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Should the Blazers puruse Carmelo Anthony?

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I would do that. Melo is still a good 3rd option on a team and having a 3x champion like Wade would be valuable to us around playoff time.
Makes too much sense. I think Wade would be fine playing 26-28mpg off the bench, conserving his health until playoff time. If not, I wouldn't mind starting Wade and Carmelo at the 2 and 3, and bringing CJ off the bench for 33-35 minutes per game.
 
Everyone says that I don't send out enough in trade ideas, so I've been sending out more lately.

Would you trade Collins and Turner straight up for Wade if it meant Melo could waive his no trade clause and we could go forth with Davis, Leonard, Napier, and Harkless for Melo and O'Quinn?

The future savings is a big part of why I'd take this risk.

No
 
Makes too much sense. I think Wade would be fine playing 26-28mpg off the bench, conserving his health until playoff time. If not, I wouldn't mind starting Wade and Carmelo at the 2 and 3, and bringing CJ off the bench for 33-35 minutes per game.
I think Wade knows he isn't a starter on a good playoff team anymore. He's still valuable but is more suitable as an elite 6th man.
 
Would y'all do this if getting Wade meant Carmelo would wave his no trade clause?

Trade 1:
CHI Gets: Evan Turner, Zach Collins, Lotto Protected 2020 1st, Right to Swap 2021 1sts.
POR Gets: Dwayne Wade

Trade 2:
NYK Gets: Harkless, Davis, Leonard, Napier, Lotto Protected 2018 1st
POR Gets: Anthony, O'Quinn

Lillard (35) / McCollum (13)
McCollum (22) / Wade (26)
Anthony (20) / Crabbe (25) / Wade (3)
Aminu (26) / Swanigan (12) / Anthony (10)
Nurkic (32) / O'Quinn (16) / Vonleh

If Wade and Carmelo left, that would leave Crabbe as the only big, bad contract. Trade him (and it would be easy if he has 2 years left), and we'd have a lot of cap space to add to Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, Aminu, Swanigan, and Vonleh.
No. See my trade posts. These are aging vets that won't re-sign here. Wasting 1st rounder on them is stupid. Neither player is that good anymore - not enough to hang with GSW, and probably not good enough to hang with OKC or HOU. I do think it'd be a fun way to reduce salary and go all-in this season - but giving up draft picks for these has-beens would be dumb. You're WAY too quick to give away assets for crap.
 
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I just don't see any way we could get Wade without giving up Collins.

Also, if we get Wade I want him to play next to Crabbe instead of Turner, because Wade struggles to shoot. That means sending out E.T. in the deal. Chicago could be willing to take on Turner's contract, as Turner is from there, they need a SF and a veteran presence, and we could compensate them. However, they have Markkanen and Portis as PFs of the future, so I don't see them being all that interested in Vonleh or Swanigan. At C, they only have Lopez and Felicio, so I think they would be high on Collins. A Markkanen/Collins frontcout could be absolutely dynamite for Chicago in the coming years, and they'd be a good fit for a PG in Dunn, as Dunn is a non-shooter.

If it takes less picks, I'd probably do it if it meant Carmelo coming to town. We'd be old but it would be an extremely fun year and a fun low risk gamble. It's low risk because we'd be able to shed salary and both Melo and Wade are expiring (Melo has a player option).

For as much as I like Collins, I think that I'd use him as compensation in order to swap Turner and Wade.

Why in the holy fuck would we want to do that for 35 y/o wade for one year? Whatever youre smoking has gone to your head! its not 2008 anymore come back to reality
 
It totally depends on the time and location . . . but, Portland can be as bad or worse on the main bottle-necks. You notice it more when you come from somewhere with no traffic. I'm lucky that I live NW of LA and rarely have to go into town.
The farthest south I traveled was the south end of downtown. I suspect that much of the shit occurs south of downtown? I did drive during evening rush hour on a few occasions - but again downtown to Echo Park and Venice to EP. All in all, I had a very pleasant time down there!
 
I get where you are coming from, but that is a huge risk upfront to try and win next season. After that it tails off quickly.

I would rather take my chance a few years down the road when Nurk and ZCo start their window and Dame and CJ are are in the middle of their peak.
I don't think it's a risk at all. The only potentially good NBA player we'd lose in those two trades is Collins.

Plus, the savings. Crabbe will be tradeable next season.

There's 3 good scenarios that could play out in the summer of 2018.
From the best possible (and unrealistic) scenario to the least best (assuming Nurk has a cap hold and is waiting to be resigned)

1.) Melo and Wade like playing here together. We trade Crabbe and Aminu so that Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, Vonleh, and Swanigan are making $60M-ish. After a very competitive season, Melo and Wade are willing to resign for cheap, $7M contracts. That leaves around $30M in cap space. Lebron is a free agent, and looking at a group of Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, and his buddies in Wade and Carmelo, Lebron decides to sign with Portland, giving us this:

Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Wade
Lebron / Carmelo
Vonleh / Swanigan
Nurkic / Vet FA.

2.) Melo and Wade resigns for $15M a piece, putting us over the salary cap. We then make a sign-and-trade for a big time free agent (Crabbe, Aminu, and a pick), or trade Crabbe, Aminu, Swanigan, and future 1sts for a legit all-star.

3.) Melo and Wade leave, we resign Nurkic and sign cheap veteran pieces to replace Wade and Melo on 1 year deals. We'd have our sights set the summer of 2019, and using Crabbe's expiring deal along with pieces like Vonleh, Biggie, and future picks to trade (S&T) for an all-star.

Basically, I don't think you can go wrong by adding more talent, especially house-hold names, to a small-market team while also creating future flexibility and more options for building a contender down the road.
 
Links. I don't believe you. 99.9% of your trades send out FAR too much.
I'm not going to dive for it, but I'm telling the truth. Most fans are biased and thinks their team shouldn't have to give up as much as their team would realistically have to part with to make any kind of trade happen.

So I guess I'll try to find the middle ground where people have actual debates on both sides of certain ideas.
 
Wade does not have a lot of value right now. He's lame duck in Chicago. I they get any resources for him, they'll likely take them.
 
Nobody thinks your trades are good. Consensus is that Wade and Melo have little value - if either had value someone would have already traded for them. Melo's value goes down every single day a deal isn't made - at this point we shouldn't even need to give up Harkless to get him since neither HOU nor CLE have anyone better than Crabbe to trade for him. Wade never had value to begin with.
You really think we could get Wade and Melo for free? Are you out of your mind?

Wade has value if it helps us land Carmelo. Trading away Turner's albatross of a contract has value for us as well. That value equals trading away Collins to swap Turner for Wade, in order for Carmelo to want to come here. And I'm a huge Collins fan.

Take away the picks from the trade then. I think that's fair for both sides. Collins+ET for Wade... Harkless+Napier+Davis+Leonard for Carmelo+O'Quinn. Would you not do that?
 
Wade does not have a lot of value right now. He's lame duck in Chicago. I they get any resources for him, they'll likely take them.
The only reason I'd advocate getting him is I think he'd be the difference between Carmelo being a Blazer or not. Basically, getting Wade would mean we'd be able to get a good player without giving up anything valuable in terms of assets. I wouldn't trade Turner and Collins for Wade if Carmelo would still decide not to come to Portland. I just think that one of his best friends plus our overall talent would be a tipping point.
 
Butters is in LA! Maybe he's meeting and talking with..... No. Nah, that doesn't work at all....
He's down there trying to get a shoe endorsement deal with L.A. Gear. Be on the lookout for the new Air Biebs.
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I can't believe those clowns don't think CJ is worthy of being considered part of a "big 3" or that he's not a star.

This isn't against scrubs, that's 3 really good defensive players.



I'm willing to bet there are 0 highlights of Harden schooling 3 well above average defenders like this...
 
Just a thought, maybe Dame is in LA before going to Vegas to rep the team.
 
Why in the holy fuck would we want to do that for 35 y/o wade for one year? Whatever youre smoking has gone to your head! its not 2008 anymore come back to reality
I've explained why numerous times...

To shed Turners contract and to get Melo.
 
I've explained why numerous times...

To shed Turners contract and to get Melo.

For essentially 2 first round picks + turner -- yeah, that's a dumbass move I bet that's probably why youve had to explain yourself to the rest of the rational world.
 
I have a great idea let's always take simple trades and see how unrealistically complicated we can make it.
Getting noticeably better isn't a simple process. If Melo didn't have a NTC, some mediocre team would give yo way too much. Since he does have one, he can be had for cheap by any team he wants to go to. The trick is to get him to want to come here.

It's a complicated situation.
 
If Melo wants to come here right now, I wouldn't trade ET+Collins for Wade.
 
For essentially 2 first round picks + turner -- yeah, that's a dumbass move I bet that's probably why youve had to explain yourself to the rest of the rational world.
You're looking at it without context. I would do that move if it meant Melo would waive his NTC for us, because we'd have to trade so little to get Melo, and in the end, giving up a little too much for Wade is fine of we barely have to give up anything for Melo.

You're calling yourself rational but you're failing to look at the context of my statements. Be better.
 
You're looking at it without context. I would do that move if it meant Melo would waive his NTC for us, because we'd have to trade so little to get Melo, and in the end, giving up a little too much for Wade is fine of we barely have to give up anything for Melo.

You're calling yourself rational but you're failing to look at the context of my statements. Be better.

We all know the damn context Youre still trading first round picks for D-wade that is not rational
 
You're looking at it without context. I would do that move if it meant Melo would waive his NTC for us, because we'd have to trade so little to get Melo, and in the end, giving up a little too much for Wade is fine of we barely have to give up anything for Melo.

You're calling yourself rational but you're failing to look at the context of my statements. Be better.

Be better at making trade scenarios
 

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