The super Melo to Portland thread + The Big Blockbuster (2 Viewers)

[Scalma]

Why would Woj say it if it wasnt true? He is usually very dependable and in the know.

What woj said is open to interpretation.

 

[dviss1]

Why would Woj say it if it wasnt true? He is usually very dependable and in the know.

Read it again and read between the lines.

http://www.kgw.com/sports/nba/blaze...-not-considering-portland-right-now/457448196

"but right now, that's not something Melo's considering."

 

[riverman]

Woj has gone over to the ESPN corporate side of the NBA....I liked him better with Yahoo....I liked Tas Melas and Skeets better when they were a duo on Yahoo too....

 

[Schilly]

So this is how this whole thing breaks down from here from how I am reading it.

Melo is done in New York, he will not be back, right now his focus is on wanting to be in Houston, who doesn't have the assets to trade for Melo. Ultimately NY is not obligated to trade him at all, so Melo will have to choose to stay in New York, which he likely won't, or he will have to settle for another option aside from Houston. Via Tweets the only 2 teams showing interest beyond Houston are Phoenix and Portland. I doubt Phoenix really puts much effort in as they wouldn't want to give up any of their young guys who look very promising.

So based on Twitter, subjective speculation and hunches. Melo will need to choose between Portland and New York.

 

[Natebishop3]

So this is how this whole thing breaks down from here from how I am reading it.

Melo is done in New York, he will not be back, right now his focus is on wanting to be in Houston, who doesn't have the assets to trade for Melo. Ultimately NY is not obligated to trade him at all, so Melo will have to choose to stay in New York, which he likely won't, or he will have to settle for another option aside from Houston. Via Tweets the only 2 teams showing interest beyond Houston are Phoenix and Portland. I doubt Phoenix really puts much effort in as they wouldn't want to give up any of their young guys who look very promising.

So based on Twitter, subjective speculation and hunches. Melo will need to choose between Portland and New York.

NY has to make him believe that they're willing to sit on him if he doesn't open up his list.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Why is this still a thread?

 

[Natebishop3]

Why is this still a thread?

Because there's nothing else to talk about.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Why is this still a thread?

Why are most of our threads "threads"? Because we keep them going, even when the conversation has nothing to do with the title.

We're all ADD.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Why is this still a thread?

I was told it doesn't matter.

BNM

 

[riverman]

Why is this still a thread?

It's hanging on by a thread!

 

[riverman]

Why are most of our threads "threads"? Because we keep them going, even when the conversation has nothing to do with the title.

We're all ADD.

White wine sucks!

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

White wine sucks!

So do you!

For the record, I sell red, white, and rose (and sparkling and sparkling rose).

 

[Scalma]

Why is this still a thread?

Why'd you open it?

 

[blue9]

I think he wants to build more value with trade pieces and wait until the deadline to do any salary dump...selling low on 10 million or 18 million dollar players isn't the smartest thing to do....if Crabbe or Leonard make any showing of improvement...we'll get more bang for our buck in a trade...we don't really have cap space to be players in the trade market since the draft

Hey - we agree on something!

Neither Crabbe's nor Meyers' value can decrease at this point - it can only go up (barring the unmentionable "i" word). Add to that the likelihood that both Vonleh and Harkless should at least play as well as they did last season, and likely improve (at least with Vonleh improvement is likely - Hark might plateau). These are four assets whose value will either stay the same or increase once the season starts. Seems the smarter move is to wait and hope for increased value for an increased return.

My hope is that NOP falls apart early and some of our under-performing players see marked improvement. Dame gets in A.Davis' ear to request a trade. Now, I've already seen mentions that BOS is hoping for this scenario, and will try to trade for Davis. And they DO have some good trade bait - but the way their contracts are set up they'll have to trade half their rotation to get Davis. Will they go that far? Maybe. But we have a variety of ways to make a decent trade package including some combo of Hark+Vonleh as the main course, plus Aminu/Davis as a side dish, and Collins/Swanigan/picks as an appetizer. Take this, for example, with a pick included - Hark under contract at a very reasonable rate, Vonleh under team-control as RFA, Davis as salary relief, and a first round pick.


It's thoughts of what might be available in the future that keep me from wanting to toss away assets for asshats like Melo. If Crabbe, Meyers, oh shit I forgot about Turner!, and Vonleh play better - and let's face it, it'd be hard for them not to - then that just creates more trade package combinations to help land a real difference-maker.

 

[blue9]

Conversely, look at what BOS would have to trade just to make contracts match - do you think they'd do this? Seems like they'd be awfully thin, and in no better position to knock off CLE.

 

[Natebishop3]

You guys are trying to trade piles of shit for arguably the best power forward in the game.

 

[ripcityboy]

Some Thread Theme Music....

 

[Boob-No-More]

Hey - we agree on something!

Neither Crabbe's nor Meyers' value can decrease at this point - it can only go up (barring the unmentionable "i" word). Add to that the likelihood that both Vonleh and Harkless should at least play as well as they did last season, and likely improve (at least with Vonleh improvement is likely - Hark might plateau). These are four assets whose value will either stay the same or increase once the season starts. Seems the smarter move is to wait and hope for increased value for an increased return.

My hope is that NOP falls apart early and some of our under-performing players see marked improvement. Dame gets in A.Davis' ear to request a trade. Now, I've already seen mentions that BOS is hoping for this scenario, and will try to trade for Davis. And they DO have some good trade bait - but the way their contracts are set up they'll have to trade half their rotation to get Davis. Will they go that far? Maybe. But we have a variety of ways to make a decent trade package including some combo of Hark+Vonleh as the main course, plus Aminu/Davis as a side dish, and Collins/Swanigan/picks as an appetizer. Take this, for example, with a pick included - Hark under contract at a very reasonable rate, Vonleh under team-control as RFA, Davis as salary relief, and a first round pick.
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It's thoughts of what might be available in the future that keep me from wanting to toss away assets for asshats like Melo. If Crabbe, Meyers, oh shit I forgot about Turner!, and Vonleh play better - and let's face it, it'd be hard for them not to - then that just creates more trade package combinations to help land a real difference-maker.

Anthony Davis in Portland doesn't just move my needle, it makes it point due north. That would give us a Big 4 that could compete with anyone right now and our Big 4 would be so much younger than all the other top teams. Unfortunately, I don't see it happening.

If the Boogie experiment fails in NOP, I think he's the one they look to move. I think NOP will do everything possible to keep from losing AD.

If AD does demand a trade, I think BOS has the assets to get it done, and I don't think there is anyone on their roster, or any of their assets (including the BRK and LAL picks), that would be untouchable when it comes to landing Davis.

After missing out of the playoffs so many times in the West, I think Davis would also favor moving to BOS where, with all their young assets, he could easily make the playoffs in the East every year for the rest of his career. Hell, BOS was already the No. 1 seed in the East, without him, without Gordon Hayward and without Jayson Tatum. God, I hate Danny Ainge!

BNM

 

[dviss1]

White wine sucks!

Hey now.... Slow your role there "fisherman".... Don't be hatin' on my Pinot Grigio!!

 

[H.C.]

If Melo opens up trade options to Phoenix & Portland...
Is Brandon Knight > Harkless?
I guess it depends on Frank Ntilikina

 

[Boob-No-More]

Conversely, look at what BOS would have to trade just to make contracts match - do you think they'd do this? Seems like they'd be awfully thin, and in no better position to knock off CLE.

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Or they could just offer Al Horford and a ridiculously high draft pick or two which totally trumps anything we could offer by 1000x, unless we are open to moving one of Dame, C.J. or Nurk.

BNM

 

[Reep]

You guys are trying to trade piles of shit for arguably the best power forward in the game.

The only trade I can imagine would even be close would be CJ + Harkless (or ZCollins later) plus some picks for Davis and a bad contract. Even then I can't see it.

 

[H.C.]

Or they could just offer Al Horford and a ridiculously high draft pick or two which totally trumps anything we could offer by 1000x, unless we are open to moving one of Dame, C.J. or Nurk.

BNM

If I'm Portland, and NOP are willing to part ways with AD for Nurk + anyone outside of CJ/Lillard I don't hesitate for a second.
In fact I'd drive Nurk & his father to the airport.

 

[andalusian]

You guys are trying to trade piles of shit for arguably the best power forward in the game.

In 2011 the Los Angeles Clippers traded Eric Gordon, Aminu, Chris Kaman and a 1st for the league's best point guard. The person that collected all these trade chips was the same guy running the show in Portland now.

It is a long-shot, but NO is accumulating assets.

 

[Reep]

If I'm Portland, and NOP are willing to part ways with AD for Nurk + anyone outside of CJ/Lillard I don't hesitate for a second.
In fact I'd drive Nurk & his father to the airport.

You would trade Nurk over CJ? I'm not saying Nurk is better than CJ, but I like Dame/Davis/Nurk better than Dame/CJ/Davis.

 

[blue9]

If the Boogie experiment fails in NOP, I think he's the one they look to move. I think NOP will do everything possible to keep from losing AD.

Agreed. But in the long run, they'll lose him. Doubtful that it happens this year, or even next - but I had just read an article on how BOS is hoping to get him this season so I decided to look at how they could do it, and it just didn't seem that plausible. Granted, I just came up with a different version that's better for BOS:

 

[blue9]

But mostly my point is that there's probably going to be players available during the season that will be better trade targets than Melo - let's save our resources for better future options.

 

[BBert]

Some Thread Theme Music....

If I had a band I'd do a metal version of this song like Judas Priest or Metallica or something.

 

[H.C.]

You would trade Nurk over CJ? I'm not saying Nurk is better than CJ, but I like Dame/Davis/Nurk better than Dame/CJ/Davis.

Easily.
Trading one injury prone Center for another injury prone Center.
I'm not trading a player who has basically a clean bill of health(outside of his rookie season) for an injury prone player in Davis.

 

[Boob-No-More]

If I'm Portland, and NOP are willing to part ways with AD for Nurk + anyone outside of CJ/Lillard I don't hesitate for a second.
In fact I'd drive Nurk & his father to the airport.

And I still think BOS easily trumps that offer.

If the Boogie/AD experiment fails, I'm not sure they would want to try a Boogie/Nurk sequel. I think they'd much rather add better perimeter players to surround Boogie than add another big man that duplicates much of what he does.

Horford is a chameleon. He's a near all star level role player that fits in well and doesn't need to be "featured". But the real assets from BOS would be one or two very high draft picks, either recent (Brown or Tatum) or future (BRK or LOL pick).

BOS just has way more to offer that we do, even if we're willing to move Nurk.

BNM