.

By opting in, he is playing for NY so they would have to trade him. That gets back to his NTC. and he is a yr older.
 
not poking the bear but,

Blazers were set to take RA and send Harkless and Leonard to NYK till Phil got fired. Then Olshey changed his mind. (from Phil interview). Olshey might have just been playing possum the whole time.

That sounds pretty unlikely to me. Especially since that was before the Crabbe trade and Portland was trying to reduce salary, not take on yet another albatross (and they already had several). Especially when it means a bad defensive team giving up one of their only two way players (Harkless) for yet another defensive minus.

I think it's far more likely that that was Jackson's proposal and Olshey was simply participating in talks, until he decided that there was nothing to be gained being a part of the deal.
 
not poking the bear but,

Blazers were set to take RA and send Harkless and Leonard to NYK till Phil got fired. Then Olshey changed his mind. (from Phil interview). Olshey might have just been playing possum the whole time.
Portland would never have taken that trade. They just shed Crabbe, who's younger, a SG version of Anderson, and was at a position of scarcity (SG). So you really think they'd do the opposite and take on Anderson, who makes even more than Crabbe, plays a position Portland already has a logjam at (PF), would trade away their starting SF, and help Houston get better?

You gotta be kidding if you think that was ever a consideration by Olshey. It was probably his way of gauging New York's interest in Harkless for Melo while wasting HOU's time and seeing how little hope HOU had of negotiating a trade for Melo.
 
I never said Favors is a Stretch-4. Isn't there two parts to the 3 & D model? How do they get closer to the 3 & D model by trading defense and inside scoring away for one-dimensional 3pt shooting? I guess it makes the team more balanced in terms of both but there defense is their identity. Moving away from their identity wouldn't be a good thing.
I didn't mean to imply you said he was a stretch-4. I meant if a team wanted to go to that model, RA would be a better fit. 40% 3's is a significant improve meant over Favors, the drop in D is not as great.
 
You said if he wanted money he could opt in and play anywhere. I took that as you said he could opt in, then pick a team to play for.

By opting in, he is playing for NY so they would have to trade him. That gets back to his NTC. and he is a yr older.
Uh, no, he can't opt in and pick a team to play for, obviously.

He could get traded and opt in, he could stay in NY and opt in, and then get traded, or stay...

Money doesn't affect anything in the situation. You said if he just wants money, he'd stay in NY. How is staying in NY going to earn him more money?
 
I didn't mean to imply you said he was a stretch-4. I meant if a team wanted to go to that model, RA would be a better fit. 40% 3's is a significant improve meant over Favors, the drop in D is not as great.
Offensively, Favors and Anderson are closer together in talent wise than defensively. Favors is a very good defender, while Anderson is downright awful. While Anderson is a better fit offensively, he's not much more talented offensively.

Trading Favors for Anderson doesn't make Utah any better. It may improve there offense from a cohesion standpoint, but it results in a big decline in their defense (their identity), and puts them in a much worse situation in terms of cap space.
 

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