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I wouldn't call it an epic disaster.

I'm not sure it was even a bad offseason, it was predictable and expected after the Clippers trade. That was the epic disaster.

The redeeming part of this summer was drafting Sharpe.
 
Tince said:
Are you saying the hard cap prevents meaningful trades from happening after July 2nd?

There are examples of significant player movement around the league post July 2nd since the hard cap too. I'm guessing you don't need me to provide those examples.

I agree with you Trader Bob made big moves. I'm not sure we have enough data on Cronin to say how much of a "big move" guy he is. We know he's made bigger moves in the first 6 months of his tenure than the previous GM did in 8 years.
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Did those other examples have teams involved who had larger contracts to trade? Because we really don’t.
 
Per ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski The Portland Trailblazers are trading Center Jusuf Nurkic and a future 1st round pick to The Milwaukie Bucks for a package highlighted by Guard Pat Connaughton.
 
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I think they have some more things to look at. I just wonder what this team will look like in Feb around the trade deadline.
I honestly think you have to put the team together and give it some run as it sits. We know what Damian Lillard brings. We know what Simons brings as well as Nurk. They need Little to stay healthy but that of course is one of the questions here?
Hart can bring some game and we know what Grant can bring but we all need to see how he will fit in here? Eubanks can fit nicely as a backup but if Nurk goes down we will be saying many of the same things we said over the last 4 years. So you have to also expect Sharp will get some run. I cannot see him in a starting role but you got to figure he will see 10-15 mins a game eventually? Gary Payton II seems like he is a lock for 20-25 mins a game.
Now you got Watford, Winslow and Brown

So that's 12 players and the team is hard capped. Yes they can get some filler bench/practice players but you won't see them playing like any year. You give this a run and see what you got and what you need comprised with what deals you can make at the trade deadline. It's not a bad team and IMO should be able to get into the playoffs. Probably a first round out but they should be able to get in with Lillard, Grant, Nurk, Simons, Hart/Payton/Little/Sharp/Watford/Winslow

Starting to look to me like they need to give them some run and hope for a healthy year.
 
oldmangrouch said:
How many years have we been living with this as our mantra?
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since June 6, 1977...so 45 years, 3 weeks, 6 days....16,455 days....394,200 hours

so for chrissakes, after more than 394,000 hours you can wait a few thousand more. Give it till 400,000 hours
 
Natebishop3 said:
Did those other examples have teams involved who had larger contracts to trade? Because we really don’t.
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July 31, 2013 - Khris Middleton was traded making $500k a year.

There are tons of examples. None of them with be exactly like Portlands situation today.

I'll keep coming back to my point. Teams can and have made significant impact moves outside of the July 1st-2nd window which is why I believe coming to grand conclusions 30 hours into free agency is always going to be premature. This doesn't mean I'm predicting Portland will make significant moves.

If you think NBA teams can only make significant roster changes in a 30 hour window each year, then I guess we disagree.
 
Labinot41 said:
so Cronin would have to completely reshape the roster and get some cap flexibility (again) in order to make a move for KD?
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or renege on the Payton deal

I think people are underestimating how big a monkey-wrench it is that Portland is hard-capped after the Payton deal. At least it's a giant monkey-wrench in our trade fantasies around here. It may not be as big a monkey-wrench in what's realistic
 
wizenheimer said:
or renege on the Payton deal

I think people are underestimating how big a monkey-wrench it is that Portland is hard-capped after the Payton deal. At least it's a giant monkey-wrench in our trade fantasies around here. It may not be as big a monkey-wrench in what's realistic
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Yeah, I think it's only a monkey wrench for fantasy trades, not reality.
 
Mediocre Man said:
The HCP looks pretty good in shorts

Dude, the HCP looked SO good at my pool party

see the difference?

The top one is bullshit

While the second is total bullshit. Like no fucking way that can be the case
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I like the Fritz Perls distinction: chickenshit; bullshit; elephantshit.
 
Tince said:
July 31, 2013 - Khris Middleton was traded making $500k a year.

There are tons of examples. None of them with be exactly like Portlands situation today.

I'll keep coming back to my point. Teams can and have made significant impact moves outside of the July 1st-2nd window which is why I believe coming to grand conclusions 30 hours into free agency is always going to be premature. This doesn't mean I'm predicting Portland will make significant moves.

If you think NBA teams can only make significant roster changes in a 30 hour window each year, then I guess we disagree.
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We don’t need 500k second year Khris Middleton. We need 20ppg Khris Middleton. That would be an impact move and that’s the kind of move we can’t make right now.
 
tykendo said:
This thread is an EPIC FAIL!
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Good thing this thread will live on for years to come.
Hopefully in the next 3 years you’ll be able to say, “Look Predator was wrong!” and I will gladly have to eat my shorts.

We will see.
 
This thread definitely has the potential to be the "harrison fucking barnes" of it's time.
 
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wizenheimer said:
or renege on the Payton deal

I think people are underestimating how big a monkey-wrench it is that Portland is hard-capped after the Payton deal. At least it's a giant monkey-wrench in our trade fantasies around here. It may not be as big a monkey-wrench in what's realistic
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It doesn't have to be a total renege...

Joe could still pay the Tax-MLE of ~$6.5M instead of the ~$9M negotiated
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
It doesn't have to be a total renege...

Joe could still pay the Tax-MLE of ~$6.5M instead of the ~$9M negotiated
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And one more thing.

Dame & GPII have the same agent (Aaron Goodwin). In theory, Dame could offer to pay the agent fees (assuming 12% is ~$1M) -> meaning GPII would only be out ~$1.5M in the 'renege' option.

Since the agreement with the agent is outside of the Blazers operations & influence - it should be fine
 
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