The super Melo to Portland thread + The Big Blockbuster (1 Viewer)

[Schilly]

I'm calling this one DOA

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

I already said this 20-some pages ago, but since this is heating up again...

We are doing both HOU and NYK a BIG favor here and deserve to be compensated, not screwed. HOU WANTS Carmelo. Forum opinions aside, they view him as the third piece of their Big 3 with Harden and CP3. NYK WANTS to move Carmelo. They want to move him so they can fully commit to a youth movement, rebuilding around Porzingis. Melo wants this (and will waive him no trade clause) and the HOU players want this. Everybody wants this and is looking for us to help make it happen.

Obviously, HOU NEEDS move Ryan Anderson's contract to make room for Carmelo's contract. Plus, HOU will play Melo at PF, which would make Anderson a $20+ million back up for the next three years (if they could actually keep him, which they can't).

NYK WANTS Harkless. He's a starter, he's young, he's on a reasonable contract, he's from NY.

Any trade that has us giving up Harkless and taking on Anderson's contract NEEDS to give us something more - significantly more. We would be giving up the youngest player in the deal and the only one on a reasonable contract. We would also be taking on HOU's worst contract.

This is a business, not a charity. We need to get something other than a smile, a pat on the back and a shitty contract out of it. Start with at least one future 1st round pick, and even that's not enough. HOU already owes their 2018 first round pick to ATL (top 3 protected). We need to squeeze them for their 2020 first round pick. We also need to squeeze a pick out of the Knicks. They'll want to lottery protect it. I'd push back for a top 8 or top 10 protection.

But, what we really need to see is some salary relief. If HOU wants to dump their worst contract on us, we need to be able to dump TWO of our three worst contracts in this deal. HOU and NYK need to find some way for us to dump two of Crabbe, Leonard and Turner. We already have the highest payroll in the league and are facing years of luxury tax hell - before we even sign Nurk to an extension. No way in hell do we end up even worse off just to do somebody else a favor.

Getting a 4th team involved might be needed, if the Knicks don't want Turner or Crabbe (since the just signed Tim Hardway Jr. to an offer sheet), but start with something like this:

Harkless, Leonard and Crabbe to NYK
Melo to HOU
Anderson, O'Quinn, Lance Thomas + future picks to POR

That actually almost works - and saves us $9 million in salary this year, even more going forward. HOU needs to send out another $1.6 million, but they have stockpiled a bunch of non-guaranteed contracts that don't show up in the ESPN trade machine. Send a few of those non-guaranteed contracts our way and this works - salary wise.

We give up Harkless, but get rid of two of our three worst contracts. Anderson is basically a taller, older, more injury prone, slightly better player than Crabbe on an equally hideous contract. I've been clamoring for 2-way players at the forward positions and Ryan Anderson is the definition of NOT a 2-way play. O'Quinn is. He wouldn't be starting in front of the $20 million man, but at least he'd be a HUGE, absolutely FREAKING HUGE upgrade over Meyers Leonard as a back up C/PF. And, he's cheap and in the last year of his contract. Lance Thomas takes Mo's roster spot. He doesn't shoot a lot of 3-pointers, but has a career 3FG% of .410 and shot .447 3FG% last season. Between him and Anderson, we would easily replace Crabbe's and (cough, cough) Leonard's 3-point shooting.

The obvious snag, and I suspect what's holding this up, is the Knicks are waiting to see if ATL matched their offer sheet to Tim Hardaway Jr. If ATL matches, no problem, the Knicks take Crabbe. If ATL doesn't match, a 4th team will be necessary that either wants Crabbe, or at least has the cap space to absorb his contract.

BNM

 

[Wizard Mentor]

This sounds like a fantasy, but I hope you're right!!

I already said this 20-some pages ago, but since this is heating up again...

We are doing both HOU and NYK a BIG favor here and deserve to be compensated, not screwed. HOU WANTS Carmelo. Forum opinions aside, they view him as the third piece of their Big 3 with Harden and CP3. NYK WANTS to move Carmelo. They want to move him so they can fully commit to a youth movement, rebuilding around Porzingis. Melo wants this (and will waive him no trade clause) and the HOU players want this. Everybody wants this and is looking for us to help make it happen.

Obviously, HOU NEEDS move Ryan Anderson's contract to make room for Carmelo's contract. Plus, HOU will play Melo at PF, which would make Anderson a $20+ million back up for the next three years (if they could actually keep him, which they can't).

NYK WANTS Harkless. He's a starter, he's young, he's on a reasonable contract, he's from NY.

Any trade that has us giving up Harkless and taking on Anderson's contract NEEDS to give us something more - significantly more. We would be giving up the youngest player in the deal and the only one on a reasonable contract. We would also be taking on HOU's worst contract.

This is a business, not a charity. We need to get something other than a smile, a pat on the back and a shitty contract out of it. Start with at least one future 1st round pick, and even that's not enough. HOU already owes their 2018 first round pick to ATL (top 3 protected). We need to squeeze them for their 2020 first round pick. We also need to squeeze a pick out of the Knicks. They'll want to lottery protect it. I'd push back for a top 8 or top 10 protection.

But, what we really need to see is some salary relief. If HOU wants to dump their worst contract on us, we need to be able to dump TWO of our three worst contracts in this deal. HOU and NYK need to find some way for us to dump two of Crabbe, Leonard and Turner. We already have the highest payroll in the league and are facing years of luxury tax hell - before we even sign Nurk to an extension. No way in hell do we end up even worse off just to do somebody else a favor.

Getting a 4th team involved might be needed, if the Knicks don't want Turner or Crabbe (since the just signed Tim Hardway Jr. to an offer sheet), but start with something like this:

Harkless, Leonard and Crabbe to NYK
Melo to HOU
Anderson, O'Quinn, Lance Thomas + future picks to POR

That actually almost works - and saves us $9 million in salary this year, even more going forward. HOU needs to send out another $1.6 million, but they have stockpiled a bunch of non-guaranteed contracts that don't show up in the ESPN trade machine. Send a few of those non-guaranteed contracts our way and this works - salary wise.

We give up Harkless, but get rid of two of our three worst contracts. Anderson is basically a taller, older, more injury prone, slightly better player than Crabbe on an equally hideous contract. I've been clamoring for 2-way players at the forward positions and Ryan Anderson is the definition of NOT a 2-way play. O'Quinn is. He wouldn't be starting in front of the $20 million man, but at least he'd be a HUGE, absolutely FREAKING HUGE upgrade over Meyers Leonard as a back up C/PF. And, he's cheap and in the last year of his contract. Lance Thomas takes Mo's roster spot. He doesn't shoot a lot of 3-pointers, but has a career 3FG% of .410 and shot .447 3FG% last season. Between him and Anderson, we would easily replace Crabbe's and (cough, cough) Leonard's 3-point shooting.

The obvious snag, and I suspect what's holding this up, is the Knicks are waiting to see if ATL matched their offer sheet to Tim Hardaway Jr. If ATL matches, no problem, the Knicks take Crabbe. If ATL doesn't match, a 4th team will be necessary that either wants Crabbe, or at least has the cap space to absorb his contract.

BNM

 

[e_blazer]

I'm calling this one DOA

Dumb On Announcement?

 

[santeesioux]

It's been mentioned before, but the Realgm Knick board is terrible, this a trade they're kicking around like it would have a chance:

POR out: harkless, turner, 2018 1st
POR in: anderson, gordon, NYK 2018 2nd

 

[BigGameDamian]

OK, time to pull in a 4th team to unload Crabbe...

BNM

Detroit Pistons?

 

[blue9]

It's been mentioned before, but the Realgm Knick board is terrible, this a trade they're kicking around like it would have a chance:

POR out: harkless, turner, 2018 1st
POR in: anderson, gordon, NYK 2018 2nd

Why on earth are we sending out a 1st?

 

[Boob-No-More]

How do the Rockets appease Anderson????

I suspect what he's really upset about is the tax situation. He just signed a big contract with HOU last summer to play in a state with no state income tax, now he is possibly being moved to a team in a state with 9% state income tax. He's basically being forced to take a 4.5% (41 home games) pay cut.

But, that's his own fucking fault. He should have made HOU include a trade kicker in his contract, the way Crabbe did with BRK. That extra 15% would have more than made up for the tax situation.

So, I suspect HOU is trying to come up with some creative way to make Anderson financially whole. They can't just give him an extra 4.5%. So, I wonder if they are working with his agent to find him a nice "endorsement" deal or maybe a sizable donation to the charity of his choice in his name, or something. Does he have a Ryan Anderson Foundation for Underprivileged White Kids? If not, he should start one, with a little help from his current employer, Hell. if he comes to Portland, he could make his teammate Zach Collins his first beneficiary. I'm sure Jason Quick could write a nice article about how Ryan helped Zach overcome the lingering emotional scars of being lactose intolerant and on a gluten free diet while attending a private school.

BNM

 

[Sweetriverphil]

Why on earth are we sending out a 1st?

Technically speaking, the 31st pick is better than the 30th because of salary issues. So, it works out for us

 

[Trackjack]

Well if Crabbe is involved the trade going have to wait until 15 of July.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

How about your buddy J. Quick Any inside info you can get for the forum?

You actually think Quick has any inside info?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Why on earth are we sending out a 1st?

That seems like a minor detail in the grand scheme of things. I assume it would be protected, so is our 1st and NY's 2nd that far off if we added Gordon and Anderson? I would guess about 10- 12 spots in the draft.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

I suspect what he's really upset about is the tax situation. He just signed a big contract with HOU last summer to play in a state with no state income tax, now he is possibly being moved to a team in a state with 9% state income tax. He's basically being forced to take a 4.5% (41 home games) pay cut.

But, that's his own fucking fault. He should have made HOU include a trade kicker in his contract, the way Crabbe did with BRK. That extra 15% would have more than made up for the tax situation.

So, I suspect HOU is trying to come up with some creative way to make Anderson financially whole. They can't just give him an extra 4.5%. So, I wonder if they are working with his agent to find him a nice "endorsement" deal or maybe a sizable donation to the charity of his choice in his name, or something. Does he have a Ryan Anderson Foundation for Underprivileged White Kids? If not, he should start one, with a little help from his current employer, Hell. if he comes to Portland, he could make his teammate Zach Collins his first beneficiary. I'm sure Jason Quick could write a nice article about how Ryan helped Zach overcome the lingering emotional scars of being lactose intolerant and on a gluten free diet while attending a private school.

BNM

Why would Houston care what Anderson thinks about any potential trade destination?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Attention People of This Forum: Please stop proposing trade scenarios that include Eric Gordon to Portland. It's never going to happen, not in a million years. Neil Olshey is not going to trade for a player that called him a liar and unprofessional in the press. Eric Gordon wants nothing to do with any team that employs Neil Olshey and the feeling is mutual. Know your history people...

BNM

 

[tester551]

Well if Crabbe is involved the trade going have to wait until 15 of July.

Only if he is sent to Brooklyn. Crabbe can be traded to any one of the other 28 teams today.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Why would Houston care what Anderson thinks about any potential trade destination?

I don't know, perhaps to stay on good terms with his agent??? I wasn't the one that claimed the deal was being held up because Anderson doesn't want to come to POR and HOU was trying to appease him. I was just replying to that comment.

BNM

 

[dviss1]

RA will be just fine on this team. He has a skill we sorely lacked last year from his position. (Nurk will cover for him at the rim defensively)

Vonleh hopefully will make a big step this season, if not we have a few youngins waiting for their opportunity.

I would hate to lose hark, but if we can get some picks in the deal we can salvage this off season. I just don't want a panic move just to make a move. Patience is the key when teams are scrambling to beat the W'S. Because we can't...yet.

Paul George isn't a lock to go to HCP'S team. We need to put ourselves in a position to at least take a shot at him in free agency next year.

Sooooo let's bring in RA's HORRIBLE contract and that's gonna help? Yeah... No...

 

[PDXFonz]

I don't know, perhaps to stay on good terms with his agent??? I wasn't the one that claimed the deal was being held up because Anderson doesn't want to come to POR and HOU was trying to appease him. I was just replying to that comment.

BNM

Haven't we learned by now that "being on good terms with agents" doesn't really mean anything. Now matter how many of their clients you pay, never seems to translate in becoming a destination for a different client.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Attention People of This Forum: Please stop proposing trade scenarios that include Eric Gordon to Portland. It's never going to happen, not in a million years. Neil Olshey is not going to trade for a player that called him a liar and unprofessional in the press. Eric Gordon wants nothing to do with any team that employs Neil Olshey and the feeling is mutual. Know your history people...

BNM

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/eric-gordon-clippers-lied-about-trade-to-hornets/#XWUSgcY9QY4jktV7.97

 

[tester551]

One of the Knicks forum had a rumor that they'd get Turner + Harkless + 1st (from Houston).
If that's the case, I'd be OK with this trade:

 

[Boob-No-More]

Well if Crabbe is involved the trade going have to wait until 15 of July.

Not true. BRK submitted their offer sheet on 7/8/2016. The trade restriction expired one year later on 7/8/2017. We are now free to trade Allen Crabbe - if we can convince someone to take him.

BNM

 

[blue9]

Technically speaking, the 31st pick is better than the 30th because of salary issues. So, it works out for us

The 18th pick is MUCH more valuable than the 31st pick. Maybe NYK is the worst team in the league next year, but we definitely won't be the best.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Haven't we learned by now that "being on good terms with agents" doesn't really mean anything. Now matter how many of their clients you pay, never seems to translate in becoming a destination for a different client.

I was not stating it as a fact. That's why I included the three question marks at the end of that sentence.

Again, I was not the one that claimed HOU was trying to "appease" Ryan Anderson. I was just responding to someone else's post that said they were.

BNM

 

[Pinwheel1]

Attention People of This Forum: Please stop proposing trade scenarios that include Eric Gordon to Portland. It's never going to happen, not in a million years. Neil Olshey is not going to trade for a player that called him a liar and unprofessional in the press. Eric Gordon wants nothing to do with any team that employs Neil Olshey and the feeling is mutual. Know your history people...

BNM

Yeah I remember saying the exact same thing about Lebron going back to Cleveland.....

 

[Boob-No-More]

Yeah I remember saying the exact same thing about Lebron going back to Cleveland.....

Yeah, pretty sure those two things are not the same.

POR is not Eric Gordon's home town. He will not get to hand select his teammates. He's not the best payer on the planet, etc.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

Not true. BRK submitted their offer sheet on 7/8/2016. The trade restriction expired one year later on 7/8/2017. We are now free to trade Allen Crabbe - if we can convince someone to take him.

BNM

What trade restriction? The only team we couldn't trade him to was Brooklyn.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Yeah, pretty sure those two things are not the same.

POR is not Eric Gordon's home town. He will not get to hand select his teammates. He's not the best payer on the planet, etc.

BNM

I am strictly talking about the HATE. Time tend to heal old wounds. He is older and hopefully more mature now.

 

[Boob-No-More]

What trade restriction? The only team we couldn't trade him to was Brooklyn.

Because we matched BRK's offer sheet to retain Crabbe, he automatically had a no trade clause that allowed him to veto any trade to any team (not just BRK) for 1 year from the date of the BRK offer.

It wasn't built into the offer sheet (like the 15% trade kicker). It's part of the CBA and applies to any RFA whose team matches an offer sheet from another team.

BNM

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Boob-No-More]

I am strictly talking about the HATE. Time tend to heal old wounds. He is older and hopefully more mature now.

Totally different situation. LeBron never talked shit about the CLE front office or owner. Gordon publicly trashed Olshey and was still pissed at Olshey two years after the CP3 trade.

BNM