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magnifier661 said:
I don't understand why people think that Aldridge's numbers have dipped? Maybe FG%, but the dude's rebounding, assists, blocks and FT% are career highs. Maybe people are just sick of seeing Aldridge on this team I guess.
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shooting%, PER
 
magnifier661 said:
I know he's playing PF in Atlanta right now; but he was a SF throughout most his career. Not saying he can still play it now; but he definitely did.
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He played it his first two years. He's been a PF the last 7 years basically.
 
MickZagger said:
I don't think he's much of an upgrade over Batum if at all. He doesn't remind me of a west coast guy at all and his age doesn't make sense with our core. He plays obnoxiously and he naturally makes more sense as a 4.

I don't like targeting Smith at all.
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me neither unless we are just stockpiling dudes like the old days
 
MickZagger said:
He had a 22 PER last year. A 19 PER this year. A stat that takes everything into account.
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But you are loving on Monroe; who also fell just as much via PER (22.09 and this year 19.29). So what's the difference? Also, Aldridge just came back from surgery this summer.
 
magnifier661 said:
I have and he's good, but he's not as good as Aldridge.
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The idea isn't to get someone as good as Aldridge, but to get three good players to fill out our roster. That's why some people like the idea of trading Aldridge. Our team has so many holes to fill right now. Our starters are solid, but our bench is the worst in the league.

Example, my dad always talked about how badly the Kiki Vandeweghe trade hurt this team.

We traded Calvin Natt, Wayne Cooper, Fat Lever, and two draft picks for Kiki.

They went from 38-44 in 1984 to 52-30 in one season. Kiki had a couple great years for us, but injured his back and was never the same again.
 
magnifier661 said:
But you are loving on Monroe; who also fell just as much via PER (22.09 and this year 19.29). So what's the difference? Also, Aldridge just came back from surgery this summer.
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Almost 6 years and not absolutely needing shots to be effective. If Aldridge isn't scoring he really isn't having a very big impact on the game.
 
magnifier661 said:
I don't understand why people think that Aldridge's numbers have dipped? Maybe FG%, but the dude's rebounding, assists, blocks and FT% are career highs. Maybe people are just sick of seeing Aldridge on this team I guess.
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Also, his minutes are close to being a career high. He's essentially duplicating the numbers he put up in the one season where he averaged more minutes - only difference seems to be better FT% but fewer FT attempts with a worse FG%.
Funny how PPG, RPG, APG, BPG, etc all seem to have some sort of weird connection to MPG...
 
Fuck the off-season. We'll burn that bridge when we come to it.
 
monroe gonna sign a max extension this offseason you think?
 
3RA1N1AC said:
monroe gonna sign a max extension this offseason you think?
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If what's his name in IND got max, then...
The thing is, DET has Drummond now - I think it's prime time to go after Monroe. Doesn't seem like they'd want to invest MAX into a position where they've got a star in the making on a rookie contract.
 
blue9 said:
If what's his name in IND got max, then...
The thing is, DET has Drummond now - I think it's prime time to go after Monroe. Doesn't seem like they'd want to invest MAX into a position where they've got a star in the making on a rookie contract.
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youd think detroit with all these stars wouldnt be 10 games under .500
 
Mediocre Man said:
You mean caution, this guy could help you win a ton of games by altering what the opponent does on offense?
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clearly all that matters is looking at his offensive numbers to judge him.
 
Natebishop3 said:
He's a good player, but a max contract player?
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I think so, with the way max contracts have changed. It's no longer the 6 year, 100 million dollar deal. 4 years, 59 million isn't the albatross type deal the old max used to be.
 
RR7 said:
I think so, with the way max contracts have changed. It's no longer the 6 year, 100 million dollar deal. 4 years, 59 million isn't the albatross type deal the old max used to be.
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Yeah, but just because the numbers have scaled down doesn't mean that the hit to the cap isn't the same. You can only have so many max guys and it's pretty obvious that Paul George is a max guy. And while his blocks are up, both his points and rebounds are down. He isn't even averaging a double double so I really don't see how the guy is worth a max contract.

Like I said, good player but I wouldn't want to pay him that much.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The idea isn't to get someone as good as Aldridge, but to get three good players to fill out our roster. That's why some people like the idea of trading Aldridge. Our team has so many holes to fill right now. Our starters are solid, but our bench is the worst in the league.

Example, my dad always talked about how badly the Kiki Vandeweghe trade hurt this team.

We traded Calvin Natt, Wayne Cooper, Fat Lever, and two draft picks for Kiki.

They went from 38-44 in 1984 to 52-30 in one season. Kiki had a couple great years for us, but injured his back and was never the same again.
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Your example actually shows why its best to get the best player (even in 5 for 1) out of any trade. The Blazers were a better team AFTER that trade than before it. We added Kiki and Bowie (rookie season - no need for snarky rehash of injury prone career) and became more balanced. And it worked for the Nuggets too.

We just need more talent. I think with Aldridge, Lillard and Batum we have really good NBA level guys at those positions. We need still a scoring option off the bench, and a tough rebounder who can defend the post. Leonard will come along some day, but not tomorrow.
 
I don't see why George would be a max, and not Hibbert on that team, though.
 
RR7 said:
I don't see why George would be a max, and not Hibbert on that team, though.
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The league has always overpaid for centers.... Dudley, Jerome James, Jim McIlvaine, etc. Doesn't mean they're "worth" a max though.

On our team there are three guys with big contracts. Aldridge, Batum, Lillard. Is Hickson a max guy? Many of us are balking at the idea of giving him 8 or 9 million.

Edited: meant to say "worth big contracts"
 
Natebishop3 said:
The league has always overpaid for centers.... Dudley, Jerome James, Jim McIlvaine, etc. Doesn't mean they're "worth" a max though.

On our team there are three guys with big contracts. Aldridge, Batum, Lillard. Is Hickson a max guy? Many of us are balking at the idea of giving him 8 or 9 million.

Edited: meant to say "worth big contracts"
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The thing is, if we had Hibbert on that max deal, he'd be slightly overpaid, while we'd be underpaying Lillard. And Hibbert's deal, as well as Batum's and Aldridge's would be gone by the time Lillard was being extended.
 
RR7 said:
The thing is, if we had Hibbert on that max deal, he'd be slightly overpaid, while we'd be underpaying Lillard. And Hibbert's deal, as well as Batum's and Aldridge's would be gone by the time Lillard was being extended.
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You mean that Nic's, LMA's and Hibbert's would all become even more expensive by the time we extend Lillard...
 
Well, it's pretty obvious to me that if Hibbert is a max guy, Hickson will be getting paid a lot more than he's worth. Hopefully we can do a sign-and-trade.
 
blue9 said:
You mean that Nic's, LMA's and Hibbert's would all become even more expensive by the time we extend Lillard...
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Maybe. Not necessarily for us, though.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Well, it's pretty obvious to me that if Hibbert is a max guy, Hickson will be getting paid a lot more than he's worth. Hopefully we can do a sign-and-trade.
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Hibbert was also a great defender when up for his contract, and is a legit 7 foot C, not a PF moonlighting as a C out of need.
What teams with cap space are likely to overpay Hickson, do you think?
 
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