The super Melo to Portland thread + The Big Blockbuster

[BBert]

The Knicks have O'Quinn, Plumlee and Noah at Center. And I guess Porzingis (does he really play center?). I would pencil in Noah to be injured, Plumlee's not great, O'Quinn is a fine backup. I think the Knicks should take Meyers and another player not named Harkless to make salaries work, and either send us O'Quinn or Plumlee if they think they are overloaded at center, or just keep them all and let them fight it out for playing time. Come on new guy. Let's make a deal.

 

[dviss1]

Or the new Knicks GM is telling Carmelo: "I know you want to go to the Rockets or Cavs, but they've got nobody to trade that anybody wants. I mean, c'mon, do you really think someone's going to take Ryan Frickin' Anderson's albatross of a contract just to help you move to Houston? I've got an offer on the table from Portland that I can live with so it's your choice: play in Portland with Lillard, McCollum, and Nurkic or play out your contract in a Knicks uniform."

I'll tell you what:

I'd take Carmelo at the 4 before RA.

 

[Scalma]

Or the new Knicks GM is telling Carmelo: "I know you want to go to the Rockets or Cavs, but they've got nobody to trade that anybody wants. I mean, c'mon, do you really think someone's going to take Ryan Frickin' Anderson's albatross of a contract just to help you move to Houston? I've got an offer on the table from Portland that I can live with so it's your choice: play in Portland with Lillard, McCollum, and Nurkic or play out your contract in a Knicks uniform."

This really would be easier if he'd accept a move to Portland.

 

[Natebishop3]

It totally fucked him up but he needed to get over that shit. NEVER let a woman get between you and your bread...
Besides... She's cute but looks like 50 other random white girls with flat butts. You're a millionaire! Go get some!!

Dude... that's McKayla Maroney.... I highly doubt that Hibbert hit that.

Edit - also, that pic was taken in 2012, so she was 17 years old.

 

[Natebishop3]

This was his fiancee.

 

[riverman]

This stuck trade must be doing wonders for Meyers confidence, but he believes in himself even if no NBA GM seems to

 

[Natebishop3]

This stuck trade must be doing wonders for Meyers confidence, but he believes in himself even if no NBA GM seems to

Does he though?

 

[BBert]

I'll tell you what:

I'd take Carmelo at the 4 before RA.

Yeah, I was on the No No No train regarding Carmelo to Portland. Until they wanted to give us Anderson. Now...maybe let's talk about it.

Carmelo isn't exactly a defensive dynamo either. Can he even play without the ball in his hands? At least Anderson doesn't need the ball, and when he gets it he'll either shoot or pass, no fooling around. But Carmelo is so much better. In late clock situations, you know you can give it to Carmelo, or CJ, or Dame, and they can create something. So there's that. Both contracts are bad, but Carmelo's is worse, but not for as long? (I forget.)

I'll check with my scouts and my stats guy and get back to you

 

[blue9]

I don't agree with you here. In Stotts system Hibbert IMO would have done well. Hawes too. And we all know he wasn't really targeting Parsons.

I understood Hibbert. I thought we were overpaying, but I understood it - I don't put this in either the "pro" or "con" column. Hawes I thought was awful and we lucked out when he went elsewhere and had to settle for Kaman (who I thought was a much better player than Hawes). Who knows what the truth is on Parsons - I'd like to believe that we told him to sign with MEM, but I'm not sure. Dorrel Wright sucked. Ed, Aminu, Turner are all underwhelming at best. Monroe was another bullet dodged. Ezeli was a gamble with a very small likelihood of paying off. Kanter would have been a Hibbert-like move. Putting all his eggs in LA's free agency was dumb - in the end he's lucky LA walked, but he should have gotten assets for him before it got to that point. Basically, Neil's free agency transactions are overwhelmingly bad IMO...and that opinion doesn't hang on Hibbert at all.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Not that the Blazers are involved in this at all, but this configuration of a NYK-HOU-CLE deal would make sense to me.

• Knicks would feel like they're upgrading at a couple spots and would have a temporary placeholder for 'Melo.
• Cavs significantly increase their perimeter shooting, and have a cheap replacement for Thompson
• Houston gets Carmelo and gets Frye to basically replace Anderson.

 

[blue9]

I'll tell you what:

I'd take Carmelo at the 4 before RA.

Absolutely!

 

[Reep]

Besides... She's cute but looks like 50 other random white girls with flat butts.

Fail:

 

[blue9]

This was his fiancee.

I think you just proved dviss' point...

 

[Reep]

Not that the Blazers are involved in this at all, but this configuration of a NYK-HOU-CLE deal would make sense to me.

• Knicks would feel like they're upgrading at a couple spots and would have a temporary placeholder for 'Melo.
• Cavs significantly increase their perimeter shooting, and have a cheap replacement for Thompson
• Houston gets Carmelo and gets Frye to basically replace Anderson.

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Why would Cleveland help Houston get better? I guess you could argue that a better Houston would challenge GS and you are going to end up facing GS anyway.

 

[SwissBlazer]

I'm willing to bet that this is the trade that Neil is trying to make (with us also getting a pick.)

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycbkw8rh

It sucks because we lose Harkless, but I think Neil is willing to sacrifice Harkless to get rid of Meyers.

YES PLEASE

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Why would Cleveland help Houston get better? I guess you could argue that a better Houston would challenge GS and you are going to end up facing GS anyway.

Only if they thought adding Anderson would make their offense even more efficient, and possibly for the upgrade of Lee's perimeter shooting over Shumpert's.

Also, perhaps they might think that Carmelo doesn't actually make the Rockets better.

 

[Trackjack]

This. He needs to just find a team that would take Butters. IMO Aminu, Davis, and Crabbe are all moveable.

That what I would do but I fill we are stuck with Leonard. Other teams don't seeing him help them and especially with 3 years left on his contract. If he had only 1 year there might be flier but not 3.

 

[RR7]

Man, this thread, like monta, have it all.
Outlaw vs. Webster, anyone?

 

[AFully22]

I honestly wonder if Neil wasn't throwing a wrench in the deal to try and get NY to engage CLE on a deal for Love again. The more I look into it I just don't see a realistic trade involving NY/HOU that would make much sense at all for us.

We've scratched CLE back a couple times, if CLE decides they are willing to move Love for Melo, maybe Neil can convince CLE to return the favor and only participate in the 3 team deal if it involves us. Doesn't matter to CLE anyways. And NY would get a much better return from us if Love was on his way back to Lake O Big Ego. Hark, ED, Vonleh and a second rd pick would work, and pretty good return for NY.

CLE just needs to wisely decide that they aren't going to beat GSW with the exact same team as last year, after GSW got arguably better... again. Trading for Melo would create a much better small ball lineup w/ Melo or Lebron at the 4 instead of Love. At least it's something different.

Given the options presented I would say this would be best case scenario.

 

[Natebishop3]

I honestly wonder if Neil wasn't throwing a wrench in the deal to try and get NY to engage CLE on a deal for Love again. The more I look into it I just don't see a realistic trade involving NY/HOU that would make much sense at all for us.

We've scratched CLE back a couple times, if CLE decides they are willing to move Love for Melo, maybe Neil can convince CLE to return the favor and only participate in the 3 team deal if it involves us. Doesn't matter to CLE anyways. And NY would get a much better return from us if Love was on his way back to Lake O Big Ego. Hark, ED, Vonleh and a second rd pick would work, and pretty good return for NY.

CLE just needs to wisely decide that they aren't going to beat GSW with the exact same team as last year, after GSW got arguably better... again. Trading for Melo would create a much better small ball lineup w/ Melo or Lebron at the 4 instead of Love. At least it's something different.

Given the options presented I would say this would be best case scenario.

That's something that I was wondering as well. I would MUCH rather have Love.

Dame
CJ
Turner?Aminu?Crabbe?
Love
Nurk

That's a pretty good team right there.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Evidently the parameters of the deal are done. My guess is the knicks wanted to put it on hold to make it seem like Perry had a say in it. I'd be surprised if it wasn't finalized after the weekend or some similar timeline.

Should we just make the "Welcome to Portland Ryan Anderson" thread now?

 

[Scalma]

Should we just make the "Welcome to Portland Ryan Anderson" thread now?

Good luck with that thread lol

 

[e_blazer]

Honest question: Is Carmelo good enough anymore to be worth all of this bother?

 

[Natebishop3]

Honest question: Is Carmelo good enough anymore to be worth all of this bother?

No.

 

[Minstrel]

Honest question: Is Carmelo good enough anymore to be worth all of this bother?

Easy answer: no. But apparently Morey wants more famous names.

 

[andalusian]

I am willing to bet the 'Melo will be fantastic as your secondary scorer, 3rd best player. Sort of like how good Ray Allen was in Boston next to PP and KG.

 

[Natebishop3]

I am willing to bet the 'Melo will be fantastic as your secondary scorer, 3rd best player. Sort of like how good Ray Allen was in Boston next to PP and KG.

Only if he's willing to be the third banana. Ray Allen was a much better teammate.

 

[AFully22]

Easy answer: no. But apparently Morey wants more famous names.

That Houston situation eerily reminds me of the "This going to be fun!" Lakers team with Nash, Kobe, and Dwight.

 

[dviss1]

I understood Hibbert. I thought we were overpaying, but I understood it - I don't put this in either the "pro" or "con" column. Hawes I thought was awful and we lucked out when he went elsewhere and had to settle for Kaman (who I thought was a much better player than Hawes). Who knows what the truth is on Parsons - I'd like to believe that we told him to sign with MEM, but I'm not sure. Dorrel Wright sucked. Ed, Aminu, Turner are all underwhelming at best. Monroe was another bullet dodged. Ezeli was a gamble with a very small likelihood of paying off. Kanter would have been a Hibbert-like move. Putting all his eggs in LA's free agency was dumb - in the end he's lucky LA walked, but he should have gotten assets for him before it got to that point. Basically, Neil's free agency transactions are overwhelmingly bad IMO...and that opinion doesn't hang on Hibbert at all.

You can't hold that over NO's head when TT fucking lied his ass off.

 

[dviss1]

Fail:

You can't tell photoshop when you see it?