The super Melo to Portland thread + The Big Blockbuster (1 Viewer)

[Reep]

The only "organization" I work for from May-November is ESPN, Pac-12Net, HBO, ROOT, NBCSports, Golf Channel, CSN......etc. Who do you speak of?

I think he is speaking of the other one. You know, the November - April one.

 

[HolyBackboard]

This has been the most drawn-out rumor since the Steve Francis for Tracy McGrady swap in 2004

 

[THE HCP]

You literally can't trust anything that HCP says. He has burned all credibility and I guarantee he's just fucking with us. Honestly I'm not sure why the organization lets him do it.

Why would I need or want "credibility" to post on here? You think I'd actually post something on here if I knew anything. I could write a book of what I've seen or heard bro. Of course that would never happen. Lighten up Chachi. And just so you know, I've had people thank me for stirring stuff up over here on our fantastic little forum.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Paul George isn't a lock to go to HCP'S team. We need to put ourselves in a position to at least take a shot at him in free agency next year.

I agree with your post, except the PG part. That ship has sailed. He is not coming to us through free agency. A trade was our only chance. He is looking for a place to win, but if we play well enough to get his attention (which I doubt) then we probably won't need him.

 

[THE HCP]

I think he is speaking of the other one. You know, the November - April one.

I'm currently not under contract with them sir.

 

[THE HCP]

I can't remember a rumored deal that actually went thru..... Usually they just happen right?

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

MmmmmmmmmmmmWRONG. Three points - Anderson scored THREE POINTS more per game, on 2.5 more shots. He has a worse 3P%, worse 2P%, worse eFG%.View attachment 15119

If we'd scored just 3 pts more per game - how many more wins would have that result been?

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

If we'd scored just 3 pts more per game - how many more wins would have that result been?

Answer: 10 additional wins.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I can't remember a rumored deal that actually went thru..... Usually they just happen right?

How about your buddy J. Quick Any inside info you can get for the forum?

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[andalusian]

I would pay to see that

I believe it is already happens. No other explanation to the way he loses the ball on drives.

 

[THE HCP]

How about your buddy J. Quick Any inside info you can get for the forum?

We actually have gotten into it a few times and can't stand each other. There's some "inside" info FAMS.

 

[42N8Bounce]

If we'd scored just 3 pts more per game - how many more wins would have that result been?

Anderson scored 2.9 more points per game than Harkless, on 2.5 more attempts per game. The delta isn't 2.9 more points per game. Anderson would be taking away those 2.5 attempts from other players. At last year's rate, those 2.5 attempts by other players would have resulted in 2.6 points. Since Anderson adds 2.9 points - the delta would be approximately 0.3 additional points per game.

 

[Trackjack]

When it sounds nothing is close on this trade.

 

[Scalma]

KYLER. HAS. NO. SOURCES.

He's literally never broken a story.

 

[rotary111]

I agree with your post, except the PG part. That ship has sailed. He is not coming to us through free agency. A trade was our only chance. He is looking for a place to win, but if we play well enough to get his attention (which I doubt) then we probably won't need him.

Agreed! But how many threads will this place have on PG when free agency begins? 5 or 6 at 20 pages each. Look how fired up this group was with a slim chance in a trade.

We would have to hope for some teams to have epic collapses and PG to hate Okie's.

Dame and CJ need to be sending P towns best strippers to his hotel when in town. It just doesn't hurt to try.

 

[Boob-No-More]

This has been the most drawn-out rumor since the Steve Francis for Tracy McGrady swap in 2004

More so than Melo to NYK in 2010-11? Rumors of Carmelo forcing a trade to NY started before the season even started and were a huge distrction right up until a 12 player, 3 team trade finally went down at the trade deadline in February. It was so drawn out, it even had a nickname - The MeloDrama.

Looks like we have somehow been cast in a supporting role in the sequel - The MeloDrama 2.0.

BNM

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Ryan Anderson +/-: 5.7
Houston Rockets +/-: 5.7

 

[tester551]

RA will be just fine on this team. He has a skill we sorely lacked last year from his position. (Nurk will cover for him at the rim defensively)

Vonleh hopefully will make a big step this season, if not we have a few youngins waiting for their opportunity.

I would hate to lose hark, but if we can get some picks in the deal we can salvage this off season. I just don't want a panic move just to make a move. Patience is the key when teams are scrambling to beat the W'S. Because we can't...yet.

Paul George isn't a lock to go to HCP'S team. We need to put ourselves in a position to at least take a shot at him in free agency next year.

With our cap situation, the most we could possible offer him is the tax MLE for about $6M per year. There is no way it's even a possibility unless we can dump some serious contracts.

 

[Pinwheel1]

So it comes down to who wants Ryan Anderson, and of those teams, which has assets the Knicks like. I can see NY dragging this out until they get something they want. I assume cap space is what they want most but no one with cap space will want Anderson's contract. (Or at least they shouldn't)

So then it comes down to which team is desperate for a stretch 4? Based on style of play, Houston and Portland are the two biggest candidates. But who after that?

 

[blue9]

So it comes down to who wants Ryan Anderson, and of those teams, which has assets the Knicks like. I can see NY dragging this out until they get something they want. I assume cap space is what they want most but no one with cap space will want Anderson's contract. (Or at least they shouldn't)

So then it comes down to which team is desperate for a stretch 4? Based on style of play, Houston and Portland are the two biggest candidates. But who after that?

Maybe MIN will go all-in? I don't remember what the deal for Gibson is, but if they're paying him peanuts maybe they can afford to overpay Anderson? Give them a little O/D with their two PFs? Honestly, I'm stretching here:

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Maybe MIN will go all-in? I don't remember what the deal for Gibson is, but if they're paying him peanuts maybe they can afford to overpay Anderson? Give them a little O/D with their two PFs? Honestly, I'm stretching here:
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Tbh I would rather have Dieng than Anderson......

 

[blue9]

Tbh I would rather have Dieng than Anderson......

Me too.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Blazers where interested in Ryan Anderson before he went to Houston.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I already said this 20-some pages ago, but since this is heating up again...

We are doing both HOU and NYK a BIG favor here and deserve to be compensated, not screwed. HOU WANTS Carmelo. Forum opinions aside, they view him as the third piece of their Big 3 with Harden and CP3. NYK WANTS to move Carmelo. They want to move him so they can fully commit to a youth movement, rebuilding around Porzingis. Melo wants this (and will waive him no trade clause) and the HOU players want this. Everybody wants this and is looking for us to help make it happen.

Obviously, HOU NEEDS move Ryan Anderson's contract to make room for Carmelo's contract. Plus, HOU will play Melo at PF, which would make Anderson a $20+ million back up for the next three years (if they could actually keep him, which they can't).

NYK WANTS Harkless. He's a starter, he's young, he's on a reasonable contract, he's from NY.

Any trade that has us giving up Harkless and taking on Anderson's contract NEEDS to give us something more - significantly more. We would be giving up the youngest player in the deal and the only one on a reasonable contract. We would also be taking on HOU's worst contract.

This is a business, not a charity. We need to get something other than a smile, a pat on the back and a shitty contract out of it. Start with at least one future 1st round pick, and even that's not enough. HOU already owes their 2018 first round pick to ATL (top 3 protected). We need to squeeze them for their 2020 first round pick. We also need to squeeze a pick out of the Knicks. They'll want to lottery protect it. I'd push back for a top 8 or top 10 protection.

But, what we really need to see is some salary relief. If HOU wants to dump their worst contract on us, we need to be able to dump TWO of our three worst contracts in this deal. HOU and NYK need to find some way for us to dump two of Crabbe, Leonard and Turner. We already have the highest payroll in the league and are facing years of luxury tax hell - before we even sign Nurk to an extension. No way in hell do we end up even worse off just to do somebody else a favor.

Getting a 4th team involved might be needed, if the Knicks don't want Turner or Crabbe (since the just signed Tim Hardway Jr. to an offer sheet), but start with something like this:

Harkless, Leonard and Crabbe to NYK
Melo to HOU
Anderson, O'Quinn, Lance Thomas + future picks to POR

That actually almost works - and saves us $9 million in salary this year, even more going forward. HOU needs to send out another $1.6 million, but they have stockpiled a bunch of non-guaranteed contracts that don't show up in the ESPN trade machine. Send a few of those non-guaranteed contracts our way and this works - salary wise.

We give up Harkless, but get rid of two of our three worst contracts. Anderson is basically a taller, older, more injury prone, slightly better player than Crabbe on an equally hideous contract. I've been clamoring for 2-way players at the forward positions and Ryan Anderson is the definition of NOT a 2-way play. O'Quinn is. He wouldn't be starting in front of the $20 million man, but at least he'd be a HUGE, absolutely FREAKING HUGE upgrade over Meyers Leonard as a back up C/PF. And, he's cheap and in the last year of his contract. Lance Thomas takes Mo's roster spot. He doesn't shoot a lot of 3-pointers, but has a career 3FG% of .410 and shot .447 3FG% last season. Between him and Anderson, we would easily replace Crabbe's and (cough, cough) Leonard's 3-point shooting.

The obvious snag, and I suspect what's holding this up, is the Knicks are waiting to see if ATL matched their offer sheet to Tim Hardaway Jr. If ATL matches, no problem, the Knicks take Crabbe. If ATL doesn't match, a 4th team will be necessary that either wants Crabbe, or at least has the cap space to absorb his contract.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Blazers where interested in Ryan Anderson before he went to Houston.

We were also interested in Barkley before he went to HOU. Think we can get him, too?

BNM

 

[trailblazer18]

I already said this 20-some pages ago, but since this is heating up again...

We are doing both HOU and NYK a BIG favor here and deserve to be compensated, not screwed. HOU WANTS Carmelo. Forum opinions aside, they view him as the third piece of their Big 3 with Harden and CP3. NYK WANTS to move Carmelo. They want to move him so they can fully commit to a youth movement, rebuilding around Porzingis. Melo wants this (and will waive him no trade clause) and the HOU players want this. Everybody wants this and is looking for us to help make it happen.

Obviously, HOU NEEDS move Ryan Anderson's contract to make room for Carmelo's contract. Plus, HOU will play Melo at PF, which would make Anderson a $20+ million back up for the next three years (if they could actually keep him, which they can't).

NYK WANTS Harkless. He's a starter, he's young, he's on a reasonable contract, he's from NY.

Any trade that has us giving up Harkless and taking on Anderson's contract NEEDS to give us something more - significantly more. We would be giving up the youngest player in the deal and the only one on a reasonable contract. We would also be taking on HOU's worst contract.

This is a business, not a charity. We need to get something other than a smile, a pat on the back and a shitty contract out of it. Start with at least one future 1st round pick, and even that's not enough. HOU already owes their 2018 first round pick to ATL (top 3 protected). We need to squeeze them for their 2020 first round pick. We also need to squeeze a pick out of the Knicks. They'll want to lottery protect it. I'd push back for a top 8 or top 10 protection.

But, what we really need to see is some salary relief. If HOU wants to dump their worst contract on us, we need to be able to dump TWO of our three worst contracts in this deal. HOU and NYK need to find some way for us to dump two of Crabbe, Leonard and Turner. We already have the highest payroll in the league and are facing years of luxury tax hell - before we even sign Nurk to an extension. No way in hell do we end up even worse off just to do somebody else a favor.

Getting a 4th team involved might be needed, if the Knicks don't want Turner or Crabbe (since the just signed Tim Hardway Jr. to an offer sheet), but start with something like this:

Harkless, Leonard and Crabbe to NYK
Melo to HOU
Anderson, O'Quinn, Lance Thomas + future picks to POR

That actually almost works - and saves us $9 million in salary this year, even more going forward. HOU needs to send out another $1.6 million, but they have stockpiled a bunch of non-guaranteed contracts that don't show up in the ESPN trade machine. Send a few of those non-guaranteed contracts our way and this works - salary wise.

We give up Harkless, but get rid of two of our three worst contracts. Anderson is basically a taller, older, more injury prone, slightly better player than Crabbe on an equally hideous contract. I've been clamoring for 2-way players at the forward positions and Ryan Anderson is the definition of NOT a 2-way play. O'Quinn is. He wouldn't be starting in front of the $20 million man, but at least he'd be a HUGE, absolutely FREAKING HUGE upgrade over Meyers Leonard as a back up C/PF. And, he's cheap and in the last year of his contract. Lance Thomas takes Mo's roster spot. He doesn't shoot a lot of 3-pointers, but has a career 3FG% of .410 and shot .447 3FG% last season. Between him and Anderson, we would easily replace Crabbe's and (cough, cough) Leonard's 3-point shooting.

The obvious snag, and I suspect what's holding this up, is the Knicks are waiting to see if ATL matched their offer sheet to Tim Hardaway Jr. If ATL matches, no problem, the Knicks take Crabbe. If ATL doesn't match, a 4th team will be necessary that either wants Crabbe, or at least has the cap space to absorb his contract.

BNM

Atlanta didn't match. Hardaway has signed now with the Knicks.

 

[julius]

The only "organization" I work for from May-November is ESPN, Pac-12Net, HBO, ROOT, NBCSports, Golf Channel, CSN......etc. Who do you speak of?

You forgot All American Lawn

 

[Boob-No-More]

Atlanta didn't match. Hardaway has signed now with the Knicks.

OK, time to pull in a 4th team to unload Crabbe...

BNM