This guy most likely saved lives

[Natebishop3]

Just like I'm not ready to proclaim someone a hero based off the same story.

Most people were running or hiding, this guy was "allegedly" moving towards the danger and trying to help. What exactly is your definition of a hero?

 

[PapaG]

Just like I'm not ready to proclaim someone a hero based off the same story.

Who called him a hero? You shat on his story from the get-go. Seemed odd to me. Whatever.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

You seem to think that killing someone means that somebody is mentally ill.

I don't think you understand what goes into diagnosing somebody as being mentally ill.

I mean, sure, it's crazy to shoot up a mall, but does that mean the person was mentally ill? I don't think it's that simple, but judging from your posts, you aren't interested in diving into deeper root causes.

I don't think I ever answered your question around the first assumption in your quote. So you're just assuming something about me, and then judging me for it.

It's possible I was operating under a false memory that the CTC shooter was mentally ill, and brought that with me into the thread. But I notice you didn't entertain that possibility, instead going with what looks like an assumption along the lines of "this liberal gun control douche is a soft-hearted sucker who doesn't know mental illness" instead.

 

[julius]

There are many mental diseases and/or defects that don't manifest in a person until they are in their early 20's.

a really good friend of mine, growing up, showed no signs of being mentally ill as a kid.

He was the nicest person I've ever met, never got in a fight never hurt anyone, never said a bad thing about ANYONE.

When he was about 23, he had a sudden change in behavior. He was/is schizophrenic, and all the sudden started talking to people who weren't there, could predict the future and said he saw demons who warned him of impending doom.

He didn't exhibit any of those signs when he was a young man, and even looking back through educated eyes (and talking to others) he didn't seem like someone who would see demons or talk to people who weren't there.

Mental illness is a strange thing.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Sure, but you have no way of knowing if he was mentally ill, yet the claim seems to be that it is a fact.

Well I'm sure not going to call someone who shoots up a shopping mall sane.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

dude, its not my fault you are extrapolating on my posts in your mind

Then offer more context. Two sentence posts are basically useless in here.

 

[PapaG]

Most people were running or hiding, this guy was "allegedly" moving towards the danger and trying to help. What exactly is your definition of a hero?

John McClane. He would have stopped the killer. I saw it in a movie once, so that is what a hero is and does.

 

[PapaG]

Well I'm sure not going to call someone who shoots up a shopping mall sane.

Why not? Does every mentally ill person want to shoot up a mall?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Why not? Does every mentally ill person want to shoot up a mall?

Do sane people shoot up malls?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html



This guy had a shot, but chose not to pull the trigger because he was worried he might hit someone else. The thing is, the shooter saw him and took off. If he hadn't been there, perhaps the guy would have been able to unjam his gun and keep shooting.

Either way, I think this guy is a hero.

Who called him a hero? You shat on his story from the get-go. Seemed odd to me. Whatever.

Nate did.

 

[PapaG]

Do sane people shoot up malls?

Some probably do. One just did in Clackamas, for all we know.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Then offer more context. Two sentence posts are basically useless in here.

either unintentional irony or a joke, either way

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Some probably do. One just did in Clackamas, for all we know.

Possible, certainly. Do sane people commit suicide?

 

[Hobbesarable]

Triggers happen for people at different times.

Schizophrenia shows signs in a person during their early 20's. It's one mental illness out of many.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

either unintentional irony or a joke, either way

Totally intentional. Thanks for the

 

[Natebishop3]

Nate did.

Fuck ya, I did.

[video=youtube;7f_HsjpSVaI]

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Possible, certainly. Do sane people commit suicide?

all the time id guess

a moment of weakness is a hell of a drug

 

[PapaG]

Possible, certainly. Do sane people commit suicide?

Again, probably. Unless you're calling being depressed "insane", I guess, which seems to be where you're going with this.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

all the time id guess

a moment of weakness is a hell of a drug

So now that we know sane people go on mass shootings, anyone who owns a gun could become the CTC killer. I move we ban guns to prevent the sane from killing us all.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Fuck ya, I did.

[video=youtube;7f_HsjpSVaI]

I almost posted that.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Again, probably. Unless you're calling being depressed "insane", I guess, which seems to be where you're going with this.

Nah, I had a different ridiculous conclusion to come to.

This thread is beginning to amuse me again... too bad I had to do all the heavy lifting.

 

[PapaG]

Triggers happen for people at different times.

Schizophrenia shows signs in a person during their early 20's. It's one mental illness out of many.

Does every 20 year-old who gets their mental illness "triggered" run out and shoot up a school or a shopping mall, and then kill themselves?

 

[PapaG]

Nah, I had a different ridiculous conclusion to come to.

This thread is beginning to amuse me again... too bad I had to do all the heavy lifting.

I'm amused too, because it's like I'm talking to my 9 year-old. "sane" "mentally ill"

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Does every 20 year-old who gets their mental illness "triggered" run out and shoot up a school or a shopping mall, and then kill themselves?

No, but apparently any sane person could at any moment do just that. We should take their guns away for their own protection. if it isn't about controlling mental illness, the only thing left is to control the guns.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

So now that we know sane people go on mass shootings, anyone who owns a gun could become the CTC killer. I move we ban guns to prevent the sane from killing us all.

i thought we were talking about suicide?

dont need guns for that

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I'm amused too, because it's like I'm talking to my 9 year-old. "sane" "mentally ill"

Thanks for the personal insult. Post reported.

 

[PapaG]

Thanks for the personal insult. Post reported.

Jeebus

 

[3RA1N1AC]

i say everyone melts their guns down into swords

 

[BlazerCaravan]

i thought we were talking about suicide?

dont need guns for that

I had a previous question for PapaG about sane people shooting up malls. Do try to keep up.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Does every 20 year-old who gets their mental illness "triggered" run out and shoot up a school or a shopping mall, and then kill themselves?

No. Nor did I say that.